Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1360

People tend to forget Melee isn't that strong. I suppose stopping Starcraft to win the 128 division and getting rallied a lot in 2015 hid the fact well.

HaRRicH posted...

Biggest problem with the Years contest is it ignored system releases.

yep the SNES being part of 1991 was the biggest reason I took it over 1994 and it never showed up in any match pics augh

pretty sure I could've finished on the final leaderboard if that match comes through for me and 1997 doesn't get jobbed in an epic fashion the likes of which we've rarely seen

Rivaly was good solely because Bartz/Gilgamesh got in and managed to actually win a match

The Mana Sword posted...

Rivaly was good solely because Bartz/Gilagmesh got in and managed to actually win a match

and Cecil/Golbez lost to Luigi/Waluigi lawl

LeonhartFour posted...

My main memory of Rivals other than the Trainers was yoblazer getting eliminated from the Guru on literally the second day of the contest because he took Jill/Nemesis over Kirby/Meta Knight!

what a chalky bracket

I think I predicted that's exactly what would happen during the first episode of the podcast, too (that I originally had Kirby, would fanboy switch to Jill at the last moment, and it would cost me everything). And I still wound up on the top 50!

I guess Trainers vs Ryu/Ken was hyped at the start, but we could see the writing on the wall by the time we got the actual match. That era was the height of Pokefear.

yeah I believed in Ryu/Ken and Sub-Zero/Scorpion pretty hard because fighting games are ALL about rivalries

seeing them get utterly dismantled by the Trainers was sad

My favorite match was actually Scorpion/Sub-Zero utterly destroying Leon/Ada.

But to each their own, I guess.

Advokaiser posted...

My favorite match was actually Scorpion/Sub-Zero utterly destroying Leon/Ada.

But to each their own, I guess.

Mine too, maybe. It proved that the idea of rivalries really was being considered. Ryu/Ken also looked stronger than the sum of their parts... until they hit Pokemon.

I'm going to say something slightly controversial but in my mind the Smash games are like the Mario Kart games.

• Your first one will always nostalgically be your favorite.
• The newest one is actually the best one because the improvements have been incremental over time.

As your average, casual GFaqs voter, it's Ultimate > Melee no question. Same way it's MK8 > any other MK game.

(I remember feeling damn confident in Brawl > Melee back during whatever contest that was for exactly this reason.)

The people clinging onto Melee are the same ones who cling on to MK64 or, god forbid, the original SMK.

It's not that the older games in the series are without merit. Whether you're talking Smash or Mario Kart there are definitely some unique, fun things about each installment. But the average person doesn't really give a s*** about that. Smash is the newest Smash and Mario Kart is the newest Mario Kart.

I think people are still in the honeymoon phase with Ultimate. Remember how well Brawl did after it had come out? I think Ultimate would beat Melee now, but not in a couple years.

I feel like a lot of us started with the original Smash and it's possibly the weakest one.

Original Smash commercial is OP though.

Can confirm, started with Smash 64. But I still know it's the worst game in the series and it's my least favourite.

Same with Pokémon Blue!

FFDragon posted...

Original Smash commercial is OP though.

best video game advertisement for next contest imhotbqh

Seanchan posted...

* The newest one is actually the best one because the improvements have been incremental over time.

I'll agree with this part.

I've enjoyed each iteration of Smash more than the previous one.

I did not enjoy Smash 3DS at all but I never played Smash Wii U

LeonhartFour posted...

I did not enjoy Smash 3DS at all but I never played Smash Wii U

Smash 3DS was a mistake (the only reason I'd play it was for Smash Run, which, while an inferior City Trial, is still a decent experience that can be fun with gimmicky stat set-ups like air fighter Mac or super-floaty Jigglypuff) and the rest of the fanbase knows this!

FFDragon posted...

Original Smash commercial is OP though.

Cannot be denied.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K783SDTBKmg (click to expand) 

PrinceOfKoopas posted...

Smash 3DS was a mistake (the only reason I'd play it was for Smash Run, which, while an inferior City Trial, is still a decent experience that can be fun with gimmicky stat set-ups like air fighter Mac or super-floaty Jigglypuff) and the rest of the fanbase knows this!

Smash 3DS existed because it was a platform people at least owned. Wii U was the better experience, but it was ultimately hampered by the fact that it was on the Wii U.

Ultimate > SSB43DS = SSBM > Brawl > original

(just talking about preferences...used to go Brawl > Melee but it was ultimately a more replaceable game than Melee)

I feel like Melee was plenty replaceable for a lot of people! I know I didn't go back to it after Brawl!

honestly Melee, Brawl, and Ultimate are pretty interchangeable for me because I have attachments to them for different but valid reasons that the others don't have

Ultimate would beat Melee but is indirectly weaker.

I enjoyed watching the GT and Watchmojo countdowns of the best years in gaming but basing a whole contest around that was dumb.

As for Smash, I seriously swear I played Brawl so much for a year after it came out, and then barely played it again afterwards. I played a lot of Melee in late 2010 just for the heck of it (it was because I had to rely on a friend to unlock all characters and stages and finish every event match, so I wanted to be able to do all that myself), but since then I have had a hard time getting into Smash period.

The best part of Smash for me was introducing me to all those classic Nintendo games which I eventually played and became big favorites of mine.

Literally, the best part of Years was getting to do match pictures of games I normally wouldn't get the chance to do, but even that managed to be controversial because of what happened to 1997.

I don't really think most people's first Smash game was the original, at least not here. Melee was the majority of people's introduction to Smash, followed by Brawl (although obviously Brawl here wasn't anyone's first experience with the series, so maybe the original falls in line here).

LeonhartFour posted...

best video game advertisement for next contest imhotbqh

Man, the League of Legends ads on YouTube are GOAT material, don't do this to us!

LinkMarioSamus posted...

I enjoyed watching the GT and Watchmojo countdowns of the best years in gaming but basing a whole contest around that was dumb.

The idea is not bad at all, imo. A well-managed Years, as well as having it as a side-contest or extra after a big one, would've been a great idea.

Many inconveniences dragged down its true potential, that's all.

Like, we joke all the time about wanting a Best Quote contest but really, who would actually be happy if something as wacky as that actually happened? It's like wanting Master Chief in Smash or something.

I have a hard time believing a fighting game with the roster size of a MOBA would be my favorite tbh.

lordjers posted...

I have a hard time believing a fighting game with the roster size of a MOBA would be my favorite tbh.

You haven't seen Capcom's crossovers, have you?

_SecretSquirrel posted...

Bingo. Boil the site's base even further, and you have that little sitewide ranking where all the big social boards got together and ranked their games, and CT was number one, suggesting it was the most popular game across the day to day user base. That was my inclination that Chrono Trigger was on the rise, and that's why I took it the final four that year, and it's why I will always be salty for Melee ruining everything for me.

Chrono Trigger has a vote ceiling? That's a shocker.

Best quote ever has been mentioned for years. Time to do it!

"Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit" to the finals please.

Without the context, quotes wouldn't mean much to people who haven't played the game.

Advokaiser posted...

You haven't seen Capcom's crossovers, have you?

Those can be big too, but do they exceed SSBU's?

Capcom crossovers are "bigger" in the sense that they can pull in Marvel characters and Marvel is the biggest thing going right now.

lordjers posted...

Without the context, quotes wouldn't mean much to people who haven't played the game.

“I cannot fall... knowing that you would fall with me.” 😢

Greatest quote in Castlevania's history. 😭👌🏻

Advokaiser posted...

“I cannot fall... knowing that you would fall with me.” 😢

Greatest quote in Castlevania's history. 😭👌🏻

It really comes down to the night curse vs. the pile of secrets IMO.

Also something strange I noticed. Up until the Semifinals Skyrim had constantly higher prediction rate than Witcher 3 in all rounds. BUT at the semifinals Witcher 3 finally surpassed Skyrim in winning predictions. So many people picked Dark Souls to reach the semifinals?

lordjers posted...

It really comes down to the night curse vs. the pile of secrets IMO.

Oh, in terms of recognizability and popularity, absolutely.

In terms of emotional impact and personal preference, though, that one's severely underrated.

That's why a quote without context doesn't have any impact at all.

And that's why Best Quote in Gaming is a bad idea!

Safer_777 posted...

Also something strange I noticed. Up until the Semifinals Skyrim had constantly higher prediction rate than Witcher 3 in all rounds. BUT at the semifinals Witcher 3 finally surpassed Skyrim in winning predictions. So many people picked Dark Souls to reach the semifinals?

That's a safe assumption. Look at all the whining topics that Zen has archived, and you can see there were some lofty expectations for Dark Souls.

Come to think of it, a roster of 40 would already be MOBA size, as I believe that's what League of Legends started with.

Yeah I still can't believe how strong is Dark Souls actually.

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https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/images/contest/gotd-r6/sk-_SecretSquirrel.png (ALLEN, YOU ABSOLUTE MADMAN)
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@HaRRicH Do you still have the list of indie games by performance?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/8039-semifinals-zelda-breath-of-the-wild-vs-super-smash-bros
Breath of the Wild vs. Smash Ultimate
67.79 - 32.21 (currently)

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6953-best-of-2017-game-of-the-year
Breath of the Wild vs. Persona 5
66.10 - 33.90

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6946-best-of-2017-switch
Breath of the Wild vs. Mario Odyssey
67.12 - 32.88

BotW dropping. maybe a pre rally happening for either skyrim or witcher?

KamikazePotato posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/8039-semifinals-zelda-breath-of-the-wild-vs-super-smash-bros
Breath of the Wild vs. Smash Ultimate
67.79 - 32.21 (currently)

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6953-best-of-2017-game-of-the-year
Breath of the Wild vs. Persona 5
66.10 - 33.90

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6946-best-of-2017-switch
Breath of the Wild vs. Mario Odyssey
67.12 - 32.88

So you're saying a floor of 66% of the site will vote for BotW over everything (except OoT)?

adamko posted...

BotW dropping. maybe a pre rally happening for either skyrim or witcher?

I'd expect pre-rally traffic to benefit the game closer in gameplay style to Skyrim/Witcher.

Has the arrow to the knee meme come back around to being funny again? Or will people antivote it out of instinct?

Arrow to the Knee Skyrim to be doubled by Witcher calling it now.