Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1355

Nostalgia? I mean come on. This is a series that keeps evolving but the core remains the same. You can't say for example that Mario Kart 1 is the best when ALL Mario Kart games that have come after keep adding stuff. I mean really.

MechanicalWall posted...

The game already underwent serious hype backlash by the time of the 2015 contest.

Personally I think it lost because there's a lesser known religious commandment that declares that GTA is never EVER allowed to win a debatable match. It's a phenomenon interwoven with the cosmos itself.

Yeah but it was still very new then, so such an impact on its contest strength was fairly minimal compared to now.

I love all the contradictory hoops BT jumps through thinking he's making brilliant points because he's more perceptive of gaming trends than all of us while picking Overwatch to beat Xenoblade and picking The Witness to beat anything.

More seriously, their stats in 2015 and their actual 2020 matches were close enough where it's pretty simple for me. I think it's just a case of GTAV dropping a bit because interest waned over time, while RDR and P4 got boosted by their sequels bringing them back into the larger gaming conversation.

P4 especially, seeing as P5 might very well be the strongest non-Square JRPG on the site now.

I would not think about RBY > Persona 5 for even a second.

Ok + Pokemon

I would not take Persona 5 over RBY in the persona 5 subreddit.

Yeah, then it's a contender for sure.

The most popular JRPG is Ocarina of Time, obviously.

Seriously though, Persona 5 is probably the most popular JRPG made in the last 15 years.

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

This is yet another case of you people living in a strange echo chamber. Melee is "massive" amongst a small group of competitive Smash players that represent maybe 2% of the entire Smash playerbase. The other 98% moved on when Brawl came out.

This is simply not true.

Safer_777 posted...

Nostalgia? I mean come on. This is a series that keeps evolving but the core remains the same. You can't say for example that Mario Kart 1 is the best when ALL Mario Kart games that have come after keep adding stuff. I mean really.

THANK YOU! Super Mario Kart is the worst Mario Kart, I've been saying it forever.

And, yes, even Super Circuit is better.

Leonhart4 posted...

Seriously though, Persona 5 is probably the most popular JRPG made in the last 15 years.

FFVII Remake and Kingdom Hearts II would easily beat P5 in terms of popularity. Other than that the only thing that jumps to mind is Xenoblade.

plasmabeam posted...

THANK YOU! Super Mario Kart is the worst Mario Kart, I've been saying it forever.

And, yes, even Super Circuit is better.

Well Super Circuit does have all of the SMK courses.

Still the difficulties to have a multiplayer experience is hard to overlook.

Both are bottom three along with Mario Kart Tour.

Oh right, KH2 is 2006. FFVIIR is an interesting case. We don't really know what the site thinks of it yet, but it could be strong.

FFXII is 2006 too

does this site like ffxii

I like ffxii

Persona 5 would beat FFXII

It's about to beat the sequel to the game that 60/40'd FFXII in the first GotD!

Sharinnegan posted...

the competitive scene has adopted ultimate as the main game btw (of course the recent situation pretty much put the scene on ice for a while...)

The scene has basically been split into two since the release of Brawl. There isn't really a "main" game, everyone that plays Melee kept playing Melee while trying Ultimate on the side and Ultimate mainly had the Smash 4 base + new people. A good number of Melee people tried Ultimate for its first year but their main competitive game is still Melee, that includes people like Leffen and Plup who streamed the hell out of Ultimate because it brought viewers to their channel, they still put a lot more effort into practicing Melee.

Ultimate brought new players due to its popularity (not like, with the competitive scene specifically necessarily, just like with people in general due to its very high sales numbers) which is why it's often streamed after Melee, since it brings in more viewers. But I wouldn't necessarily say the community is less focused on Melee than before.

no i mean, ultimate is the main smash game. its the main event at evo and smash based majors

before, as far as im aware, it was melee.

The Melee scene has some great personalities. Other than Zero, who doesn't even play anymore, I couldn't name you a single competitive Smash player who doesn't play Melee, but I guess that's on me for not following any of the new games.

Sharinnegan posted...

no i mean, ultimate is the main smash game. its the main event at evo and smash based majors

before, as far as im aware, it was melee.

Yeah but this isn't because Melee fell off. It's more like "hey Evo got rid of Melee despite it being one of the most popular games there, I guess now we're forced to have Ultimate as the main Smash game".

Smash 4 and Melee went back and forth for a while. Before the Bayopocalypse got in full swing it was Melee winning in viewership and Smash 4 winning in tournament turnout. Ultimate has led Melee in both for the entirety of its life.

plasmabeam posted...

And, yes, even Super Circuit is better.

Oof.

I do wonder if FF 7 R had was eligible in this contest would it be the 2nd strongest game?

I'd take FF7R over everything but BotW easily.

I think it would beat BotW personally, it's a pretty good game

Super Circuit having the SMK tracks doesn't make it better than SMK. It's not simply a matter of "more content = better."

Sharinnegan posted...

no i mean, ultimate is the main smash game. its the main event at evo and smash based majors

before, as far as im aware, it was melee.

I mean it does hold the main timeslot but I'm not sure how important this is

IIRC there were times where this might have actually benefited Melee because the tournament ran late so Ultimate was on at a time that was too late for most East Coast peeps to watch and Melee wasn't

But yeah you're right

how would P5 do against FF8/9/X

@White_Turtle I do agree. I mean people were asking for a FF 7 remake since like 2006.

Leonhart4 posted...

Super Circuit having the SMK tracks doesn't make it better than SMK. It's not simply a matter of "more content = better."

The Super Circuit tracks were better too, SMK tracks have not aged well. The only reason I prefer SMK over SC is because of the horrible multiplayer and I'd rather play the series with others.

GranzonEx posted...

how would P5 do against FF8/9/X

It would lose to all three probably, but I'd entertain its chances against VIII

charmander6000 posted...

The Super Circuit tracks were better too, SMK tracks have not aged well. The only reason I prefer SMK over SC is because of the horrible multiplayer and I'd rather play the series with others.

Well yeah, it's the same reason I rank DS low. Mario Kart is a multiplayer experience for me.

(And MKDS low key doesn't have great original tracks)

i think Persona 5 extrapolated through Civ 5 from 2015 is around FFVIII's level. (from P5 > Black Flag > Civ 5)

but extrapolating from fodder isnt usually very reliable. plus the 2015 stats might be all messed up due to melee and undertale raiding the contest.

Leonhart4 posted...

The most popular JRPG is Ocarina of Time, obviously.

Seriously though, Persona 5 is probably the most popular JRPG made in the last 15 years.

...Tales of Symphonia?

Advokaiser posted...

...Tales of Symphonia?

Would get absolutely whacked by P5. Would probably get beat by P4 at this rate as well

No way Persona 5 is the most popular JRPG. Pretty sure FF 7 remake has to be that. Unless you don't count this year?

Advokaiser posted...

...Tales of Symphonia?

Is more than 15 years old.

Even then it technically lost to Thousand-Year Door in 2015 - that game came out a year later.

Persona 5 > ToS > Persona 4 in contest strength

@MechanicalWall There was nothing "most creatively bankrupt" in games like Super Mario 3D World, Super Mario Maker, Yoshi's Woolly World, Pokken Tournament, Splatoon and several others. Heck, Smash 4 had better extra modes and features than Smash Ultimate did, at least at launch. The Wii U is criminally underrated.

LeonhartFour posted...

Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft – 18.53%
Night in the Woods – 18.04%

Well, what do you know? Hearthstone will not be getting in last in the X-Stats after all! This isn't gonna please a certain someone...

Ultimate competitive is way bigger than melee right now.

Having an easy to access online mode helps (even if it sucks)

BTW, I don't think FFVII would be that strong here.

I mean, it's definitely not as divisive as FFXIII and XV were, but it's still very divisive.

Edit: Well, maybe "not quite" would be a more appropriate term.

Advokaiser posted...

BTW, I don't think FFVII would be that strong here.

I mean, it's definitely not as divisive as FFXIII and XV were, but it's still very divisive.

Edit: Well, maybe "not quite" would be a more appropriate term.

Eh, the reception has been notably more positive than XIII or XV. It'll be a far cry from the original, of course, but it'll be pretty good.

The weird thing is that we'll probably have FF7 Remake 2 out by the time we get another Games contest, and having two FF7 Remakes in the same contest might do interesting things for its strength (especially if original FF7 is in there too...).

We might have BotW2 by then too!

Mac Arrowny posted...

The weird thing is that we'll probably have FF7 Remake 2 out by the time we get another Games contest, and having two FF7 Remakes in the same contest might do interesting things for its strength (especially if original FF7 is in there too...).

I always assumed they would release the subsequent parts as DLC/expansions to the original game?

Nintendogs posted...

@MechanicalWall There was nothing "most creatively bankrupt" in games like Super Mario 3D World, Super Mario Maker, Yoshi's Woolly World, Pokken Tournament, Splatoon and several others.

There's like one game here that doesn't reinforce my point.

KamikazePotato posted...

Persona 5 > ToS > Persona 4 in contest strength

Symphonia and P4 were almost equal in 2015 x-stats, and P4 seems to have improved while ToS has had no reason to.

I would absolutely take P4 if they were to face off today

FF7 part 2 definitely wont be dlc.

i'd say its highly unlikely the next part will even run in current gen systems.

Symphonia's reason to get stronger is just more nostalgia, just like every old game.

davidponte posted...

Yeah but this isn't because Melee fell off. It's more like "hey Evo got rid of Melee despite it being one of the most popular games there, I guess now we're forced to have Ultimate as the main Smash game".

It wasn't by force. Ultimate just grew larger.

I wonder when will exactly be the time when Brawl reaches nostalgia-strength status, since it was actually the first Smash game for a huge amount of people.

Here? Probably never because that's such a small percentage of the site.