Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1353

@plasmabeam True that. I still use text guides EXCEPT if it is something that I really need to see, like for example where to exactly position your characters. Otherwise it is texts.

Lightning Strikes posted...

I don’t think MK8 needs to look weaker than MGSV. MK8 beat Uncharted 4 by more than 2015 MGSV would beat Uncharted 2 - you can make an argument that UC2 beats UC4, but not by that much plus however much MGSV has fallen by. If Skyrim breaks 60% it may well be okay against Dark Souls.

I've never been that worried about it losing to Dark Souls. Witcher 3 has always been the big threat to me.

i dont really believe Skyrim is in contention for beating Witcher 3 anymore. even if its about as strong indirectly (which seems unlikely) witcher probably just SFFs it.

Lightning Strikes posted...

you can make an argument that UC2 beats UC4,

I would like to make that argument yes

UC2 is both considered the unanimous best entry in that series on top of UC4 also kinda having to follow up the Last of Us, and the result was an Uncharted game that took itself way too seriously and I remember a lot of ppl noticing this at the time. UC2 also has a lot of 'impact' points going for it whereas UC4 has none

Point being I wouldn't be surprised if UC4 is accpreciably weaker than UC2

It's not considered the best unanimously, that's for sure. It might be the slight favorite, but I'm not even sure it'd be considered the best everywhere.

And a lot more probably played the fourth. I don't think there's a big difference.

I prefer Uncharted 3 but the majority of fans seem to like Uncharted 2 the most

Sharinnegan posted...

i mean..if it beats Dark Souls there really isnt much left for it to beat

right now it seems like the only games above dark souls in the bracket are BoTW and Witcher 3 (and possibly Skyrim, as said)

Underestimating HGSS lmao

Oh, UC2 would definitely be the strongest of the four and probably by a decent margin.

HGSS isn't even getting past NieR: Automata.

Uncharted 4 came a little too late for the series. The boom in popularity was centered around 2.

_SecretSquirrel posted...

and the only match that had a chance of flipping was the 8/9 between Rocket League and DBZ.

The only reason I'm not getting this division perfect too!

pjbasis posted...

Uncharted 4 came a little too late for the series. The boom in popularity was centered around 2.

I mean, it's still by far the best-selling Uncharted game, so I'm not sure about too late.

Mac Arrowny posted...

I mean, it's still by far the best-selling Uncharted game, so I'm not sure about too late.

Well, it was bundled with the PS4 for a long time, so that didn't hurt!

2 is definitely the favorite among the hardcore fanbase though.

Leonhart4 posted...

Well, it was bundled with the PS4 for a long time, so that didn't hurt!

And the previous UC games were bundled with the PS3!

PS4 has outsold the PS3 by a lot, too!

Since when have the sales mattered for contest strength

Yeah I wasn't talking sales at all?

I'm sure dkc3 sold boatloads but that came late too...

Hate to say it, but you are right.

the last of us 2 is leaking lol

It's so strange to me that the board is treating Nier/Pokemon as some sort of foregone conclusion for Pokemon. Given everything we've seen this year, and the obvious parallels to GSC in the last GotD, you'd think this match would have more of a split on the board

HGSS would win no problem if SwSh didn't piss off the fanbase

i think its because some people are extrapolating through hearthstone which puts Nier at around Suikoden 2 level (so fodder basically)

pretty sure that's nonsense though. there's no way this Hearthstone is nearly as weak as 2015 HS which was literally one of the weakest things we've ever seen in a contest.

I don't trust post-GSC Pokemon. Yes HGSS is technically GSC, but it's still post-GSC Pokemon. I don't buy the hardcore fanbase liking it giving it strength because how many people voting here are part of the hardcore Pokemon fanbase? Not many I'd guess.

It depends on how strong you think Celeste is. If you think it's Meat Boy level, then 73% is decent but not great. If you think it's Shovel Knight level, then Automata shouldn't pose much of a problem

Celeste is probably closer to Meat Boy than Shovel Knight unfortunately

Just for the record, Persona 5 would get over 77% on Super Meat Boy, so HG/SS would still be strong, but nowhere near the original G/S/C, which means Automata can beat it.

I wish I could feel as comfortable picking an upstart like Nier or a years-later remake like HG/SS as others seem to

I really want to believe in HGSS. It has everything going for it:

-Not Gen 1 so no 'genwunner' bashing
-Remake of Gen 2, so still on the fringes of nostalgia
-Gen 4 engine, which is enjoyed competitively compared to other gens
-Actually pretty decent as an RPG at times

Automata's seemed like the most textbook midcarder; decent numbers showing off strength, but nothing overwhelming. HGSS has every intangible to overcome it (and feels like the only Pokemon game that would be safe to rally without "lol this gen" ).

I don't trust genwunners to be objective about this.

I also doubt more than 1% of this site knows what a "gen 4 engine" is.

gen 4 engine factor

hate too not cast my vote objectively in a poll on game frequently asked questions dot commercial

I'd be careful about rally factor, because I can see NieR countering with, "how is a game from 2000 in a 2010s Game of the Decade poll?"

Also, 2B has that ultra-potential for hentai rallies.

Kamekguy posted...

-Not Gen 1 so no 'genwunner' bashing
-Remake of Gen 2, so still on the fringes of nostalgia
-Gen 4 engine, which is enjoyed competitively compared to other gens
-Actually pretty decent as an RPG at times

None of these things matter except the second. HGSS will be good but not as good as GSC. Its about figuring out how much weaker it is as opposed to how strong it will be.

Kamekguy posted...

I really want to believe in HGSS. It has everything going for it:

-Not Gen 1 so no 'genwunner' bashing
-Remake of Gen 2, so still on the fringes of nostalgia
-Gen 4 engine, which is enjoyed competitively compared to other gens
-Actually pretty decent as an RPG at times

Automata's seemed like the most textbook midcarder; decent numbers showing off strength, but nothing overwhelming. HGSS has every intangible to overcome it (and feels like the only Pokemon game that would be safe to rally without "lol this gen" ).

Genwunner bashing is the last thing I'd worry about on a boomer site like GameFAQs. Gen 1 is way stronger than all the other gens.

Was more thinking of it in terms of the idea of "Pokemon in a close match Vs another game"; I get that its natural, Gamefaqs-only strength is probably around a midcard level. Since I recall Gen 1 being "outdated" being a major sticking point as to its downfall against Undertale? Could be mistaken, I just see HGSS as more immune to both modern Pokemon criticism and "lolearlygens" than any other Pokemon entrant would be.

I love "actually pretty decent at times" being listed as a strength

Nier has that going against it too

Kamekguy posted...

Was more thinking of it in terms of the idea of "Pokemon in a close match Vs another game"; I get that its natural, Gamefaqs-only strength is probably around a midcard level. Since I recall Gen 1 being "outdated" being a major sticking point as to its downfall against Undertale? Could be mistaken, I just see HGSS as more immune to both modern Pokemon criticism and "lolearlygens" than any other Pokemon entrant would be.

That was a specific situation that I would argue only applied to how effective it could rally against the most effective rally we've ever seen in a Games contest. If anything, that was something overblown by people of the Pokemon subreddit who really just didn't want to participate at all.

_SecretSquirrel posted...

Also, 2B has that ultra-potential for hentai rallies.

If this is a close match I am rallying every hentai subreddit known to man. Not a single degenerate, perverted stone will be left unturned. I will gaze into the abyss, and when it stares back, I'll tentatively hold out a link to gamefaqs.gamespot.com. 2B's milkshake will bring all the boys to the yard, and all they need to vote for Nier is one hand.

_SecretSquirrel posted...

countering with, "how is a game from 2000 in a 2010s Game of the Decade poll?"

You know, out of all the BB rallies, RE2 never really got hammered for that. I don't think the remake antifactor is really a thing

Nobody complained about it for P4G either, but I imagine most of the people being rallied didn't know the circumstances.

Don't forget MK8 has Link as a DLC character. It's gonna win tonight boys.

2B will ride the hentai rallies to victory. Anyone voting for pokemon will be on the FBI watch list.

Sharinnegan posted...

there's no way this Hearthstone is nearly as weak as 2015 HS which was literally one of the weakest things we've ever seen in a contest.

Did you see how badly Ocarina was antivoted in literally every single one of its other matches that year? I think it's perfectly plausible that a Hearthstone that's likely weaker than 2015 against the same foe, but benefited from apathy votes against Divinity, is no stronger than a Hearthstone that got to benefit from ~5% of voters automatically picking against Ocarina regardless of its opponent.

Also, Suikoden II's 2015 strength was right around Okami and Shadow of the Colossus's 2009 strength, which both should be great comparisons for 2020 Nier Automata.

Hearthstone isn't finishing dead last in the X-Stats and it won't be particularly close to it either. This isn't a weaker than 2015 version.

Nier beating pokemon would be amazing. Like it would be one of the greatest results ever in contest history

Leonhart4 posted...

Hearthstone isn't finishing dead last in the X-Stats and it won't be particularly close to it either.

Dead last in this contest's X-Stats is an altogether greater degree of weakness than dead last in 2015's X-Stats, though. Hearthstone not being in contention for dead last this time around doesn't mean it isn't weaker than it was in 2015.

MetalmindStats posted...

Dead last in this contest's X-Stats is an altogether greater degree of weakness than dead last in 2015's X-Stats, though. Hearthstone not being in contention for dead last this time around doesn't mean it isn't weaker than it was in 2015.

It's not going to be close to the same raw number either unless you believe OoT would obliterate BotW even before SFF. It's not weaker.

Why would Hearthstone be any stronger than it was in 2015? I feel like we're seeing more games be weaker than they were in 2015 than stronger, and there's a good deal of Blizzard antipathy going around now. I feel like Hearthstone would be weaker now than then, just like, say, Starcraft 2.