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i've explained my reasoning in another topic long ago and i stand by it Hearthstone was too new in 2015. with this site's userbase, a lot of voters (most even, arguably) likely didnt even know what the hell a "hearthstone" was "hated but universally acknowledged blizzard card game" is still gonna be much stronger than "what on earth is this?" |
I wouldn't think Pokemon does too bad with hentai rallies >_> Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to Advokaiser, the winner of the Character Battle X guru contest. |
Hearthstone
probably gets a much greater share of apathy votes against Divinity
than against OoT. Even if you haven't played either game, Ocarina is
obviously more deserving of the "Best. Game. Ever." title than
Hearthstone. The choice isn't so easy with D:OS2 if you haven't played
either game. Advokaiser is the man. Congrats! |
ctesjbuvf posted... I wouldn't think Pokemon does too bad with hentai rallies >_>Do we really want to add "furry rallies" to the list of dubious rally sources? Agent Triple Zero at your service! This line reserved for the true greatone, the 2020 Guru contest winner. |
Even
without that, Pokémon is great enough a franchise that I'm sure
basically every female character is worshiped on hentai sites. Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to Advokaiser, the winner of the Character Battle X guru contest. |
well...Pokemon did recently get an extremely popular hentai character (Bea). |
Also,
I'm doubting how much it can help for a game tbh. Like, do hentai
subforums care about NieR as much as 2B? I can be convinced otherwise,
but wouldn't be certain. Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to Advokaiser, the winner of the Character Battle X guru contest. |
ctesjbuvf posted... Also, I'm doubting how much it can help for a game tbh. Like, do hentai subforums care about NieR as much as 2B? I can be convinced otherwise, but wouldn't be certain. I am absolutely certain that Yoko Taro would not rally Automata unless 2B's ass took up at least 60% of Automata's pic, so this may be true. Mario Vs Cloud 2002: A Video Retrospective - https://youtu.be/1dx4t6H_K9Y Full Channel Available Here!: https://www.youtube.com/c/designingfor |
Ranticoot posted... I don't trust post-GSC Pokemon. Yes HGSS is technically GSC, but it's still post-GSC Pokemon. I don't buy the hardcore fanbase liking it giving it strength because how many people voting here are part of the hardcore Pokemon fanbase? Not many I'd guess. The strength HG/SS has lies on a few key factors: 1._The field it's up against is inherently weaker than the previous GotD's field. I mean, I wouldn't take HG/SS too far into the previous GotD, but people need to dissociate Gens 1 & 2 from the later games in the series. Gens 1 & 2 completely overshadow the rest of the series' strength, both in terms of making the rest of the games seem like jokes in comparison, and making people completely underestimate them because of it. 2._It's the holy grail of Pokémon. There hasn't been a game in the series as universally acclaimed by both casuals and hardcore fans alike as HG/SS. 3._It's the only Pokémon game in the bracket, which means everyone's going to make sure the game gets the respect many people claim it deserves. It's an honor being part of Board 8's community. |
BucsLegendGronk posted... HGSS would win no problem if SwSh didn't piss off the fanbase People who disliked Sword/Shield seemed to rally around HGSS. They like to bring up HGSS as an example of what a good Pokemon game should look like. I wouldn't expect ill will towards Sword/Shield to carry over to HGSS. Link isn't the only one who kicks ass. Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Contest! |
Yeah I don't think Dexit hate would carry over to HGSS either. Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to Advokaiser, the winner of the Character Battle X guru contest. |
Ranticoot posted... I don't trust post-GSC Pokemon. Yes HGSS is technically GSC, but it's still post-GSC Pokemon. I don't buy the hardcore fanbase liking it giving it strength because how many people voting here are part of the hardcore Pokemon fanbase? Not many I'd guess. HGSS is a confusing entrant to solve here because we're going to be dealing with 3 different types of Pokemon fans in this match. Here's the 3 groups of Pokemon fans: The hardcore fans - They'll play every mainline Pokemon game out there. Within the hardcore fanbase, HGSS would be seen as a better GSC, so it would be stronger than GSC among the hardcore fans. This group makes up around 30% of the site. The more casual fans - They still play modern Pokemon games, but may skip some mainline games if they don't like some of the game's flaws. These fans may also have a more negative view of the modern Pokemon games (and Game Freak in general) compared to the hardcore fans. Even among the casual fans, HGSS would still be seen as one of the best (if not the best) modern Pokemon game and would still receive a good amount of support in any match that HGSS is in. This is easily the smallest group of fans, making up an estimated 15% of the site. The former fans who quit the series - Most of these fans quit the series after Gen 1 or Gen 2, but some of them may have quit at some point after a later generation. Among the former fans, almost all of them have never played HGSS so the game would be much weaker with this group of fans since they never played it. Even for the former fans who played GSC but not HGSS, the game wouldn't act as a proxy for GSC as they never played HGSS. This group makes up an estimated 35% of the site. So HGSS would easily be stronger than GSC among the hardcore fans, probably still at GSC level (or higher) among the more casual fans, and much weaker among the fans who quit the series. Overall, I think this balances out to the point where HGSS would certainly be weaker than GSC. I used past Pokemon related polls to estimate the size of each group of fans. Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as Advokaiser, Guru Champ! |
LusterSoldier posted... Even for the former fans who played GSC but not HGSS, the game wouldn't act as a proxy for GSC as they never played HGSS. That's the big "what if", though. I assume nobody played P4 Golden, but it seemed to act like a praxy for the vast majority of voters. |
I am in the first group of fans. So why we exist? What happens when we stop existing? Nice job Hylian Knight 3, you were better than me in the Guru Contest! |
ZeldaTPLink posted... That's the big "what if", though. I assume nobody played P4 Golden, but it seemed to act like a praxy for the vast majority of voters. Yeah P4 Golden wouldn't have made it past RDR if it wasn't a PS2 game. (edited 4/26/2020 3:25:44 PM) |
Mac Arrowny posted... Why would Hearthstone be any stronger than it was in 2015? I feel like we're seeing more games be weaker than they were in 2015 than stronger, and there's a good deal of Blizzard antipathy going around now. I feel like Hearthstone would be weaker now than then, just like, say, Starcraft 2. It's more the benefit of facing a game that can't completely drive it into the ground like OoT did. It's why VLR is going to be stronger this year than it was in 2015. Measuring through such low fodder isn't always the best thing to do because it does depend a lot on the opponent. |
Sharinnegan posted... Hearthstone was too new in 2015. with this site's userbase, a lot of voters (most even, arguably) likely didnt even know what the hell a "hearthstone" wasAnd you still haven't provided any evidence for the rather preposterous claim that this site wouldn't know the first thing about a Warcraft-branded Blizzard game. Consider that 2015's voterbase was more or less the same as the current voterbase that's sufficiently tuned-in to prefer Diablo III over BioShock Infinite, even though the former had possibly the worst launch for a major game ever at the time, whereas the latter was treated as the best thing since sliced bread for the first few months after its launch. "I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people who do." You won the CBX Guru Contest, Advokaiser! Bully for you! (edited 4/26/2020 4:43:31 PM) |
ZeldaTPLink posted... That's the big "what if", though. I assume nobody played P4 Golden, but it seemed to act like a praxy for the vast majority of voters. A big difference exists between the Persona and Pokemon fanbases. The Persona fanbase doesn't have a sizable minority on this site who have quit the series, while the Pokemon fanbase does. That's an important aspect which enabled P4G to act as a proxy for the original Persona 4. HGSS will be somewhat limited in its ability to act as a proxy for GSC because at least 30% of this site has quit the Pokemon series. Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as Advokaiser, Guru Champ! |
Diablo is a classic franchise, thats not at all comparable. hearthstone wasnt even a year old by the time that contest happened. this site's userbase doesn't care for PC gaming for the most part, and card games in general were a ridiculously niche genre before hearthstone happened and , over the years, started spawning many other games inspired by it. |
How fans have quit the Pokemon series when the latest games broke record sales and sold over 16 million units in 2 months? What? So why we exist? What happens when we stop existing? Nice job Hylian Knight 3, you were better than me in the Guru Contest! |
I
think P4G will proxy for Persona 4 because it's an enhanced port of the
game. HGSS doesn't have the same relationship with GSC. Like no one
would think FRLG was a proxy for RBY. I'm still of the opinion it's
better to think of HGSS as a high end modern Pokemon game rather than a
shadow of GSC. Link isn't the only one who kicks ass. Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Contest! |
Sharinnegan posted... Diablo is a classic franchise, thats not at all comparable.Don't lie to me and claim you'd be confident in taking Diablo II over the original BioShock. Sharinnegan posted... hearthstone wasnt even a year old by the time that contest happened. this site's userbase doesn't care for PC gaming for the most part, and card games in general were a ridiculously niche genre before hearthstone happened and , over the years, started spawning many other games inspired by it.Okay, but we're not talking about some obscure indie game from a niche genre like a Slay the Spire or a NecroDancer here. We're talking about the Warcraft franchise and the Blizzard name, both of which automatically garner attention here and anywhere. Of course, GameFAQs had no reason to care about Hearthstone at the time (and still doesn't), but that's not the same as claiming a great proportion of the voterbase hadn't even heard of it. "I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people who do." You won the CBX Guru Contest, Advokaiser! Bully for you! (edited 4/26/2020 4:51:12 PM) |
I can safely promise people that Hearthstone is garbage. This is barely worth a discussion. Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best Game Ever" Contest http://www.twitch.tv/ultimaterializerx ; https://imgur.com/dsnL40n |
Kamekguy posted... I really want to believe in HGSS. It has everything going for it:It's a remake of a game that's already weaker than "genwun". It's looked worse than Nier so far to boot |
HGSS put up big numbers on a 4 pack of nobodies. There's nothing really good or bad you can take away from those matches. Link isn't the only one who kicks ass. Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Contest! |
LusterSoldier posted... Even for the former fans who played GSC but not HGSS, the game wouldn't act as a proxy for GSC as they never played HGSS. Incorrect. I am a quintessential member of this group, and I treat Pokémon Heart Gold / Soul Silver as a proxy for Pokémon Gold / Silver. I will give you a hint as to the sphinx’s riddle as to why this is the case, and it lies in 60% of the words in “Pokémon Heart Gold / Soul Silver.” Also, I find highly suspect at best the notion that they wouldn’t get proxy votes if people hadn’t played them, as that is precisely what proxy votes are. If they played the game and were basing their vote on that, those would just be regular votes. Kampfmaschine Advokaiser punched my lights out in the 2018 Guru. My bracket was soft... just like my heart! |
well, we're about to see anyways what does Pokemon need to get on Nier for hearthstone to end around the same as its 2015 value? |
Sharinnegan posted... well, we're about to see anyways More than it should reasonably be expected to get. Although it would largely depend on what it does against Skyrim and how Skyrim does beyond that. |
Sharinnegan posted... well, we're about to see anyways We don't know. We don't really know how strong Pokemon or anything in Pokemon's 4 pack was. Link isn't the only one who kicks ass. Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Contest! |
alright go my nier The final Undisputed Champion in UCA history. |
This one is hot in the early vote. Agent Triple Zero at your service! This line reserved for the true greatone, the 2020 Guru contest winner. |
Mario Kart 8 destroying Skyrim with the board vote as expected. Game of the Decade 2 - Current Score: 164/184 Today's Picks: TESV: Skyrim and Pokemon HG/SS |
Skyrim board vote living up to expectations. It's Reyn Time. |
Nier closing in fast this first minute. xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? |
Sharinnegan posted... well, we're about to see anywaysHearthstone would have to finish drastically ahead of its 2015 value to suggest that there's actually some truth to your argument that voters just hadn't heard of it back then. A finish only somewhat ahead would simply suggest my argument about its current strength relative to 2015 and the comparison of votes by default against Divinity versus antivotes against Ocarina is wrong. "I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people who do." You won the CBX Guru Contest, Advokaiser! Bully for you! (edited 4/26/2020 5:01:50 PM) |
I'm not sure who it favors that it's close right now. Pokemon will have the brackets. |
LOL Skyrim's early vote Agent Triple Zero at your service! This line reserved for the true greatone, the 2020 Guru contest winner. |
Skyrim finally passes by MK8 Agent Triple Zero at your service! This line reserved for the true greatone, the 2020 Guru contest winner. |
And Skyrim takes the lead. |
Lmao Skyrim at least witcher had the decency to go 50/50 with galaxy 2 |
I would be so happy if Nier won. Pokemon and RE2 have no business being in this contest. Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best Game Ever" Contest http://www.twitch.tv/ultimaterializerx ; https://imgur.com/dsnL40n |
I wonder what the percent swing will be in Skyrim/Mario Kart 8 after five minutes. Game of the Decade 2 - Current Score: 164/184 Today's Picks: TESV: Skyrim and Pokemon HG/SS |
Come on Nier Skyrim’s board vote against Dark Souls will be hilarious. I just decided to change this sig. Blaaaaaaargh Advokaiser |
Not looking good for Pokemon... Game of the Decade 2 - Current Score: 164/184 Today's Picks: TESV: Skyrim and Pokemon HG/SS |
Nier also has a strong early vote. It's Reyn Time. |
Mario Kart doing well |
HI l'M DAISY Agent Triple Zero at your service! This line reserved for the true greatone, the 2020 Guru contest winner. |
Play vidja gaems Yoblazer https://imgur.com/gByqgPg |
500 I did not hit her! Its not true! Its BS! I did not hit her! I did not! Oh hi, Mark. |
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