Sharinnegan 4/24/2020 8:36:21 AM#401
that rally topic on witcher 3 reddit got a little bit of traction with 40 upvotes...might have brought in a couple hundred votes
Safer_777 posted...
So yeah that means the seeding was perfect. Except of course the 4th division and that was barely off. So is this the best seeded contest ever?

Pretty much, even in the first round there were only seven seeding upsets and four of them were 7/10 and 8/9 and one was a 6/11 (Rayman > Celeste) so that's not too bad. The other two was due to Undertale being overseeded while Mario Kart 8 was underseeded.

The second round was quite similar, the lowest seed other than Mario Kart 8 to win was six seed Shovel Knight who technically didn't commit a seeding upset as it defeated 14 seed Octopath. The five seeds outdid the four seeds 4-3.

Of course some first round losers were a bit underseeded (Resident Evil 7, South Park, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 etc.), but the bracket was well made.
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ShortReplies 4/24/2020 8:41:20 AM#403
Sharinnegan posted...
that rally topic on witcher 3 reddit got a little bit of traction with 40 upvotes...might have brought in a couple hundred votes
I think this is still not much, i mean the difference now is around 4.5K votes, so 100-300 votes are nothing impactful.
The subreddit is active but it seems they like posting pictures and cosplaying, so if i were Breath of the Wild or Persona fan i wouldnt worry too much about rallies from there. They dont give a f***.

Maybe try their forums next time, someone maybe will post some rally at CDPR forums, dont know if that is going to impact either but you do this now and if they dont you can safely say rallies won't worry you in the future, so its like kinda an experiment.
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shane15 4/24/2020 8:43:02 AM#404
Lightning Strikes posted...
If we're just going by shocking strength and an upset, Xenoblade is much more impressive. Star of the contest so far.


SFF'd 2 lower down the pecking order Nintendo games and a game nobody on this site cares about.
shane15 posted...
SFF'd 2 lower down the pecking order Nintendo games and a game nobody on this site cares about.
What 2 Nintendo games?

Fire Emblem and...
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squexa 4/24/2020 9:04:51 AM#406
MechanicalWall posted...
What 2 Nintendo games?

Fire Emblem and...

Splatoon 2 presumably
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ZeldaTPLink 4/24/2020 9:05:07 AM#407
shane15 posted...
SFF'd 2 lower down the pecking order Nintendo games and a game nobody on this site cares about.

I mean it's easier to say that AFTER you learned which game is above which game in the pecking order.
Oh s***, I keep confusing Xenoblade and Fire Emblem's paths lol
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
I mean it's easier to say that AFTER you learned which game is above which game in the pecking order.
Also this

A lot of us took Fire Emblem as being the one able to assert itself. Yet another reason I take the series as the Turd of the Contest...
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Safer_777 4/24/2020 9:08:46 AM#410
@charmander6000 Hey thanks for noticing. This was the total opposite from the previous contest where out of all 1 and 2 seeds only ONE 1 seed managed to reach the division finals and no 2 seed either, so that was the worst seeded contest ever.
So why we exist? What happens when we stop existing?
Nice job Hylian Knight 3, you were better than me in the Guru Contest!
You don't just SFF blowout games for no reason. Also is Xenoblade higher on the pecking order? Fire Emblem's certainly bigger for Nintendo. The fact that Xenoblade beat the bigger Nintendo game by so much says a lot.
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shane15 4/24/2020 9:11:16 AM#412
Stooge1969 4/24/2020 9:38:57 AM#413
so witcher 3 is getting rallied again? lol
Mac Arrowny 4/24/2020 9:39:36 AM#414
Lightning Strikes posted...
You don't just SFF blowout games for no reason. Also is Xenoblade higher on the pecking order? Fire Emblem's certainly bigger for Nintendo. The fact that Xenoblade beat the bigger Nintendo game by so much says a lot.


Again, there's no such thing as a pecking order for series. We saw SSBU SFF LBW even though Zelda's the bigger Nintendo series.
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LeonhartFour 4/24/2020 9:40:39 AM#415
Fire Emblem is bigger for Nintendo but it's still never managed to be more than a low midcarder here. Xenoblade being more well regarded here is not all that surprising.
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Yuri_LowelI 4/24/2020 9:42:44 AM#416
LeonhartFour posted...
Fire Emblem is bigger for Nintendo but it's still never managed to be more than a low midcarder here. Xenoblade being more well regarded here is not all that surprising.

xenoblade is also more appealing. I dont give two s***s what black turtle thinks. Srpgs will never be as popular as Traditional rpgs.
calimelee 4/24/2020 9:50:14 AM#417
Mac Arrowny posted...
Again, there's no such thing as a pecking order for series. We saw SSBU SFF LBW even though Zelda's the bigger Nintendo series.
LBW is also a top down handheld game. those never drew a dime compared to the 3d ones
LeonhartFour 4/24/2020 9:51:18 AM#418
I mean if Three Houses couldn't be the big breakout game for Fire Emblem then I think it's basically stuck where it is forever
calimelee 4/24/2020 9:52:25 AM#419
LeonhartFour posted...
I mean if Three Houses couldn't be the big breakout game for Fire Emblem then I think it's basically stuck where it is forever
It's sold 3 million copies and got someone into Smash within 6 months of launching. Not being popular on a boomer web site doesn't mean squat.
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Those types of polls rarely rank the series correctly. For example, Galaxy is essentially Galaxy 2's worst opponent.
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LeonhartFour 4/24/2020 9:59:29 AM#422
UltimaterializerX posted...

It's sold 3 million copies and got someone into Smash within 6 months of launching. Not being popular on a boomer web site doesn't mean squat.


you're making my point for me

I'm not talking about Fire Emblem in the main

if this site still doesn't care about Fire Emblem after the massive success Three Houses was then we never will
Yuri_LowelI 4/24/2020 10:04:16 AM#423
calimelee posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7757-whats-your-all-time-favorite-3d-super-mario-game

Even 3D World is stronger than Galaxy 2

nah

also lol Sunshine fanboys.

also that poll proves odyssey isnt all that. Im sorry it should be doing way better on mario 64
Yuri_LowelI posted...
nah

also lol Sunshine fanboys.

also that poll proves odyssey isnt all that. Im sorry it should be doing way better on mario 64

It is like you have no concept of sff
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LeonhartFour 4/24/2020 10:08:46 AM#425
calimelee 4/24/2020 10:16:45 AM#426
charmander6000 posted...
Those types of polls rarely rank the series correctly. For example, Galaxy is essentially Galaxy 2's worst opponent.
i seriously doubt galaxy 2 would beat galaxy. it wouldn't be close either
raptor36000 4/24/2020 10:18:37 AM#427
ctesjbuvf posted...
No. I can't believe after 7 years that people still insists this is the case. When people find themselves to be somewhere inbetween, they're basically always getting accused of just liking when their favorite game is winning.

Everyone should be capable of understanding. In general, it's my idea that people enjoy the rallies if they bring more excitement to the match results and if the games have even rallying possibilities, while there are exceptions on both sides of course. Something like Octopath vs. Shovel Knight was close and exciting match for almost the full time and got more exciting due to the swings in votes for both games. It appeared to still be close, so people were a lot more split on that one. You can find people that enjoyed that, but didn't enjoy Draven and Undertale, because they were nothing like that. The other games were completely burried and never stood a chance, not just in one match, but clearly for the rest of the contest. The Mario and RBY gauntlet and Chrono Trigger's way through the big names were probably the matches people in general were most excited about and none of them happened while we were instead given very uniteresting matches to see the results for.

No one's answered my simple question. Who decides whether a rally is small, medium or big? And is it possible to control and limit the size of a rally so that it stays small even if it starts to get traction?
Or is it okay to rally if both games are big and its a close vote? Its okay to enjoy a rally because it brings excitement but trying to justify it based on its size is nonsensical, especially since you have no control over it once the ball starts rolling.
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According to 2015 x-stats, Mario Galaxy gets about 55% on Mario Galaxy 2 before accounting for any SFF.

Sounds about right. The first one is gonna get any 'innovation' points, on top of just straight up selling better.
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Mac Arrowny posted...
Again, there's no such thing as a pecking order for series. We saw SSBU SFF LBW even though Zelda's the bigger Nintendo series.

I agree, I’m just pointing out that Xenoblade has no reason to be above Three Houses intrinsically. It’s just a stronger game.

Fire Emblem has looked fine by the way. 44-45% on pre-rally Bloodborne is respectable, and that 47% on RE2 looks legit. Xenoblade has just looked great.
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Safer_777 4/24/2020 10:26:11 AM#431
@Sens-Hangar_18 The Switch is MUCH beloved here.
So why we exist? What happens when we stop existing?
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Sens-Hangar_18 posted...
Lolwut Why is Odyssey so much stronger than Galaxy on here? Galaxy seems way more respected everywhere else online from my experience
Is it? I've heard nothing but praise lavished on Odyssey whenever it's brought up. The issue is that BotW created a black hole of discussion for other games released around that period, so it simply ISN'T brought up as much as it otherwise would have been.
ctesjbuvf 4/24/2020 10:43:16 AM#433
raptor36000 posted...
No one's answered my simple question. Who decides whether a rally is small, medium or big? And is it possible to control and limit the size of a rally so that it stays small even if it starts to get traction?
Or is it okay to rally if both games are big and its a close vote? Its okay to enjoy a rally because it brings excitement but trying to justify it based on its size is nonsensical, especially since you have no control over it once the ball starts rolling.

It's a good question and no, it's not possible to control I'd think. Draven and Undertale were clearly large, but it's not an easy line to draw.

I'd say it's definitely okay to enjoy a battle of two small rallies that won't change the rest of the contest and not enjoy rallies that change the rest of the contest giving the same not close match each time.

But apparently those two instances are completely the same. It's weird that we only ever mention Draven or Undertale when just from this contest alone we have to add Persona, Shovel Knight, Octopath, Bloodborne etc to that group. All the same!

Just like... say you're rooting for a game in a match. Then the other game gets a rally so you continue to root for game of course. But then your own game suddenly gets a rally, so now you must stop rooting for it to win or you're a hypocrite!

This is how it has been and it's of course beyond stupid, but I suppose anything else wouldn't be simple enough to comprehend.
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My favorite example of Board 8's hypocrisy on rallies is Chrono Trigger in 2015. Not one of you would have complained had Nick's FB group given it a crazy boost and won Chrono Trigger the contest. Without Melee and Undertale, it very well may have.

And for the record, you shouldn't have complained in that case. Who hates Chrono Trigger or the idea of it winning a contest? The point is when it's Chrono Trigger it's awesome, but when it's Draven it's a problem. There is no difference to me.
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ctesjbuvf 4/24/2020 11:02:43 AM#435
I promise I would've thought it was a shame if it lost in a close match to FFVII,
RBY, OoT, whatever and it flipped the result.

I probably wouldn't have complained, I never complain when rallies happen. Doesn't exactly make any difference.

I'm not trying to deny there are hypocrites ftr. There absolutely are. I'm just defending the idea that you can enjoy aspects of something without liking all of it.
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GildedFool 4/24/2020 11:03:42 AM#436
The only thing that I care about with regards to a rally/duelling rallies is whether it makes the result closer to 50% or not.

If it does, the contest is more interesting. If it doesn't than it adds exactly nothing to the contest experience whether it flips the result or not.
UltimaterializerX posted...
he point is when it's Chrono Trigger it's awesome, but when it's Draven it's a problem. There is no difference to me.
Again, degree matters to a lot of people. The rallying is not nearly as egregious when it propels an entrant that was Top 10 in strength anyway. Draven wasn't even a Top 200 character on GameFAQs. He was getting blown out by nobodies before the rallies turned him into Top 1.

Example: if Skyrim catches some inexplicable rallies and wins the contest, will some people be salty? Sure, but there would be a lot more acceptance of it (and waaaay less salt) than we had with Draven and Undertale. Skyrim was already a beast around here and didn't need to grow 100 times in strength to win. Degree and nuance, once again.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...
Again, degree matters to a lot of people. The rallying is not nearly as egregious when it propels an entrant that was Top 10 in strength anyway. Draven wasn't even a Top 200 character on GameFAQs. He was getting blown out by nobodies before the rallies turned him into Top 1.

Example: if Skyrim catches some inexplicable rallies and wins the contest, will some people be salty? Sure, but there would be a lot more acceptance of it (and waaaay less salt) than we sad with Draven and Undertale. Skyrim was already a beast around here and didn't need to grow 100 times in strength to win. Degree and nuance, once again.
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In these contests, an agreement ("Contract") has also been reached ahead of time:

Don't forget: This is not a contest to see which game is your favorite, or even which one is critically the best. It's all a big popularity contest, and visitors who have never visited GameFAQs before will be sure to stop in and vote.

Remember, it's all a big Internet popularity contest. Outside forces can influence the results, and have done so in the past. We take many steps to prevent vote-stuffing by individuals, but the power of the masses is unstoppable.

These are the literal rules that we all signed up for.
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UltimaterializerX posted...
These are the literal rules that we all signed up for.
You can still be unhappy about the result while acknowledging its legitimacy. Aren't you upset at sports all the time?
Leonhart4 4/24/2020 11:17:00 AM#440
Stop changing the parameters of the argument. There are very few of us (don't hold up BT as the norm) who think rallies should be against the rules. Doesn't mean we have to like them.
CaptainOfCrush posted...
You can still be unhappy about the result while acknowledging its legitimacy. Aren't you upset at sports all the time?
So long as people acknowledge they’re legit, I won’t ask for much else 😃

You are talking to a guy that’s defended non-cheating rallies for 16 years now. I used to be against them, but when you change your mind mid contest on the same thing it’s eye opening.

”Starcraft rallied past Halo! Hell yeah!”

”How dare Starcraft rally past Wind Waker!”

Both of those were me. It was a bit silly!
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Leonhart4 posted...
Stop changing the parameters of the argument. There are very few of us (don't hold up BT as the norm) who think rallies should be against the rules. Doesn't mean we have to like them.
You’re not who I’m talking about, because you don’t like any of them. Totally fair!
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shane15 4/24/2020 11:22:06 AM#443
In my opinion if rallies can't be stopped then the whole thing should just be for fun entries only. Always thought the whole rally thing in a prize giving contest felt a bit wrong.
Surskit 4/24/2020 11:28:56 AM#444
How many times will we have the same discussion about rallies? Don't you guys get tired of it?
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Leonhart4 4/24/2020 11:46:48 AM#445
I'm tired of it, but it keeps happening for some reason.

I need to do some X-Stats to preview these division finals (the ones that matter anyway).
LeonhartFour 4/24/2020 12:08:18 PM#446
For Division 2, if ME2 = RE2:

Horizon Zero Dawn beats DOOM with 52.73%
Fire Emblem: Awakening beats Borderlands 2 with 51.97%
Fallout 4 beats Deus Ex with 52.81%
VVVVVV beats Danganronpa 2 with 54.97%
Bloodstained beats CoD BlOps with 70.18%
Fortnite beats INSIDE with 65.45%
Ytterbicide 4/24/2020 12:09:16 PM#447
shane15 posted...
In my opinion if rallies can't be stopped then the whole thing should just be for fun entries only. Always thought the whole rally thing in a prize giving contest felt a bit wrong.

What's so wrong about it?
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Surskit posted...
How many times will we have the same discussion about rallies? Don't you guys get tired of it?

It's Reyn Time.
LeonhartFour 4/24/2020 12:13:32 PM#449
For Division 3, if Smash Ultimate = Mario Odyssey:

Spider-Man beats DMC5 with 60.58%
Minecraft beats Shovel Knight with 55.89%
Tropical Freeze beats Dead Space 2 with 55.24%
Dragon's Dogma beats Dota 2 with 61.34%
Tekken 7 beats Mortal Kombat 11 with 58.78%
LeonhartFour posted...
Minecraft beats Shovel Knight with 55.89%
Tekken 7 beats Mortal Kombat 11 with 58.78%
Urgh...
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