Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1351

Tales games collectively have ONE 1v1 win on this site. It's just a fact of life for these contests that you should never pick Tales to win any debatable match.

This site just doesn't make sense at all. The only real banker is Link winning everything.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

The WRPG pick looks pretty boring, tbh.

Looks like Morrowind (in case you were wondering...)

I'm trying to figure out how dead my bracket is for taking Fire Emblem here when I ALSO took Persona 4 to win. I feel GTA losing is gonna kill more brackets while 3H probably has the brackets in its match

Seanchan posted...

Looks like Morrowind (in case you were wondering...)

Figures. That is the one with the map that takes a full RL day to walk through, right?

I actually don't like s***ting on games I haven't played, tbh. I'll believe it's a good game. It's just that I'm not really into extremely complicated games, and bashing JRPGs because of that is... eh.

MechanicalWall posted...

I'm trying to figure out how dead my bracket is for taking Fire Emblem here when I ALSO took Persona 4 to win. I feel GTA losing is gonna kill more brackets while 3H probably has the brackets in its match

Early on during the bracket phase i got the impression Persona and FE were pretty close for division winner with nobody really giving Xenoblade a prayer. If that still holds true i can't see it affecting you that much tbh.

shane15 posted...

Early on during the bracket phase i got the impression Persona and FE were pretty close for division winner with nobody really giving Xenoblade a prayer. If that still holds true i can't see it affecting you that much tbh.

In terms of the guru Xenoblade had more brackets winning that Persona 4. Of course both had less than 10% each. I imagine the overall site will be similar since both games had between 30-40% just reaching here.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

I mean that's just how the dice fell. Tales has had a lot of missteps over the years to prevent it from reaching the heights it could have.

Following up it's most popular entry on a console not known for jRPGs with one of its worst entries on a console that WAS known for JRPGS in Legendia.

Abyss right after is a masterpiece, but it's frontloaded with a lot of stuff that, incorrectly, turned people off.

Vesperia is great but was locked on a console even LESS associated with the genre, and a bunch of people missed it.

The Xillia and Graces years were heavily unpromoted, series was being treated like it was Gust tier.

They make a much bigger push in marketing for Zesteria, except WHOOPS, it's generally considered the worst game in the franchise, or second worst.

Berseria absolutely KILLS it in quality, but both the publisher and the consumers were still spooked by Zesteria and the games marketing and sales take a hit as a result.

We can only hope Arise, which has been lying low but will likely be heavily promoted and looks like it's getting a LOT of attention put into it, can revitalize the franchise. The word of mouth on Berseria is so strong that it's got some good will going into it, too.

I mean if Arise ever comes out lol

Let's just hope that Arise is staying out of sight because they're putting a bunch of effort in and want a big re-reveal, and not because the game is getting upended by the director sleeping with a VA and re-writing the entire game to give them a bigger role.

Again.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

Tales games collectively have ONE 1v1 win on this site. It's just a fact of life for these contests that you should never pick Tales to win any debatable match.

What was it against?

pirate109 posted...

Quite a few people getting 0/2 today, I'd imagine.

Never been happier to go 0/2. The better games won.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

I mean that's just how the dice fell. Tales has had a lot of missteps over the years to prevent it from reaching the heights it could have.

Following up it's most popular entry on a console not known for jRPGs with one of its worst entries on a console that WAS known for JRPGS in Legendia.

Abyss right after is a masterpiece, but it's frontloaded with a lot of stuff that, incorrectly, turned people off.

Vesperia is great but was locked on a console even LESS associated with the genre, and a bunch of people missed it.

The Xillia and Graces years were heavily unpromoted, series was being treated like it was Gust tier.

They make a much bigger push in marketing for Zesteria, except WHOOPS, it's generally considered the worst game in the franchise, or second worst.

Berseria absolutely KILLS it in quality, but both the publisher and the consumers were still spooked by Zesteria and the games marketing and sales take a hit as a result.

We can only hope Arise, which has been lying low but will likely be heavily promoted and looks like it's getting a LOT of attention put into it, can revitalize the franchise. The word of mouth on Berseria is so strong that it's got some good will going into it, too.

So true. Tales is a marketing nightmare. Imagine if Symphonia and Vesperia had been on Sony consoles in the US from the start. Series would be huge. Hell, they should've released Abyss on Gamecube as well.

Lloyd beat Wesker that one time

If xeno hits 60 its an elite tier

Fun fact: Assuming P4G, Witcher, and P5 all win, the only franchise that will remain undefeated through three rounds is Persona.

It is hard to say what Symphonia would have done releasing on PS2 exclusively instead, where it would have had competition and it would not have been promoted as much.A big part of why Symphonia succeeded was because it was on a genre starved console and got an ENORMOUS Nintendo push. People that normally would never have played it even with a PS2 did so because it was on the GameCube.

Vesperia, on the other hand, was on a console not known for Japanese games period, much less RPGs, and was also in the middle of Microsoft artificially pumping that console with jRPGs in general.

Would have loved to see Symphonia followed up by Abyss on the Gamecube with the same marketing push, though, since that's such a better game.

Yuri_LowelI posted...

If xeno hits 60 its an elite tier

I wouldn't mind this, but it's hard to tell with SFF going on between XB and FE.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

It is hard to say what Symphonia would have done releasing on PS2 exclusively instead, where it would have had competition and it would not have been promoted as much.A big part of why Symphonia succeeded was because it was on a genre starved console and got an ENORMOUS Nintendo push. People that normally would never have played it even with a PS2 did so because it was on the GameCube.

I think he's talking about if the PS2 release of ToS had come out in the West too.

GTAV is going to end this match .01% below what Red Dead got, just to spite me

UshiromiyaEva posted...

It is hard to say what Symphonia would have done releasing on PS2 exclusively instead, where it would have had competition and it would not have been promoted as much.A big part of why Symphonia succeeded was because it was on a genre starved console and got an ENORMOUS Nintendo push. People that normally would never have played it even with a PS2 did so because it was on the GameCube.

That's a great point. All Gamecube had in the RPG department was Skies of Arcadia. Meanwhile PS2 had FFX, KH, Xenosaga, Shadow Hearts, etc, and backward compatibility with PS1 RPGs.

Mac Arrowny posted...

I think he's talking about if the PS2 release of ToS had come out in the West too.

Correct. But now that I think of it, ToS's exclusive GCN status no doubt boosted it. That was back when 3rd party exclusives actually meant something. Now virtually everything's on PC, if not every console.

gamecube also had fire emblem and baten kaitos.

The PS2 release of Symphonia wouldn't have mattered too much. That system was saturated and non-Square JRPGs struggled. What Tales needed to do was follow-up on its newfound, huge audience with Nintendo gamers and started releasing Tales multiplatform. Not have the next three games skip Nintendo systems before releasing an obvious beta 6 years later on the Wii.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Figures. That is the one with the map that takes a full RL day to walk through, right?

I actually don't like s***ting on games I haven't played, tbh. I'll believe it's a good game. It's just that I'm not really into extremely complicated games, and bashing JRPGs because of that is... eh.

It's the only Elder Scrolls game I've ever played. Liked it quite a bit after a 2 hour false start when I was trying to pick up and sell every item in the first cave. Then I realized how big the map was, lol. Definitely doesn't take a full RL day to cross but I remember it feeling enormous at the time.

charmander6000 posted...

In terms of the guru Xenoblade had more brackets winning that Persona 4. Of course both had less than 10% each. I imagine the overall site will be similar since both games had between 30-40% just reaching here.

Someone posted this a topic or two back that might help you figure out where you'll stand in the Guru rankings:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qK4NOzPxYNNsuGw10Esrc-KKTGQd6S5kbRywdWE_2oQ/edit#gid=1775137827

Also it would've been nice to have that Symphonia re-release on GameCube with all the extra content and none of the drawbacks of being released on a weaker console.

Raka_Putra posted...

What was it against?

53% on Resident Evil 5 in Round 1 of 2010.

Also of note, Symphonia almost certainly would not have had it's voice actors without the Nintendo money. Tales typically has solid voice acting, but not always, and that early it would have been a gamble looking at the difference between Legendia and Abyss there. Even if the quality could be matched by some later games, that cast was certainly unique in the realm of RPGs. Imagining Lloyd not voiced by Robin is difficult.

plasmabeam posted...

Correct. But now that I think of it, ToS's exclusive GCN status no doubt boosted it. That was back when 3rd party exclusives actually meant something. Now virtually everything's on PC, if not every console.

Nintendo system exclusive JRPGs have traditionally done very well because the fanbase is desperate. People rag on ToS for being propped up by that factor (which is...kinda true) but the best example is Baten Kaitos. There is no way something that aggressively mediocre sells more than 10 copies as a PS2 game.

Diegui posted...

gamecube also had fire emblem and baten kaitos.

After ToS.

And Paper Mario was after ToS as well.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Also of note, Symphonia almost certainly would not have had it's voice actors without the Nintendo money. Tales typically has solid voice acting, but not always, and that early it would have been a gamble looking at the difference between Legendia and Abyss there. Even if the quality could be matched by some later games, that cast was certainly unique in the realm of RPGs. Imagining Lloyd not voiced by Robin is difficult.

Wow. This is something I've taken for granted with Tales.

Thank you, Nintendo. Can't imagine that game without the voicework.

KamikazePotato posted...

Nintendo system exclusive JRPGs have traditionally done very well because the fanbase is desperate. People rag on ToS for being propped up by that factor (which is...kinda true) but the best example is Baten Kaitos. There is no way something that aggressively mediocre sells more than 10 copies as a PS2 game.

Agree 100% on BK. That game, while unique in many regards, is extremely average. That said, I did enjoy the plot twist.

ToS, on the other hand, I enjoyed more than any of the PS2 RPGs I played before and after it. ToS had a fun factor that couldn't be touched back then.

Baten Kaitos was amazing tf

Baten Kaitos

from the developers of Xenoblade Chronicles

great game

never did play Origins though

gamer man posted...

Baten Kaitos was amazing tf

The card battle system, visuals, music, and the plot twist were awesome.

The characters and storyline, on the other hand are completely forgettable. I only remember Kalas by name, along with the annoying blonde chick and the redheaded musician guy. Beyond that, everything's a blank.

So seeing as this site doesn't like Trails for some reason how many games in the bracket would second chapter have actually beaten?

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Imagining Lloyd not voiced by Robin is difficult.

It'd be a dawn of a new world

shane15 posted...

So seeing as this site doesn't like Trails for some reason how many games in the bracket would second chapter have actually beaten?

It's not that we don't like it. It's that I doubt most of the site has played it. It's going to be bottom 15 at best.

All the VA replacements in Symphonia 2 is the main reason I never got that game.

plasmabeam posted... The card battle system, visuals, music, and the plot twist were awesome.

The characters and storyline, on the other hand are completely forgettable. I only remember Kalas by name, along with the annoying blonde chick and the redheaded musician guy. Beyond that, everything's a blank.

how could you forget THE GREAT MIZUTI
but yeah, the characters, story, and voice acting are the weak point.

What are the chances gta wins this?

do i need to rally for golden more

Baten Kaitos Origins is legit an all time great and it's a shame nobody played it.

Just shockingly better than the original, especially in combat.

 https://youtu.be/GEdgU_MJK84 (click to expand) 

Baten Kaitos was definitely the superior RPG during that summer, but you just can't beat action rpgs anymore (or ever since like the 2000s).

Trails has the issue of being niche and also having had several releases this decade a lot of which were sequels.

pjbasis posted...

Baten Kaitos was definitely the superior RPG during that summer, but you just can't beat action rpgs anymore (or ever since like the 2000s).

Dragon Quest XI > Monster Hunter: World :P

Didnt like BK. Couldnt get into the card gameplay. The 2nd one never came out in europe either

So what % do you guys think Witcher hits on SMG2?

what % does it need to hit for you? I think anything past a double is super impressive. I think 62-64 is what it may end up. 59-61 low end.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/gamecube/917921-baten-kaitos-eternal-wings-and-the-lost-ocean

8.0 critic rating and an 8.08 user rating. Truly the most average JRPG in existence.

Which Xenoblade game had the Boob Slider that was censored and people were whining about it?

KamikazePotato posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/gamecube/917921-baten-kaitos-eternal-wings-and-the-lost-ocean

8.0 critic rating and an 8.08 user rating. Truly the most average JRPG in existence.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/games/rankings?platform=99&genre=48&list_type=rate&view_type=0&dlc=1&min_votes=2

Just look at all those Gamecube RPGs it's better than!

Don't smack talk Evolution World.

Safer_777 posted...

Which Xenoblade game had the Boob Slider that was censored and people were whining about it?

Xenoblade X

Also had people whining that the 13 year old's swimsuit was changed to cover more of her

Xenoblade x is underrated. Miles better than the dungs***e that is Xenoblade 2

KamikazePotato posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/gamecube/917921-baten-kaitos-eternal-wings-and-the-lost-ocean

8.0 critic rating and an 8.08 user rating. Truly the most average JRPG in existence.

i mean 8 for a jrpg is really good

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Dragon Quest XI > Monster Hunter: World :P

And barely! I thought DQXI would be a monster but I guess when you're a monster hunter you do ok!