Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1350

SK I could see getting tossed.

DMC5 I have more trouble seeing.

MechanicalWall posted...

It wasn't even in the top 5 games the year it came out in my humble opinion

It's somewhere between 3-5 for me on the year and still managed to come in somewhere near the bottom of my top 25 of the decade. 2017/2018 were stacked.

I'm doubling down on yesterday being the most unfun a GameFAQs contest match has been since 2002.

Between the over two hour delay to the rallies and turning everything into Who's Line where the votes are made up and the games don't matter. I'm somehow still salty. And things even fell on my side in the end.

Especially now that RE2 only won because people were pushing it for their brackets or something.

This will be my last post complaining about it. I just want it noted in the permanent archive.

Waking up expecting Smash to have recovered up to 67-69%, but man, the only thing that can give me some hope is knowing:

1._What does Smash put on Minecraft?
2._What does Smash put on Dota 2?

And I want it in the permanent archive that I think that match was sick and was the only one that motivated me to make some memes of it

transience posted...

do you guys think that Spider Man beats Arkham City?

I'd take it just due to it being the more recent "hot" superhero game.

Smash 4 (2015g) VS Minecraft (2015g)

Smash 4 has a strength of 30.96.
Minecraft has a strength of 16.82.

Smash 4 wins with 72.84% of the vote!
A win of 27,803 with 60,875 total votes cast.

Currently Ultimate is expected to get 69.14% against Minecraft. Sure Minecraft benefited from the rally, but even if you take Minecraft's worst percentage after 5 minutes (the 10 minute update) the number is 71.21%. Even if Ultimate wins next round I don't think it's in the running for second strongest game anymore.

and Minecraft/Xenoblade 2?

CaptainOfCrush posted...

Mario gets 57% on Snake
Samus gets 56% on Snake
Mario gets 60% on Samus

or

Mario gets 57% on Snake
Samus gets 58% on Snake
Mario gets 60% on Samus

Are the two scenarios really THAT extremely different?

Given you typed out the same scenario twice, uhhh

FFDragon posted...

I'm doubling down on yesterday being the most unfun a GameFAQs contest match has been since 2002.

Between the over two hour delay to the rallies and turning everything into Who's Line where the votes are made up and the games don't matter. I'm somehow still salty. And things even fell on my side in the end.

Especially now that RE2 only won because people were pushing it for their brackets or something.

This will be my last post complaining about it. I just want it noted in the permanent archive.

Oh well thanks for unblocking me. Seriously, what on earth bro.

And I legitimately do not understand why you're upset. Being on the winning/rooting end of a match like that is the best feeling these contests have! There is nothing like it. I get being upset pre-ending, but I figured RE2 winning would have been awesome for you.

If everyone only voted if they played every game in each match we could worry less about bracket voters

charmander6000 posted...

Even if Ultimate wins next round I don't think it's in the running for second strongest game anymore.

Probably, but as of now, I'll still give Smash/Odyssey the courtesy chance because they're still Nintendo. We haven't seen Witcher, Dark Souls, or Skyrim against Ninty competition yet. I think most of us are expecting Witcher to break SMG2 in a couple days, but I still want to see it first.

FFDragon posted...

I'm doubling down on yesterday being the most unfun a GameFAQs contest match has been since 2002.

Between the over two hour delay to the rallies and turning everything into Who's Line where the votes are made up and the games don't matter. I'm somehow still salty. And things even fell on my side in the end.

Especially now that RE2 only won because people were pushing it for their brackets or something.

This will be my last post complaining about it. I just want it noted in the permanent archive.

On the bright side, it was no Link/Shepard/Draven, and unlike that match you can't reasonably point to the downtime as the reason the result turned out the way it did because the trends were static. The board was in control, nobody was invading or being rude to Allen, it's unlikely to affect the match after, the results were legit, and we are all in pretty high spirits. Let's keep that in mind! Sorry it was rough for you though, I was rooting for RE for ya.

Heres the thing about smash. Is it a super popular game? Sure. Is it a GOTD or even. GOTY type gsme? Not even close. There is a reason is struggled against what is a weak franchise in God of war in goty poll. GOd of war was a bonified GOTY contender. Smash was just smash and had the nintendo fanbase pulling for it

when i hear GOTD im looking at Mario odyssey BOTW witcher 3 Skyrim dark souls mass effect 2 etc.

smash games outside of nintendo smash fan following isnt going to be considered for gotd.

even a game like spiderman has way more reason to be tied with. Gotd type prestige.

CaptainOfCrush posted...

Probably, but as of now, I'll still give Smash/Odyssey the courtesy chance because they're still Nintendo. We haven't seen Witcher, Dark Souls, or Skyrim against Ninty competition yet. I think most of us are expecting Witcher to break SMG2 in a couple days, but I still want to see it first

if witcher gets anything over 65 against SMG2 its besting odyssey and smash.

While true, we weren't too far away from Brawl winning the last GotD. Heck, the game that did end up winning likely never comes up in "GotD type" discussions.

UltimaterializerX posted...

And I legitimately do not understand why you're upset.

because not everyone enjoys the same things you do

UltimaterializerX posted...

Given you typed out the same scenario twice, uhhh

no, in one scenario Samus is slightly stronger, in the other Mario is slightly stronger, but the difference is so negligible that you wouldn't really consider it rSFF if Mario won

transience posted...

and Minecraft/Xenoblade 2?

I think Xenoblade 2 wins, but there's enough space in there for Spider-Man to win and Xenoblade 2 to win, especially since Minecraft is overrated due to being a clear beneficiary of the Shovel Knight/Octopath rally.

Speaking of...

Advokaiser posted...

Waking up expecting Smash to have recovered up to 67-69%, but man, the only thing that can give me some hope is knowing:

1._What does Smash put on Minecraft?
2._What does Smash put on Dota 2?

1. 69.12%
2. 85%

Also, I think there's a chance Minecraft is underrated in the 2015 stats. I even said this at the time, but Halo is the perfect opponent for something like FFVII to overperform on, whose natural strength normally includes a hefty dosage of anti-votes. Halo also gets anti-voted a lot, so it could have canceled things out.

And I think Minecraft could be stronger now than it was then.

I'm not opposed, just wondering what your thoughts were. I personally would take Arkham City over Spider Man every day of the week.

Yeah, I know you've been down on Spidey from the start and I've been a believer in it. We'll find out next round!

I don't think we will! that match will probably feature some kind of overlap that obscures the result.

Spider-Man was such a fantastic game. I’m glad it has gotten this far at least.

transience posted...

I don't think we will! that match will probably feature some kind of overlap that obscures the result.

Well, I think if Odyssey wins decisively, you can chalk that up to Ultimate just not being that good either way you look at it since a lot of us thought it could be the #2 game in the contest.

just for fun if Spider-Man = Batman, Xenoblade 2 gets 33.21% on Smash and BioShock gets 29.29% (which would make it just a little weaker than rally boosted Minecraft)

So BioShock Infinite vs. Minecraft: Who ya got?

transience posted...

I'm not opposed, just wondering what your thoughts were. I personally would take Arkham City over Spider Man every day of the week.

Agreed. Arkham did it first, and people generally prefer Batman to Spidey.

I'd be pretty confident in Minecraft over Bioshock Infinite.

WarThaNemesis2 posted...

I'd be pretty confident in Minecraft over Bioshock Infinite.

I am confident the other way

I'm a nintendo fan that is actually tired of seeing nintendo always win these things.

@_Saint_Boot_ This site just loves their Nintendo. This is why the early contests were good, not because of FF winning BUT you would always wonder who or what will win. Because we weren't so sure back then. I mean in the last contests? Pick Link or a Zelda game and that is.

@Safer_777 posted...

So woke up, checked the results. What happened? When I went to sleep yesterday with less than 1 hour for the match to end Bloodborne was winning. Did that Moonroof guy brought the votes?

@Zenithian_Legend It is not possible to not have played some of these games unless you are not a gamer. What kind of games you play?

Oh, I assure you it is quite possible. Most of my current gaming is FFRK - you already knew this :)

Beyond that, I haven't got a new system since the Wii and my most recent Playstation is the PS2. I never got a Wii U, and then when I had the extra cash to do so, they were suddenly no longer being manufactured. That being said, my girlfriend got a Switch, we just haven't really taken the time to play it much, as stupid as that is. So, I do have several games on that list - Mario Galaxy 2, Zelda BotW and Mario Kart 8, but just haven't got around to playing them.

Yuri_LowelI posted...

Heres the thing about smash. Is it a super popular game? Sure. Is it a GOTD or even. GOTY type gsme? Not even close. There is a reason is struggled against what is a weak franchise in God of war in goty poll. GOd of war was a bonified GOTY contender. Smash was just smash and had the nintendo fanbase pulling for it

This used to be true but not any more. Back in the day Smash was the Nintendo fanservice thing that was well received but not taken seriously as a GOTY contender. This is part of why on this very website, Melee got doubled by FFX and lost to GTA3 in the 2001 GOTY polls and the original had next to no presence. Brawl was Nintendo's most hyped game ever (and fastest selling) to that point and got a 93 on Metacritic yet struggled with a somewhat divisive PS3 exclusive before the PS3 even managed to make a comeback. And we all know what happened in the first GotD.

However, the narrative has shifted a lot. SSB4 won a ton of GotY awards (to contrast, GameFAQs was literally the only notable award Brawl won and Melee didn't win any), and Ultimate got several despite its December release disqualifying it at a lot of outlets. It even got a TGA nomination in 2019 for the first time in series history. That is significant as that is effectively sourced from a panel of major outlets so it's a good look at the way the industry is leaning. So Smash definitely has proper GotY/GotD cred in a way it didn't ten years ago. Does it have more than Mario Odyssey? Probably not.

Safer_777 posted...

@_Saint_Boot_ This site just loves their Nintendo. This is why the early contests were good, not because of FF winning BUT you would always wonder who or what will win. Because we weren't so sure back then. I mean in the last contests? Pick Link or a Zelda game and that is.

I mean, this is less a 'this site' problem and more a 'Final Fantasy has been consistently trending downward for almost 20 years and Solid Snake is basically done getting games that aren't Nintendo' thing.

Even if FF wasn’t trending downward LoZ seems to keep getting stronger and stronger here even when it also puts out titles that weren’t exactly beloved

Also, y'know, FF hasn't been top dog since literally the third contest. So by "early", you mean REALLY early.

WarThaNemesis2 posted...

I mean, this is less a 'this site' problem and more a 'Final Fantasy has been consistently trending downward for almost 20 years and Solid Snake is basically done getting games that aren't Nintendo' thing.

It's almost like Nintendo makes games people like! Though that could be due to the demographic Nintendo typically targets with their games, that being younger children probably up to the age of, like, 12? Not saying those are the only people who are into Nintendo, I'm a huge Nintendo fan (d'oh), but those are the people Nintendo games are primarily geared towards. My first Nintendo system was the GameCube and thus I have stupidly fond memories of the console. Lots of people feel similarity about whatever their first game system was, especially if it was a Nintendo one.

WarThaNemesis2 posted...

I mean, this is less a 'this site' problem and more a 'Final Fantasy has been consistently trending downward for almost 20 years and Solid Snake is basically done getting games that aren't Nintendo' thing.

Honestly. As time goes on, Nintendo stays consistent while other companies either screw up (Square) or give up (Konami).

Lightning Strikes posted...

Also, y'know, FF hasn't been top dog since literally the third contest. So by "early", you mean REALLY early.

excuse me the Villains Contest was the 5th contest

swordz9 posted...

Even if FF wasn’t trending downward LoZ seems to keep getting stronger and stronger here even when it also puts out titles that weren’t exactly beloved

I mean during the Wii U era we got...one contest with games or characters that didn't boil down to rallies. The difference is that before 2018 Nintendo recovered with the Switch while FF continued its descent.

swordz9 posted...

Even if FF wasn’t trending downward LoZ seems to keep getting stronger and stronger here even when it also puts out titles that weren’t exactly beloved

The games have consistently gotten monster acclaim. The detractors of the games in question have always been a vocal minority.

GameFAQs' tastes were more diverse back then. Things like Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto and Halo had some strength. Sure they weren't defeating top Nintendo games/characters, but they added a lot of depth to the contest. As mentioned, Final Fantasy and specific games/characters had top strength. Nowadays, nothing has replaced them while Nintendo remains eternal. This is due to the lack of new blood and in part the diversification of gaming.

charmander6000 posted...

While true, we weren't too far away from Brawl winning the last GotD. Heck, the game that did end up winning likely never comes up in "GotD type" discussions.

I saw Majora's Mask on more "best of the decade" lists than Brawl, or even Melee for that matter. And it tended to rank really high too.

Really if we want the closest thing we have to 'Link is actually maybe vulnerable' it was Mario vs. Bowser holding up way better than they ever have against Link vs. Ganondorf, in what was basically a Series Contest matchup. Things had only been downhill for Zelda since then.

...Until Breath of the Wild happened, and Breath of the Wild 2 is on the horizon.

Guess you are all right. I mean which other company keeps making games that are really good and maybe even better than the ones that have come before?

honestly Link looked pretty vulnerable in 2013 (relatively speaking of course) and if it hadn't been for Draven Snake would've had a real shot at Link in a Link/Snake/Samus final based on their bonus match

Speaking of Link he got defeated by Mario in IGN’s latest character contest. Everybody was expecting Link to win due to BotW

Being an iterative multiplayer series that builds on itself, Smash tends to have its individual games lose popularity over time (being "usurped" by the newest game in the franchise), but those individual games have demonstrated some impressive intra-Nintendo strength in their heyday.

Melee - This is almost certainly still the strongest GameCube game. Doubt that will ever change.

Brawl - Was the strongest Wii game for years. It beat Twilight Princess directly in a games contest. Can it do that again? No, but it raised the Nintendo banner highest for years.

Smash Wii U - Is BotW considered a Wii U game? If so, this is the #2 for that console. If not, it's the clear #1.

Ultimate - Relative to other games on its console, this is probably the weakest Smash since 64. Obviously, that says a hell of a lot more about BotW and Odyssey than anything else.

swordz9 posted...

Speaking of Link he got defeated by Mario in IGN’s latest character contest. Everybody was expecting Link to win due to BotW

Is there a bracket I can see?

People like to think Nintendo doing well is a GameFAQs thing, but any general gaming site would have Nintendo characters doing well.

swordz9 posted...

Speaking of Link he got defeated by Mario in IGN’s latest character contest. Everybody was expecting Link to win due to BotW

I'm not just gonna sit around and accept THIS

LeonhartFour posted...

excuse me the Villains Contest was the 5th contest

Haha, you got me, I knew that would come up. Of course, Sephiroth wins the Sephiroth contest but when you look elsewhere within it...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2004-triforce-division-round-1-kuja-vs-master-hand

swordz9 posted...

Even if FF wasn’t trending downward LoZ seems to keep getting stronger and stronger here even when it also puts out titles that weren’t exactly beloved

Not beloved in the broader context of the franchise maybe. ut we're still talking about critically acclaimed games that people like and sell millions of copies. There has never been a Zelda Dark Age. I don't think anybody here will say you can point to a period of Zelda and say it compares to 2007-2014 FF in terms of decline from the peak.

However, with that said, it is worth mentioning that the weakest stretch for Nintendo while the site has been a thing (2011-2015) saw barely any contests, two of which got rally shenaniganed (one of these being threeways) and the other was the Rivalry Rumble. So we never really got to see what a declined Nintendo could look like. Link did slightly underperform on Cloud in 2010 when we were starting to see that turn, but we never saw it in full swing.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESxYNHYXgAAMJEk.jpg

That one doesn’t show the winners or anything, but that’s how it started. Having trouble finding an image where it shows who won each round. Before it was the final of Link vs Mario I believe it was Link vs Master Chief and Mario vs Doom Guy. Kratos was also quite strong in it.