Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1350

How much would spider man need on dmc5

Let’s not forget the potential for SFF between Odyssey and Shovel Knight of course.

_SecretSquirrel posted...

I would imagine there was no motive to try to get them to rally, since nobody has Shovel Knight over Odyssey.

And here lies one of the biggest problems with rallies -- the motive. There are a lot of rallies started because somebody wants to be proven right in the hopes of prizes or bragging rights rather than because it's someone's favorite game.

Well, at least you can't put that one on Bloodborne.

HaRRicH posted...

And here lies one of the biggest problems with rallies -- the motive. There are a lot of rallies started because somebody wants to be proven right in the hopes of prizes or bragging rights rather than because it's someone's favorite game.

I'd almost prefer people rallying for their bracket over people just doing it for the sheer f*** of it. How much of a basement dwelling mouthbreather do you have to be to care that much about validating your s***ty opinions?

@HaRRicH This is not true. All rallid contest winners had less than 3% support to win the whole thing yet they did that with rallies.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Well, at least you can't put that one on Bloodborne.

Pretty sure the R2 rally for Bloodborne was created for bracket purposes, the same guy created multiple other rallies.

That said, I think discussing the motivation of the rally author is a bit silly. What makes the rally are the people who join it, and they all do it because they love the game.

I dunno, if you want a game to win a match, it makes sense if you'd want to go alert people to it.

This is really showing how big of a gap there is between BotW and SMO/Smash. Hard to imagine BotW doesn't hit mid 70s with Spiderman and 80 with Shovel Knight.

squexa posted...

This is really showing how big of a gap there is between BotW and SMO/Smash. Hard to imagine BotW doesn't hit mid 70s with Spiderman and 80 with Shovel Knight.

Time for 'oh my god what' perspective.

In order for BotW = Smash, Dead Space 2 needs 58.15% on FFXV.

I hope we get some 2005-era IT'S FREAKIN SMASH BROS Factor next round (against the originator of said Factor!) because today, Smash looks like the much weaker performer indirectly.

Edit: and I think we could get it. There's no chance in hell I take Spidey over Link Between Worlds, so Smash may have already shown us some healthy SFF last round. If it can do it against (handheld) Zelda, then console Mario may not be beyond its grasp.

What were the % of yesterday's matches without rallies

CaptainOfCrush posted...

I hope we get some 2005-era IT'S FREAKIN SMASH BROS Factor next round (against the originator of said Factor!) because today, Smash looks like the much weaker performer indirectly.

Mario is looking at the pretender to the title of biggest rSFF operator in the site and chuckling.

Mario didn't rSFF Samus

Leonhart4 posted...

Mario didn't rSFF Samus

Yes he did.

Disagree.

Also would like to remind that Bowser, another Mario character, rSSFed Kirby, another character whose strength comes largely from Smash.

Characters whose strength depend on Smash seem to fold very quickly when facing Mario characters.

Nah, he looked stronger in 2005 and they looked about the same in 2018.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Disagree.

Also would like to remind that Bowser, another Mario character, rSSFed Kirby, another character whose strength comes largely from Smash.

Characters whose strength depend on Smash seem to fold very quickly when facing Mario characters.

But did he?

That's the thing. It would kinda make sense if he did based on our preconceived notions, but the anomaly could be elsewhere, like Kirby SFFing Phoenix.

There is no way Kirby didn't SFF Phoenix.

Leonhart4 posted...

Mario didn't rSFF Samus

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Yes he did.

Either way, Smash will probably need to, as I'm now looking at two performances where Mario has looked indirectly stronger.

If we assume that Smash = Mario indirectly, then ol' Spidey gets a clean 60/40 on DMC5. How many of us are really confident that would happen.

Oh right, our preconceived notions could be wrong, too.

It's so hard to fathom I forgot to even say it!

If Smash needs rSFF, it ain't winning.

I've got a lot of faith in Spidey myself. Did we change our tune about DMC5 because it beat DKC? Because I figure most of us thought it wasn't worth much.

For all we know Minecraft could be stronger than Shovel Knight and DMC5.

I mean, it probably carries a healthy amount of contest title boost. Maybe.

Enough to beat Minecraft!

I think we still secretely hope Donnkey Kong is legit.

Well, Minecraft did get artificially boosted by the rally fest last round, too.

Don't think Mario rSFFd Samus at all.

I dunno Samus was putting such dominating performances in that contest.

Then suddenly she hits Mario and crashes.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

I dunno Samus was putting such dominating performances in that contest.

Then suddenly she hits Mario and crashes.

You know who else was putting such dominating performances in that contest?

Mario.

Now I believe they were relatively equal that year and Mario just curbstomped her with SFF for some reason, which he hasn't ever really been able to replicate (which is all the more reason for me to believe it wasn't rSFF).

But yeah the point where we don't know how to spot the anomaly is legit.

For all we know there could be more than one case of SFF in each sequence, each contributing to the weirdness.

Mario and Samus seemed so close indirectly that the SFF/rSFF terms kinda lose their meaning to me.

Mario gets 57% on Snake
Samus gets 56% on Snake
Mario gets 60% on Samus

or

Mario gets 57% on Snake
Samus gets 58% on Snake
Mario gets 60% on Samus

Are the two scenarios really THAT extremely different?

Leonhart4 posted...

You know who else was putting such dominating performances in that contest?

Mario.

Now I believe they were relatively equal that year and Mario just curbstomped her with SFF for some reason, which he hasn't ever really been able to replicate (which is all the more reason for me to believe it wasn't rSFF).

The problem is how they each performed on Tifa/Seph. Which were about the same. Then Tifa went and actually beat Seph. But when Samus went against Mario, the stats reverse.

Sure, maybe TIfa was the one who rSFF Seph. Who knows.

Mario put up 60%+ and Samus got 57-58%, so again, about the same.

Leonhart4 posted...

Mario put up 60%+ and Samus got 57-58%, so again, about the same.

If you are referring to Tifa/Seph, Mario put up 59.25% and Samus put 58.95%.

Or maybe Samus is the one who blocked Tifa's porn rally based strength.

Huh, closer than I remember, although Tifa did like half a percent better in the rematch. Regardless, Seph and Tifa were close enough that internal fanbase preference could affect that match. It's not like Tifa curbstomped him.

Ok then I'll concede it's impossible to prove if it was rSFF or normal SFF.

My original point is still that Mario tends to use the hierarchy to dominate anything that is not from the Zelda series. Including a long sequence of Smash characters.

The voters are legit, no problems there, but many of the rally-makers -- not all -- are looking for personal gain in these rallies. MAH BRACKETS to the extreme, like when Ulti picked Monika to win a contest with the gameplan of trying to rally for her.

Monika was the first and probably last time i ever picked based on a rally. Luckily i only took her 2 rounds.

I don't regret doing the RE2 push last night. Especially after BB thing happened. Won't try to argue the morality of it, I just wanted to save my poor bracket.

I'm not going to rally for Odyssey vs Smash though. This is a personal fight. I want to be right, not just to win.

HaRRicH posted...

The voters are legit, no problems there, but many of the rally-makers -- not all -- are looking for personal gain in these rallies. MAH BRACKETS to the extreme, like when Ulti picked Monika to win a contest with the gameplan of trying to rally for her.

Yes, most don't rally just for the sake of a favorite because you'd rather them win on their own merits.

I thought the consensus was that Mario boosted between '04 and '05.

Bloodborne had no right winning the match so you did the right thing.

*checks results*

Yah no, no one's getting me to stick with Smash > Odyssey next round

Even if Spiderman is stronger than SK it ain't THAT much stronger

MechanicalWall posted...

*checks results*

Yah no, no one's getting me to stick with Smash > Odyssey next round

Even if Spiderman is stronger than SK it ain't THAT much stronger

It currently needs 62.4% on SK, specifically.

Have we considered that Spider-Man is one of the best games of the decade

Maybe it's just me but i think Spiderman gets over 60% on SK.

davidponte posted...

Have we considered that Spider-Man is one of the best games of the decade

It wasn't even in the top 5 games the year it came out in my humble opinion

I do wonder if voters are giving Odyssey 'Game of the Decade' consideration points that Ultimate isn't getting on account of being a very iterative sequel.

do you guys think that Spider Man beats Arkham City?

Based on the results, this is actually the round that gives me the best confidence in Smash > Odyssey...

but then you take potential SFF into consideration in Shovel Knight and Odyssey and then it doesn't look as good.

Still think it's hillarious that the Yachy Club Games twitter account answered to the next opponent being Odyssey along the lines of "Yes, great game, but we must support our beloved Shovel Knight even if it means the fall of our favorite mustached man!" and then seemingly forgets completely.