Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1350

TsunamiXXVIII posted...

Wow, how can an opinion be so bad? NSMB1 was absolute trash. NSMB2 wasn't great, but it was at least decent.

Also, I could turn your statement around since NSMB1 came out last decade. Your statement is worse because without even having to remember the exact release date of NSMB2, it's a 3DS game so 2011 at the earliest. So your statement is invalid because the real worst Mario game came out in 2010!

Nah It was that bad i forgot what system it came out.

tbh even the first is average. Too many copy pasted levels and 0 innovation. Dull boring games. NSMB2 coud very well be a DS game..thats how forgetful it was.

What a fun match that was, too bad i had Bloodborne winning this division. This will cost me some points.

TsunamiXXVIII posted...

Wow, how can an opinion be so bad? NSMB1 was absolute trash. NSMB2 wasn't great, but it was at least decent.

Also, I could turn your statement around since NSMB1 came out last decade. Your statement is worse because without even having to remember the exact release date of NSMB2, it's a 3DS game so 2011 at the earliest. So your statement is invalid because the real worst Mario game came out in 2010!

Nsmb1 is like... fine, just sort of uninteresting. It’s like they set out to make the most just ok game ever. There was no spark.

and then NSMB2 somehow felt even more phoned in.

I wouldn’t say either of them is bad since it’s still Mario and Mario is inherently fun, but I think they’re safely my bottom two Mario platformers.

MoogleKupo141 posted...

Nsmb1 is like... fine, just sort of uninteresting. It’s like they set out to make the most just ok game ever. There was no spark.

and then NSMB2 somehow felt even more phoned in.

I wouldn’t say either of them is bad since it’s still Mario and Mario is inherently fun, but I think they’re safely my bottom two Mario platformers.

NSMB2 is the only Mario game Nintendo have put out that is below an 80 in average ratings. Critics are usually up Nintendo's rear most of the time but they didn't fall for that rehash.

Gall posted...

Is this is the only time they've faced 1v1 in a contest before?

Besides the aforementioned matches, there's one that wasn't 1v1, but certainly isn't a good sign for Mario: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3492-division-8-round-2-ssbb-gta4-cod-4-s-mario-g

Yuri_LowelI posted...

Brawl hype didn't even start until 2007. So no.

http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/06Spring/06-SnakeStrikesSSB.jpg

Also, Snake didn't just wildly boost out of thin air from 2005 to 2006.

NSMB1 is top tier don't know what you're all on.

MetalmindStats posted...

Besides the aforementioned matches, there's one that wasn't 1v1, but certainly isn't a good sign for Mario: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3492

http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/06Spring/06-SnakeStrikesSSB.jpg

Also, Snake didn't just wildly boost out of thin air from 2005 to 2006.

I mean MGS4 hype also helped. Remember Snake was virtually non existent in MGS3.

But I think Smash's popularity was heavily driven by Melee at the time which was really strong.

Yeah I'm in the camp of NSMB has no spark.

It's fun, but feels like the most generic mario game ever.

Yuri_LowelI posted...

Brawl hype didn't even start until 2007. So no.

Brawl hyped started with E3 2006 with the first trailer and the Solid Snake reveal

lordjers posted...

NSMB1 is top tier don't know what you're all on.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7756-whats-your-all-time-favorite-modern-2d-super-mario-game

I mean its the best of an average bunch. Not including the Mario MAker games which can't be compared to the 2D mario series. Weird that theyre on there.

MetalmindStats posted...

Besides the aforementioned matches, there's one that wasn't 1v1, but certainly isn't a good sign for Mario: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3492

http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/06Spring/06-SnakeStrikesSSB.jpg

Also, Snake didn't just wildly boost out of thin air from 2005 to 2006.

Man, whatever happened to Aeon and Lucid Faia. Pretty much the only names on that list that I remember that aren't here anymore

also if Shovel Knight = Hollow Knight, BOTW would currently be worth 64.42% on Mario Odyssey

Also, since I missed the post earlier, I want to thank Allen for hosting and staying committed to these contests for so long.

So BotW would break 80%

So i'm going through the every Gamefaqs poll with NSMB games on it just for the sake of it and My Conclusion is...

...Noone gives two s***s about this series. Only 1 contest appearance and it flopped in just about every GOTY poll it was in..

I mean...I equate NSMB series to MK....they are both casual Nintendo franchises the hardcore don't care about as much but MK has powerful nostalgic heavy games like SMK and MK64 that have legit strength wheras NSMB will never ever have any strength in the future. MK8 would also destroy every NSMB game 1v1 too. Hell Double Dash probably would and Double Dash sucked.

pjbasis posted...

So BotW would break 80%

Id say it gets 68-72 against Odyssey. 68 being some what SFF resistant and 72 being the high end. Indirectly BOTW i suspect isn't more than 62-65

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/189706-nintendo-switch/78537308

this is from the nintendo board

Steve_Jobs_Son posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/189706-nintendo-switch/78537308

this is from the nintendo board

LOL Mario Kart 8 Deluxe as the 1 seed

LeonhartFour posted...

LOL Mario Kart 8 Deluxe as the 1 seed

There are like 3 switch games, is that a surprise?

Steve_Jobs_Son posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/189706-nintendo-switch/78537308

this is from the nintendo board

Having been around the switch board for years thats a very good % for Smash.

Surprised Fire Emblem isn't in the final seeing as how many people Bum that game. IT did lose to smash by 1 vote though.

LeonhartFour posted...

LOL Mario Kart 8 Deluxe as the 1 seed

If seeding is determined by sales figures, that makes sense.

Seanchan posted...

There's a very real chance the division finalists will be the 1 and 2 seeds in Division 1, 3, 5, and 7 and the 1 and 3 seeds in Division 2, 4, 6, and 8.

well theres a slim chance for a 5 and 3 or 2 if Persona gets past GTAV. IF that happens Star of the contest so far has to go to Persona Golden for being the lowest Seeded game in the Division Finals.

_SecretSquirrel posted...

If seeding is determined by sales figures, that makes sense.

I think it was. MK8 is the best selling Switch game. Period.

Yuri_LowelI posted...

So i'm going through the every Gamefaqs poll with NSMB games on it just for the sake of it and My Conclusion is...

...Noone gives two s***s about this series. Only 1 contest appearance and it flopped in just about every GOTY poll it was in..

I mean...I equate NSMB series to MK....they are both casual Nintendo franchises the hardcore don't care about as much but MK has powerful nostalgic heavy games like SMK and MK64 that have legit strength wheras NSMB will never ever have any strength in the future. MK8 would also destroy every NSMB game 1v1 too. Hell Double Dash probably would and Double Dash sucked.

I think the first ones were a pretty big deal when they came out, as the last true 2D Mario game was uhh... SMW (or if you count SML2 that's almost the same time gap)? Then NSMB2 made them made lose momentum, and then NSMBU didn't bring much needed freshness to the series, even though I've heard it's pretty good and it may just be the best. They may just have suffered from AC/CoD syndrome as the sequels started feeling derivative (as good as they are), specially considering the big differences that exist between the run from SMB1 to SMW.

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

There are like 3 switch games, is that a surprise?

there are like seven first party switch games in this contest (rounding MK8 up to MK8 deluxe)

and like a third of the games in the bracket are on switch (probably, I did absolutely no actual math)

ok now let's be 100 mk8 isnt a switch game 🤷‍♂

lordjers posted...

I think the first ones were a pretty big deal when they came out, as the last true 2D Mario game was uhh... SMW (or if you count SML2 that's almost the same time gap)? Then NSMB2 made them made lose momentum, and then NSMBU didn't bring much needed freshness to the series, even though I've heard it's pretty good and it may just be the best. They may just have suffered from AC/CoD syndrome as the sequels started feeling derivative (as good as they are), specially considering the big differences that exist between the run from SMB1 to SMW.

You're right about the COd syndrome

3D Mario games have refreshed and become more beloved due to the innovations and originality be it in its mechanics or structure. Even 2D and 3D World were new.

But the NSMB games all played the same all had very similar bosses/enemies gameplay design and the only novelty was coop.

Also the reason i disliked NSMB2 so much because it was the first Mario Game i had played and stopped playing and did not finish. NSMB1 was a decent experience at the time and i finished it. I didn't finish a single NSMB game after that and the reason is boredom or losing interest in them. They offered nothing but recycled experience with a slightly shinier coat of paint. I.e..your yearly COD

Should've replaced some fodder with Mario Maker for more competetive matches

gamer man posted...

ok now let's be 100 mk8 isnt a switch game 🤷‍♂

it has sold like 15 million more copies on the switch than on the Wii U.
It may have released first on Wii U, but MK8 will be remembered as a Switch game.

SSBU/SMO will be good. SMO definitely looked better in Round 1, but the past two rounds are leaning SSBU since it has tougher opponents.

My big question mark is how will SSBU play in this battle of Nintendo hierarchy, so here are the contest polls with SSB games facing other Nintendo games:

Melee:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3469-division-6-round-1-disgaea-fire-emblem-ssbm-zelda-ww
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3489-division-6-round-2-diablo-iilod-halo-ssbm-zelda-ww
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3504-contest-quarterfinal-zelda-oot-pokemon-ssbm-ffx
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4183-east-division-final-smash-bros-melee-vs-smash-bros-brawl
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6117-best-game-ever-day-17-round-2-smash-bros-melee-vs-pokemon
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6178-best-game-ever-bonus-smash-bros-melee-vs-super-mario-rpg

Brawl:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3492-division-8-round-2-ssbb-gta4-cod-4-s-mario-g
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3505-contest-quarterfinal-zelda-tp-re4-ssbb-mgs4
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3507-contest-semifinal-zelda-oot-ffx-mgs4-ssbb
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4092-east-division-round-1-smash-bros-brawl-vs-mario-kart-ds
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4170-east-division-round-3-pokemon-platinum-vs-smash-bros-brawl
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4190-final-rounds-quarterfinal-smash-bros-brawl-vs-zelda-twilight
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4195-game-of-the-decade-super-smash-bros-brawl-vs-the-legend-of

Ultimate:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7987-division-3-round-2-super-smash-bros-ultimate-vs-zelda-link

Series:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2451-mushroom-division-final-super-mario-bros-vs-super-smash-bros

My thoughts: It's Ultimate's match to lose. Melee, Brawl, SSB4WiiU, and arguably SSB43DS were the strongest games of their systems. Ultimate is a GotY-winner that just got done nearly doubling a GotY-winner -- one that was also the #2 LoZ-game this decade -- and Ultimate has also recently become the best-selling fighting game of all time. I expect Odyssey to be stronger than the Galaxy games -- 2017 isn't done impressing yet -- but we haven't seen Mario have a bigger game than a Smash game on a system since the Nintendo 64 and Ultimate out-seeded Odyssey.

Super Mario can still be #2 on the overall Nintendo hierarchy, but Smash has been #1 or #2 of the past twenty years for Nintendo. Odyssey's the one that has to prove itself here more than Ultimate..

I wouldn't be surprised if Odyssey got 55+% in that match.

Went from 24th place to 20th. Eeking my way back up.

Dabrikishaw15 posted...

Went from 24th place to 20th. Eeking my way back up.

gj @Dabrikishaw15 ! I'm happy just to have 117 points and be in the 90th percentile

MechanicalWall posted...

Question for math dudes

What does Spiderman have to get on DMCV for Smash = Odyssey

currently 58.87%

I think perhaps Yacht Club Games forgot about us. Not that it would make a real difference.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I think perhaps Yacht Club Games forgot about us. Not that it would make a real difference.

I would imagine there was no motive to try to get them to rally, since nobody has Shovel Knight over Odyssey.

Mass Effect 2 vs. Horizon Zero Dawn
Registered Vote Result:
Mass Effect 2 - 5077 (56.35%)
Horizon Zero Dawn - 3933 (43.65%)

Anonymous Vote Result:
Mass Effect 2 - 4595 (52.58%)
Horizon Zero Dawn - 4144 (47.42%)

Resident Evil 2 vs. Bloodborne
Registered Vote Result:
Resident Evil 2 - 4671 (51.84%)
Bloodborne - 4340 (48.16%)

Anonymous Vote Result:
Resident Evil 2 - 4079 (46.71%)
Bloodborne - 4653 (53.29%)

Resident Evil 2 did about 5% better with registered users, but that was due to the Bloodborne rally. We also got our first result of the contest where the registered user bonus actually flipped the winner of the match, as Bloodborne won in the total raw vote. It was also the first time the registered user bonus made a difference in holding off a rally.

Mass Effect 2 did almost 4% better with registered users. While it makes sense that Horizon had a better chance of benefiting from the Bloodborne rally (as a fellow PS4 game), Horizon did better with anonymous users in both round 1 and round 2 and this remained true for this match too.

As a result of losing 2 hours off this match, we likely lost about 1000 to 1500 votes because of it. That makes estimating the size of the rally even harder as we naturally lost votes because of the late match start. The percentage of registered users was around 50.78% even with the rally, but the votes we lost from the late match start would have affected anonymous users more than registered users. So our percentage of registered users might have been otherwise higher than expected for a normal round 3 match with no rallies. I will estimate the size of the Bloodborne rally at about 800 to 1200 votes, which is smaller than the round 2 rally that didn't get deleted by the subreddit mods.

Extra info and past results - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kFS3SfH6sAhPdS85H7BpuFIkr9SayeF7AhMw-wrEBng/pub

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

There are like 3 switch games, is that a surprise?

...Well that’s a take.

I am starting to wonder if BT lives in an alternate world where nothing has changed in the last three years.

_SecretSquirrel posted...

I would imagine there was no motive to try to get them to rally, since nobody has Shovel Knight over Odyssey.

Well, it's just that they said themselves they would do it.

RE2 winning just saved this contest.

So woke up, checked the results. What happened? When I went to sleep yesterday with less than 1 hour for the match to end Bloodborne was winning. Did that Moonroof guy brought the votes?

@Zenithian_Legend It is not possible to not have played some of these games unless you are not a gamer. What kind of games you play?

I mean, the most Bloodborne could've been ahead when you went to sleep then is by 26 votes and they had been back and fourth for hours.

Well, he claims so, and Ulti has verified it, but does not appear to want to prove it.

thank freaking goodness RE!

shane15 posted...

RE2 winning just saved this contest.

Absolutely.

listen i like bloodborne but if youre going to win like that then losing is what you deserve. The fanboys deserved to lose.

Safer_777 posted...

So woke up, checked the results. What happened? When I went to sleep yesterday with less than 1 hour for the match to end Bloodborne was winning. Did that Moonroof guy brought the votes?

@Zenithian_Legend It is not possible to not have played some of these games unless you are not a gamer. What kind of games you play?

bloodborne was only winning due to a successful and pretty strong rally. Without it and RE wins easily with a 1000 vote gap

_SecretSquirrel posted...

I would imagine there was no motive to try to get them to rally, since nobody has Shovel Knight over Odyssey.

if it was a close 55-45 or less sure. This thing needs an undertale style push and thats not going to happen. sk is also an old game. Undertale had the benifit of being new and relevant

Also is Odyssey beating Smash based on today?

Right now, Spider-Man needs to get 62% on SK for Smash to win against Mario.

That said, the fact Mario and Smash is an SFF may skew these results in either direction regardless of previous ones.

I can see Spider-Man doing that well against Shovel Knight. SK's entire fourpack is probably pretty awful strength-wise.

I really, really want Odyssey to beat Ultimate, but I just can't see it.