Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1347

KamikazePotato posted...

By the way, props to Ori and the Blind Forest for being easily the most unexpectedly strong indie game in the contest. So many of the indie games we expected to be 'mid-range' for their weight class ended up being worth nothing. Ori's the only exception.

Think Shovel Knight beats Ori, but they're both fantastic games

Yuri_LowelI posted...

i mean i made this point as well but then i realised something

its been free for PSN plus users before.

sure but presumably there are people who are PS+ users now who weren’t then

ctesjbuvf posted...

Also, this might surprise some but not everyone with a Playstation has PS+.

no but journey is free for everyone regardless now i think

but it doesnt really matter. Most ps4 users do if they play online

So ONE indie game will make round 3, and it's the one who developer-rallied. Nice.

It is free for everyone yes.

MoogleKupo141 posted...

sure but presumably there are people who are PS+ users now who weren’t then

But I've seen a lot of comments assuming it's free for PS+ users.

MechanicalWall posted...

Uncharted 4 WAS free on PS Plus when its match happened

So Uncharted 4 massively overperformed against MK8 and is actually much weaker than that match suggests? Interesting.

Mac Arrowny posted...

So Uncharted 4 massively overperformed against MK8 and is actually much weaker than that match suggests? Interesting.

I'm not claiming being free means s***. Maybe a half percent at absolute most.

Honestly, if we want a better reason for Journey to possibly be overperforming on Skyrim, I think FFVII was a bad match for it in 2015, being a Sony exclusive and all.

FFVII is not a Sony exclusive.

The real reason is probably a mix of Skyrim antivotes and Journey being as different as it gets.

yeah MK8 is going to finish under 60% by the time this is done

LeonhartFour posted...

yeah MK8 is going to finish under 60% by the time this is done

This being hour 1?

So which indie game is the strongest of them all?

ctesjbuvf posted...

FFVII is not a Sony exclusive.

Not anymore, but I don't think GameFAQs is filled with people who played it for the first time on the Switch or PC versions.

Idk why the simple answer of 'Skyrim lost a bit of its swagger' is hard to accept

It's been nine years since it came out and plenty of open world games have been considered improvements, most notably BotW and Witcher. Not to mention Bethesda's name being dragged through the mud. Three or four points weaker than it was isn't exactly mindblowing to me

Team Rocket Elite posted...

So which indie game is the strongest of them all?

Shovel Knight, Hollow Knight, Cuphead, or Stardew Valley
Undertale and Ori are on a close-but-second tier

KamikazePotato posted...

By the way, props to Ori and the Blind Forest for being easily the most unexpectedly strong indie game in the contest. So many of the indie games we expected to be 'mid-range' for their weight class ended up being worth nothing. Ori's the only exception.

Ori isn't an indie game. It's literally published by Microsoft

_SecretSquirrel posted...

Not anymore, but I don't think GameFAQs is filled with people who played it for the first time on the Switch or PC versions.

I'd think about as many played it on PC counting emulators. Forgot it was released on Switch and XBONE.

But you may be right!

Yuri_LowelI posted...

divinity is an indie game?

It was a Kickstarter game and I saw it on this site:

https://www.indiegamewebsite.com/tag/divinity-original-sin-2/

Feel free to correct otherwise.

Trend charts:

Time | Souls | Rocket | Votes | Demographic
EBV | 71.34% | 28.66% | 478 | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 75.59% | 24.41% | 3122 | (0:00-1:00)
ENV | 78.00% | 22.00% | 7932 | (1:00-6:00)
DNV | 76.56% | 23.44% | 3532 | (6:00-11:00)
TMV | 77.29% | 22.71% | 4958 | (11:00-17:00)
TDV | 77.99% | 22.01% | 4921 | (17:00-24:00)

Dark Souls surprisingly does its worst during the dead of night.

Time | Yakuza | MGSV | Votes | Demographic
EBV | 42.05% | 57.95% | 478 | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 45.10% | 54.90% | 3124 | (0:00-1:00)
ENV | 43.48% | 56.52% | 7930 | (1:00-6:00)
DNV | 44.82% | 55.18% | 3530 | (6:00-11:00)
TMV | 41.12% | 58.88% | 4968 | (11:00-17:00)
TDV | 40.24% | 59.76% | 4921 | (17:00-24:00)

Huh, MGSV with a good day vote again. That's interesting.

Time | Batman | Infinite | Votes | Demographic
EBV | 63.60% | 36.40% | 478 | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 59.80% | 40.20% | 3122 | (0:00-1:00)
ENV | 61.30% | 38.70% | 7940 | (1:00-6:00)
DNV | 58.63% | 41.37% | 3524 | (6:00-11:00)
TMV | 58.16% | 41.84% | 4962 | (11:00-17:00)
TDV | 59.97% | 40.03% | 4921 | (17:00-24:00)

Batman goes above 60% early on but slowly falls off as the match drags on.

Time | Diablo | TLOU | Votes | Demographic
EBV | 34.52% | 65.48% | 478 | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 35.55% | 64.45% | 3122 | (0:00-1:00)
ENV | 37.31% | 62.69% | 7936 | (1:00-6:00)
DNV | 36.80% | 63.20% | 3530 | (6:00-11:00)
TMV | 36.25% | 63.75% | 4968 | (11:00-17:00)
TDV | 36.94% | 63.06% | 4921 | (17:00-24:00)

TLOU consistently sucks.

MechanicalWall posted...

Idk why the simple answer of 'Skyrim lost a bit of its swagger' is hard to accept

It's been nine years since it came out and plenty of open world games have been considered improvements, most notably BotW and Witcher. Not to mention Bethesda's name being dragged through the mud. Three or four points weaker than it was isn't exactly mindblowing to me

I think I don't expect us to be the site to appreciate new improvements.

But Bethesda's name is the reason I've said.

_SecretSquirrel posted...

Not anymore, but I don't think GameFAQs is filled with people who played it for the first time on the Switch or PC versions.

i mean my first time playing was on the PC back in the late 90’s.

HaRRicH posted...

It was a Kickstarter game and I saw it on this site:

https://www.indiegamewebsite.com/tag/divinity-original-sin-2/

Feel free to correct otherwise.

is Shenmue III an indie game

Stooge1969 posted...

Ori isn't an indie game. It's literally published by Microsoft

Developed by a small studio, published by Microsoft as part of their indie publishing program, same as Cuphead

Stooge1969 posted...

Ori isn't an indie game. It's literally published by Microsoft

it is an indie game made by an indie dev who happen to be owned by MSnow

Larian (Divinity dev) has been around for a while and even landed Baldur's Gate III I dunno if I'd say they're indie.

MechanicalWall posted...

Idk why the simple answer of 'Skyrim lost a bit of its swagger' is hard to accept

It's been nine years since it came out and plenty of open world games have been considered improvements, most notably BotW and Witcher. Not to mention Bethesda's name being dragged through the mud. Three or four points weaker than it was isn't exactly mindblowing to me

i mean skyrim has dropped to the point of now being threatened by souls and a clear underdog against witcher

skyrim peaked in 2015 where it got bearly 60 on goldeneye and narrowly beat metroid prime. .

its not the same game

its best to just bow out graciously to geralt. Botw would obliterate it

It's a little different in that I've heard of Shenmue for decades at this point, but I mean if Shenmue 3 was in this contest I would have also Google'd "Is Shenmue 3 an indie game" and gone by a quick glance of top results (which apparently says yes).

Indie means developed by an independent team not associated with a major studio. In Shenmue's case, its published by Sega, but developed by an indie studio not owned by Sega

Yikes. Not the result I was hoping to see tonight from Nier.

xp1337 posted...

Larian (Divinity dev) has been around for a while and even landed Baldur's Gate III I dunno if I'd say they're indie.

Yeah Larian's been around since 1996. It's only indie if you use a very liberal sense of a word, in which case Obsidian would be indie as well, since they used Kickstarter too for Pillars of Eternity.

squexa posted...

Yikes. Not the result I was hoping to see tonight from Nier.

A complete ass whooping of a game that would destroy Rayman? This is basically confirming Nier > Pokemon

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

A complete ass whooping of a game that would destroy Rayman? This is basically confirming Nier > Pokemon

I hope you are right, but I don't know. I'm more bearish on Rayman/Celeste than others here, but I'm not very confident in Divinity either.

well I'd definitely take Bayo 2 over Rayman and Celeste, and Divinity apparently isn't that much worse than Bayo 2

Yuri_LowelI posted...

it is an indie game made by an indie dev who happen to be owned by MSnow

but that means it isn't an indie game. an indie game means it's created by a team without the financial support of a large game publisher. ori isn't an indie game by definition.

I hate that I have Uncharted 4 winning against FFXIV, bc otherwise I'm feeling very good about my Div 8 bracket right now.

Stooge1969 posted...

but that means it isn't an indie game. an indie game means it's created by a team without the financial support of a large game publisher. ori isn't an indie game by definition.

The game was developed by Moon Studios, a collective organization without a set location. The distribution rights to the game were acquired by Microsoft Studios a year after the beginning of the game's development. The game story was inspired by The Lion King and The Iron Giant, while some of the gameplay elements were inspired by the Rayman and Metroid franchises.

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ori_and_the_Blind_Forest

KamikazePotato posted...

Shovel Knight, Hollow Knight, Cuphead, or Stardew Valley
Undertale and Ori are on a close-but-second tier

One thing I've noticed with the indies is that the platformer indies have generally been a disappointment in terms of strength. Shovel Knight and Cuphead are the strongest platformer indies we have, and the rest of them all seem to be well below those two.

Would people count Cadence of Hyrule and Metroid: Samus Returns to be indie games, since they were made by independent studios and published by Nintendo?

Mac Arrowny posted...

Would people count Cadence of Hyrule and Metroid: Samus Returns to be indie games, since they were made by independent studios and published by Nintendo?

No because they are licensed games

I know it's still a little early, but...

RE2 vs. Bloodborne, who ya got?

Bloodborne

Indie as a term has been used for decades in the music industry and it has the same connotation. When a band signs for a major label it's not longer "indie"

I have RE2 in my bracket and I could see it happening.

But I'm not feeling sure about it, mostly not after Bloodborne showed it can rally quite well while even being ahead.

Neither Dark Souls game impressing me helps though.

CantSeeForMiles posted...

Indie as a term has been used for decades in the music industry and it has the same connotation. When a band signs for a major label it's not longer "indie"

It's still a grey area to me. Microsoft acquired the rights a year or so after development began.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Neither Dark Souls game impressing me helps though.

Dark Souls 1 made me seriously doubt my TLOU > DS pick.

ctesjbuvf posted...

It's still a grey area to me. Microsoft acquired the rights a year or so after development began.

How long before the release was that?

Advokaiser posted...

Dark Souls 1 made me seriously doubt my TLOU > DS pick.

I'm doubting that same pick lol, but it was TLoU that made me do it.

I mean, it didn't disappoint either, but I don't think it looked to have boosted as much as it could've and thought it was lucky to have gotten a seemingly weaker TLoU and not GoW instead.

Team Rocket Elite posted...

How long before the release was that?

I had to look that up. Three years it would seem according to Wikipedia.

More than I thought.

Advokaiser posted...

I know it's still a little early, but...

RE2 vs. Bloodborne, who ya got?

I am going to rally my ass off for Bloodborne, I can tell you that much.

Stooge1969 posted...

It's still a grey area to me. Microsoft acquired the rights a year or so after development began.

I think a case could be made that Ori should count as an indie game as long as Microsoft didn't provide financial support to help the studio complete their development of the game. If the game was developed with no outside support from big name publishers and all Microsoft did was publish the game, the case for "not an indie game" should go way down.