Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1344

I don't think the Witcher 3 pushed gaming forward. I think RDR2 pushed gaming forward more this gen. Fallout: New Vegas had better sidequests than the Witcher 3

I also think BotW sucks (all open world game suck), but that I at least understand and I think it's great that so many people are into it and how much joy it brought.

Two completely show my ass on stream, f*** Rockstar and f*** westerns. Cowboys suck. John Wayne can eat it.

But that's just me!

Also since you love to throw "objectivity" around, please watch both these videos. even if you dislike BoTW, you HAVE to accept the things it does that pretty much completely blow out the rest of the open world game genre

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVPXKdSEGNQ (click to expand) 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEGWtyJAkO0 

i'm not picking on horizon btw. swap it with Witcher or skyrim and they fare just as badly

there is a reason BoTW is highly regarded enough to win the best of decade lists compilation at metacritic by a landslide. personal taste will often overshadow all else, i can see why some people will never like BoTW, but you have to realize the strides it makes in open world design for gaming in general.

And to further pile on to what people are already saying, yeah, if you try and claim your being "objective" you may as well not even have anything to say. Objectivity is a myth.

I've never enjoyed an open world game as much as BotW, and I've played a lot of them.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Cowboys suck

them's fightin' words, pardner.

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

I guess this comes down to the age old argument. Do you just vote for the game you liked better (like Persona fanboys are doing today), or do you actually factor in what makes a game objectively great?

I think it has more to do with P5 newcomers voting for a game they've never played before, giving it an extra boost.

Also, there's only 3 games that wouldn't be considered controversial picks for GOTD 2000s imo. RE4, HL2, SMG all pretty much universally praised and accepted from what I see. Maybe an outside shot at Prime, MGS3, SOTC

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

How do you beat the final boss when swinging your weapon twice breaks it, and you only have enough inventory slots for 5 more easily breakable clubs?

you raid the castle for 40+ durability weapons and/or weapons that deal 50+ damage per hit (which you would know exist if you played beyond the plateau) and fix a triple attack bonus meal, then you manage your weapons well enough to deal 16,000 damage in the upcoming boss rush without getting hit once

it's so simple you wonder why you even bothered to ask

ElTigreChino posted...

I don't think the Witcher 3 pushed gaming forward. I think RDR2 pushed gaming forward more this gen. Fallout: New Vegas had better sidequests than the Witcher 3

Admittedly I don't think Breath of the Wild has actually had much influence either, despite being such a great game. If anything, the open world games that have come after it like Anthem and Fallout 76 have been going further in the opposite direction towards the slow, progression-based busywork gameplay that BotW stands opposed to.

To be brutally honest, LtM complains about open worlds but a lot of games he loves have quasi-open worlds anyway.

But really complaining about open worlds as if they are a monolithic thing is bizarre. BotW cannot be compared to say, Assassin’s Creed. They are doing completely different things. You might as well compare Baba is You to Tetris because they’re both puzzle games.

RDR is amazing and shouldn’t be losing to a port. And I’d probably vote vanilla P4 over it!

Heropon_Riki posted...

f anything, the open world games that have come after it like Anthem and Fallout 76 have been going further in the opposite direction towards the slow, progression-based busywork gameplay that BotW stands opposed to.

Yeah, and those were two wildly successful games that future companies will be chomping at the bit to emulate!

Heropon_Riki posted...

Admittedly I don't think Breath of the Wild has actually had much influence either, despite being such a great game. If anything, the open world games that have come after it like Anthem and Fallout 76 have been going further in the opposite direction towards the slow, progression-based busywork gameplay that BotW stands opposed to.

Things take time, it’s only 3 years old. Anthem is inspired by Destiny and Fallout 76 is inspired by Rudt, both much older. But RDR2 also fits BotW’s mold, and there are multiple games that are very obviously inspired by it on the way - Gods and Monsters is the big one bug there is also that big indie game that was in a direct too.

Sens-Hangar_18 posted...

I think it has more to do with P5 newcomers voting for a game they've never played before, giving it an extra boost.

Also, there's only 3 games that wouldn't be considered controversial picks for GOTD 2000s imo. RE4, HL2, SMG all pretty much universally praised and accepted from what I see. Maybe an outside shot at Prime, MGS3, SOTC

I don't even know if I would put RE4 at "not controversial", since a subset of RE fans hate it for moving the series towards an action direction and away from a horror direction.

RE4 is controversial in the same way literally anything is controversial, because nothing will ever have a 100% approval rating. RE4 comes close.

KamikazePotato posted...

Yeah, and those were two wildly successful games that future companies will be chomping at the bit to emulate!

I know you're being sarcastic, but those types of games have been getting more and more common, yes. We're finally reaching a point where people are getting sick of them and I'd love to see companies like Bethesda and EA change their tune and start making their open world games focused on fun, freedom, and experimentation like BotW. Whether it will happen remains to be seen though.

Heropon_Riki posted...

Admittedly I don't think Breath of the Wild has actually had much influence either, despite being such a great game. If anything, the open world games that have come after it like Anthem and Fallout 76 have been going further in the opposite direction towards the slow, progression-based busywork gameplay that BotW stands opposed to.

They were also in development before BotW released.

I don't doubt we'll see people try the BotW approach before too long.

AAA games take 3,4,5 years to develop. and thats after a concept has already been made for the game.

you will be seeing open worlds move more into BotW's direction, but it will take time. we've already seen several developers saying it inspired them when they played it.

KamikazePotato posted...

RE4 is controversial in the same way literally anything is controversial, because nothing will ever have a 100% approval rating. RE4 comes close.

RE4 is one of the closest games you can get to a best game ever type of game imo.

Lightning Strikes posted...

Things take time, it’s only 3 years old. Anthem is inspired by Destiny and Fallout 76 is inspired by Rudt, both much older. But RDR2 also fits BotW’s mold, and there are multiple games that are very obviously inspired by it on the way - Gods and Monsters is the big one bug there is also that big indie game that was in a direct too.

Yeah, I suppose open world games do have long development times so games that haven't come out yet might be taking notes. Fingers crossed for Cyberpunk, for instance.

I hold RE4 directly responsible for RE6

@squexa I mean, BOTW would be considered controversial by this standard and it left Dark Souls, Witcher 3, and TLOU in the dust in just about every GOTD list.

KamikazePotato posted...

RE4 is controversial in the same way literally anything is controversial, because nothing will ever have a 100% approval rating. RE4 comes close.

RE4 being close to 100% approval rating might be true on GameFAQs (where I hardly see anything bad about it), but far from true on Resident Evil communities. People s*** on it all the time for leading to the atrocity that is RE5 and RE6 and it's only gotten worse after RE2remake came out.

Sure RE purists hate it but should we really care about people who can't move on from a 15 year old game saving their series from death

the game literally hit puberty before they stopped being upset

FFDragon posted...

I hold RE4 directly responsible for RE6

Honestly RE6 isn't even bad, it's just shackled with the expectations of a RE game which it doesn't fit into at all.

I feel like it would have done much better if it was like, a Platinum Games project titled "Explosion City Meltdown" or something. Go into it with that set of expectations and it's a solid 8/10 campfest.

Someone donate me a Switch pls, I need to play BotW.

(kidding, I'm just waiting for price to go down after the pandemy ends)

I thought RE6 was pretty good. RE5 on the other hand was crap.

squexa posted...

RE4 being close to 100% approval rating might be true on GameFAQs (where I hardly see anything bad about it), but far from true on Resident Evil communities. People s*** on it all the time for leading to the atrocity that is RE5 and RE6 and it's only gotten worse after RE2remake came out.

Again, nothing ever has a 100% approval rating. Purists exist in every community. You know what game has a decent number of purists who dislike it? Breath of the Wild. It's also going to eviscerate the rest of this contest field.

To put it simply, if only 15% (to pull a number out of my ass) of the people who play a game hate it, that's an incredible ratio for a game to have.

RE5 is unironically more fun to play than RE4 imo

squexa posted...

RE4 being close to 100% approval rating might be true on GameFAQs (where I hardly see anything bad about it), but far from true on Resident Evil communities. People s*** on it all the time for leading to the atrocity that is RE5 and RE6 and it's only gotten worse after RE2remake came out.

that just a very vocal and very small minority.

RE4 is very much still considered the best RE in general

you just need to take a quick look at all the articles about the recent RE4 remake rumors and notice how many of them refer to RE4 as "the best resident evil" or "capcom's most acclaimed title", or saying stuff like "what can even be improved", and things of that nature

and the people complaining about RE2 remake are the sort of folk who have their nostalgia glasses literaly bolted into their faces and will never accept anything that isn't clearly abiding by PS1 era limitations / design flaws like the old games were.

What's the difference between "ironically" and "unironically"?

Yeah it goes to show just how good RE4 is when pretty much everyone is like do not touch it because you can't make it better.

shane15 posted...

[BT first said....]

while Brawl had the whole single player mode, and online multiplayer that was actually very good for its time.

Imagine thinking Brawl had good online. It was pure garbage. MKW on the other hand actually had good online.

Thank you, this is exactly my response.

Advokaiser posted...

What's the difference between "ironically" and "unironically"?

unironically is used by certain groups of folks to mean "non jokingly" or "seriously." I've had prolonged exposure to them and that's why I use it that way

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Someone donate me a Switch pls, I need to play BotW.

(kidding, I'm just waiting for price to go down after the pandemy ends)

I was going to jokingly suggest getting a Wii U instead, but even Wii U seems to be sold out most places. Dark times indeed.

Persona 400 Golden

Brawl's online is the second-worst online experience I've ever had.

The first is Ultimate.

HaRRicH posted...

while Brawl had the whole single player mode, and online multiplayer that was actually very good for its time.

Thank you, this is exactly my response.

Even Smash Ultimate has at best mediocre online by 2008 standards. Brawl was unplayably laggy, took several minutes to find a match, and was limited to a terrible ruleset that nobody in the world plays if you didn't have someone's unnecessarily long friend code.

also I am one of like 10 people who hasn't played one of the 5.2 million RE4 ports

KamikazePotato posted...

Brawl's online is the second-worst online experience I've ever had.

The first is Ultimate.

You fought a Link main didn't you? My condolences.

Heropon_Riki posted...

You fought a Link main didn't you? My condolences.

Online Links aren't even that overbearing in Ultimate IMO

You're looking for Samus. Or Ness. f*** Ness.

FFDragon posted...

I hold RE4 directly responsible for RE6

This is a completely fair gripe, but it goes farther than that. RE4 took the series away from being survival horror into a pure action genre -- totally fair criticism.

MechanicalWall posted...

Online Links aren't even that overbearing in Ultimate IMO

You're looking for Samus. Or Ness. f*** Ness.

Oh my god just play DDD and hit the B button if you're against nothing but spammers. Or a reflect character. Or Isabelle. Spammers are not the problem. The latency is.

Online Ness isn't the absolute worst but he's the most common. Online Samus is not as common but worse, and online Sonic is god-tier BS but thankfully isn't used often.

For Ultimate though, aside from the rampant connection issues, it's just a broken online system. You can get consistently matched up with rulesets you don't want, the Elite Smash requirements are nonsensical, user-created Arenas don't allow you to do anything in a quick fashion and close if the original creator leaves...almost everything about the online infrastructure is wrong. Nintendo is making mistakes that games from the late 90s had already solved.

Online Ultimate is dogs*** in general

As someone who actually IS a 'competitive snob' and places top 8 at some Michigan tournaments, this quarantine has made me realize you just can't practice online

If Smash drops to Odyssey I blame the online modes

Does anyone here actually like Ultimate

Cuz it seems the board's prevailing opinion is "Smash is going to beat Mario, but I wish it didn't"

Is that the site's opinion too

UltimaterializerX posted...

This is a completely fair gripe, but it goes farther than that. RE4 took the series away from being survival horror into a pure action genre -- totally fair criticism.

Chapter 5 of RE4 is the biggest "offender", if there is one. The first 75% of the game still rely on a creepy atmosphere and and slightly more methodical pace of play. Every time I revisit the game, I have to admit that the Island is the worst section despite the awesome Regenerators.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Does anyone here actually like Ultimate

Cuz it seems the board's prevailing opinion is "Smash is going to beat Mario, but I wish it didn't"

Is that the site's opinion too

yes ultimate is great and it should win

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Does anyone here actually like Ultimate

Cuz it seems the board's prevailing opinion is "Smash is going to beat Mario, but I wish it didn't"

Is that the site's opinion too

I'm a big fan despite not playing it beyond its holiday 2018 launch window. Unlocking everything was so much fun, and it really is the greatest celebration of video games ever created.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

Does anyone here actually like Ultimate

Cuz it seems the board's prevailing opinion is "Smash is going to beat Mario, but I wish it didn't"

Is that the site's opinion too

Well, the board almost universally preferred Melee over Brawl when they faced off, but it sure didn't reflect sitewise.

Smash Ultimate is a 9/10 game with a -1/10 modifier thanks to online. I like it but there's stuff I'm voting over it.