Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1344

LeonhartFour posted...

I'm pretty sure Majora beat both of the acceptable answers

Yes it did beat Chrono Cross and Pokemon GSC (even though MM is acceptable but I'm just gonna go with this)

Well P4 had a nice run its going to get curb stomped by GTAV

pjbasis posted...

Yes it did beat Chrono Cross and Pokemon GSC (even though MM is acceptable but I'm just gonna go with this)

those were the two games it was acceptable for it to beat

Sharinnegan posted...

the weapon durability is there as an additional little push to incentivise you to be creative with how you tackle the game. BotW created one of the most interactive open worlds ever. it doesn't want you to spend the whole game swinging a sword and dodging to the left when necessary

The only thing it incentivized was constant farming of trash mobs with clunky-to-use bombs every time a weapon broke after 1 swing. I got about 8 or so hours into the game, and I wager at least 2-3 of those hours were wasted fighting moblins so I could replace the 7 clubs I broke trying to do a stupid shrine. It's something I might have been able to forgive if they at least gave you a sword or something that was unbreakable as a fall-back.

If your game makes me waste half my playtime f***ing around in menus fighting with clunky half-assed "mechanics" then I'm sorry but your game sucks.

Case in point is MGS3. No amount of excellent characters, story telling and world building is going to make up for the fact that every action in that game felt like a chore.

It's the reason why I've avoided playing Death Stranding

pjbasis posted...

Yes it did beat Chrono Cross and Pokemon GSC (even though MM is acceptable but I'm just gonna go with this)

Chrono Cross was a good concept that was ruined by its godawful battle system.

GSC was a clone of RBY with more Pokemon and a lame day/night mechanic

Neither game was innovative or influential in any way.

MGS2, SotC, Brawl are great choices for GotD. TP is actually another choice when you think about how it kicked off the launch of the Wii, even though MM is the better game on paper.

Why is everyone here pretending that Witcher 3 is not going to win this thing? That game has pushed gaming forward more than any other game on this list. It's by far the most deserving game on the list. Hell, no game on this list deserves it more than its own DLC Blood and Wine.

@MechanicalWall

It’s looking good, my friend!

Ruler_of_this posted...

Why is everyone here pretending that Witcher 3 is not going to win this thing? That game has pushed gaming forward more than any other game on this list. It's by far the most deserving game on the list. Hell, no game on this list deserves it more than its own DLC Blood and Wine.

Geralt fought the LAW and the LAW won

Short of a 5000+ vote rally, The Witcher is not beating BotW

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Chrono Cross was a good concept that was ruined by its godawful battle system.

GSC was a clone of RBY with more Pokemon and a lame day/night mechanic

Neither game was innovative or influential in any way.

MGS2, SotC, Brawl are great choices for GotD. TP is actually another choice when you think about how it kicked off the launch of the Wii, even though MM is the better game on paper.

i was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt until you mentioned Twilight Princess as a contender considering it's the blandest 3D Zelda out there.

Just to add to my post, not only is it the blandest 3D Zelda, it is also the one most devoid of soul. It's inoffensive as f*** and doesn't excel at anything. Okami was better than TP.

monsefuz posted...

i was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt until you mentioned Twilight Princess as a contender considering it's the blandest 3D Zelda out there.

It basically launched the motion control craze on the Wii (for better or worse). It's certainly way more influential and representative of the decade than Majora's Mask, which I'm guessing most people thought came out in the 90s

I guess this comes down to the age old argument. Do you just vote for the game you liked better (like Persona fanboys are doing today), or do you actually factor in what makes a game objectively great?

UltimaterializerX posted...

@MechanicalWall

It’s looking good, my friend!

Almost a 400 vote lead

Honestly thought P4 was gonna crumble, but it's looking like it'll make it

monsefuz posted...

Just to add to my post, not only is it the blandest 3D Zelda, it is also the one most devoid of soul. It's inoffensive as f*** and doesn't excel at anything. Okami was better than TP.

TP is a dark masterpiece. The bland, soulless 3D Zelda you're thinking of is called Breath of the Wild.

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Case in point is MGS3. No amount of excellent characters, story telling and world building is going to make up for the fact that every action in that game felt like a chore.

Thanks for assuring me I won't find weapon degradation much of a problem in BOTW since I didn't find that changing camouflage or healing in MGS3 to be that bad. I acknowledge it could have been done better in that game and that you're not alone but still.

Count me as one of those who finds MGS3 the best in that series.

monsefuz posted...

Just to add to my post, not only is it the blandest 3D Zelda, it is also the one most devoid of soul. It's inoffensive as f*** and doesn't excel at anything. Okami was better than TP.

TP is far from bad but it is very forgettable compared to Ocarina, Majora, and Wind Waker. Also yeah it has plenty of dumb stuff so I couldn't fault someone for not liking it.

RE4 was probably the game that balanced both critical and commercial success on top of being highly influential last decade, IMO

It would have made a great winner

BotW added weapon durability because the rest of the game was so devoid of content and life that they needed a way to artificially extend the runtime. That game could be beating in a couple hours if you didnt have to constantly farm clubs from trash mobs

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

I guess this comes down to the age old argument. Do you just vote for the game you liked better (like Persona fanboys are doing today), or do you actually factor in what makes a game objectively great?

P4G is objectively better than any "follow the map marker" game out there.

Ruler_of_this posted...

Why is everyone here pretending that Witcher 3 is not going to win this thing? That game has pushed gaming forward more than any other game on this list. It's by far the most deserving game on the list. Hell, no game on this list deserves it more than its own DLC Blood and Wine.

how long have you been watching contests on this site

Zelda has won every single non-megarallied contest except 2003 (Forced Celda pictures when everyone hated Celda + Kingdom Hearts Cloud), 2004 (pretty much the only contest where there isn't an excuse or explanation, Zelda just lost), 2005 Villains (Ganondorf has never come close to Sephiroth in strength, ever). That's it. The only way Zelda doesn't godstomp this whole thing is a potential rally from CDPR or any other non-indie studio.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

TP is far from bad but it is very forgettable compared to Ocarina, Majora, and Wind Waker.

There's no way I could ever forget this boss battle

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NywJtocmn8 (click to expand) 

MechanicalWall posted...

RE4 was probably the game that balanced both critical and commercial success on top of being highly influential last decade, IMO

It would have made a great winner

I never played it, as the RE games don't really do it for me, but based on the feedback, it would have been a better choice than most of the bracket.

Even FFX, for all its flaws regarding linearty, s***ty characters and a contrived story pioneered voice acting and a lot of other JRPG trends for the decade.

Brawl beating Melee was such a valid result, because Melee was basically just an uprezzed and polished Smash64, while Brawl had the whole single player mode, and online multiplayer that was actually very good for its time.

Oh yeah. That was cool. But I don't know.

BT sounds like he completely refused to adapt to BOTW. Not that he has to, but getting on his high horse about it is annoying even to someone like me who hasn't played it.

plasmabeam posted...

P4G is objectively better than any "follow the map marker" game out there.

P4G is a Vita port of a game that came out in the previous decade, that is mired in the s***tier aspects of what happened to JRPGs during the transition to 3D

Ruler_of_this posted...

Why is everyone here pretending that Witcher 3 is not going to win this thing? That game has pushed gaming forward more than any other game on this list. It's by far the most deserving game on the list. Hell, no game on this list deserves it more than its own DLC Blood and Wine.

Witcher 3 is a great game, but I don’t really see how it “pushed gaming forward” in a significant way.

I can only assume he hasn't paid much attention to contests... Majora's Mask won GOTD for the 2000s, which was way less deserving of the title than BOTW would be of the title for the 2010s.

while Brawl had the whole single player mode, and online multiplayer that was actually very good for its time.

Imagine thinking Brawl had good online. It was pure garbage. MKW on the other hand actually had good online.

MechanicalWall posted...

RE4 was probably the game that balanced both critical and commercial success on top of being highly influential last decade, IMO

It would have made a great winner

This I can agree with. Over-the-shoulder 3rd Person Shooters (and some other genres like Batman games and survival horror) owe everything to RE4.

RE4 or GTA3 seems most sensible to me, and this is coming from a guy who hates GTA.

Majora's Mask was on a lot of "best of" lists even at the time. I'd say it's deserving.

I mean, the Zelda series is not popular for no reason. Probably easy for me to say since it's my favorite game series and two of my top three games hail from it.

MechanicalWall posted...

Almost a 400 vote lead

Honestly thought P4 was gonna crumble, but it's looking like it'll make it

With Shovel Knight we can definitively say the rallies made the difference. With this one, who really knows. We definitely helped though, that's for sure. The threads have been visible since we put them up and have good engagement.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

Oh yeah. That was cool. But I don't know.

BT sounds like he completely refused to adapt to BOTW. Not that he has to, but getting on his high horse about it is annoying even to someone like me who hasn't played it.

I'm certainly not the only person to criticize BotW. My friends have zeroed in pretty clearly on the types of games I would and would not like, and games with really bad pacing and bulls*** gameplay time extension mechanics set me off. They warned me about BotW. Yes the game is beautiful and some of the exploration aspects are good, but the lack of dungeons, the weapon durability and the large, empty nature of the world map killed it for me. If they went with a smaller overworld, more traditional Zelda dungeons/bosses and no weapon durability, it probably would have been a personal GotD.

I think that's what pisses me off the most. They were so CLOSE to having a great game, and they f***ed it up royally

Feline_Heart posted...

There's no way I could ever forget this boss battle

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NywJtocmn8 

hell yeah, that fight rules

Argorok was super cool too.

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

I never played it, as the RE games don't really do it for me, but based on the feedback, it would have been a better choice than most of the bracket.

Even FFX, for all its flaws regarding linearty, s***ty characters and a contrived story pioneered voice acting and a lot of other JRPG trends for the decade.

Brawl beating Melee was such a valid result, because Melee was basically just an uprezzed and polished Smash64, while Brawl had the whole single player mode, and online multiplayer that was actually very good for its time.

Melee was a HUGE jump from Smash 64 in terms of gameplay (side-B moves, dodging, etc.). Brawl did nothing to evolve the gameplay, it merely added more characters and a single player mode that was decent at best. The online was terrible. Smash 4 was the first one with decent online.

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

BotW added weapon durability because the rest of the game was so devoid of content and life that they needed a way to artificially extend the runtime. That game could be beating in a couple hours if you didnt have to constantly farm clubs from trash mobs

dude you can just go straight to the final boss and beat it if you want. BoTW can be beaten in half an hour. or you can play it for 200 hours.

and that is exactly the point. it is an open world game, do what you want. from a mechanical standpoint, BoTW is a million times more "open" than just about every other "open world" there is.

MoogleKupo141 posted...

hell yeah, that fight rules

Argorok was super cool too.

Love that fight and the Spinner item. TP had fantastic dungeons and bosses.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

Majora's Mask was on a lot of "best of" lists even at the time. I'd say it's deserving.

I mean, the Zelda series is not popular for no reason. Probably easy for me to say since it's my favorite game series and two of my top three games hail from it.

Majora’s Mask is very good; but I can definitely see the argument that it’s a bad “game of the decade” since it really feels like a game from the 90’s that just released a little later than it should have.

but also I only vote on which game I like better and not which one “deserves the title” or whatever so I don’t actually care

plasmabeam posted...

Melee was a HUGE jump from Smash 64 in terms of gameplay (side-B moves, dodging, etc.). Brawl did nothing to evolve the gameplay, it merely added more characters and a single player mode that was decent at best. The online was terrible. Smash 4 was the first one with decent online.

Maybe if you're a circlejerking "competitive Smash" player. For the other 97% of people that played the game, they added some new characters and stages. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the hell out of Melee, but Brawl was such an improvement on it in every single way (except the aforementioned circlejerky "competitive Smash" way)

Sharinnegan posted...

dude you can just go straight to the final boss and beat it if you want. BoTW can be beaten in half an hour. or you can play it for 200 hours.

and that is exactly the point. it is an open world game, do what you want. from a mechanical standpoint, BoTW is a million times more "open" than just about every other "open world" there is.

How do you beat the final boss when swinging your weapon twice breaks it, and you only have enough inventory slots for 5 more easily breakable clubs?

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Maybe if you're a circlejerking "competitive Smash" player. For the other 97% of people that played the game, they added some new characters and stages. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the hell out of Melee, but Brawl was such an improvement on it in every single way (except the aforementioned circlejerky "competitive Smash" way)

Brawl is considered by everyone to be the worst game in the series. The floaty physics and slow gameplay was awful which is why fans modded it and created Project M to make it more fun

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Maybe if you're a circlejerking "competitive Smash" player. For the other 97% of people that played the game, they added some new characters and stages. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the hell out of Melee, but Brawl was such an improvement on it in every single way (except the aforementioned circlejerky "competitive Smash" way)

As a noncompetitive type, Melee was a much bigger improvement on 64 than Brawl is to Melee. You don’t have to be a competitive player to appreciate that they gave characters a fourth special move.
And Melee had Adventure Mode and All-Star mode + trophies to unlock which gave it a much more substantial single player experience than 64 had.
64 is like a Melee tech demo and Brawl is like Melee + more stuff (which I totally appreciated, I love stuff)

YookaLaylee posted...

Brawl is considered by everyone to be the worst game in the series. The floaty physics and slow gameplay was awful which is why fans modded it and created Project M to make it more fun

Again, you're confusing the weird "competitive Smash" circlejerk/echo chamber with the real world.

Every Smash game has been an improvement on the previous game to the vast vast vast majority of people playing the games.

Was not expecting Xenoblade to do this well, thought it would be more of a 60-40 against Overwatch, but I'm pleasantly surprised. I guess all the other nonsense surrounding Blizzard at the moment might be giving Xenoblade some anti-votes, and Definitive Edition has it on people's radar.

Will be interesting to see how it fares against Three Houses. Xenoblade and Three Houses are my 2nd and 3rd favorite games of all time so I'd be happy to see either one win.

Also, tbh I was under the impression the Persona franchise was kind of obscure and niche until Persona 5 brought it into the limelight, but maybe I'm mistaken seeing Persona 4 beating Red Dead.

look a bit around hyrule castle and you'll get enough good weapons to beat the final fights. you'll also want to cook stuff that gives you high attack buffs, that has an enormous effect.

you'll need to be good at the game obviously..that is the tradeoff of trying to beat the game immediately. but it is very possible to do even for an average joe. i can do it very easily by now.

Can anyone link me to Luster's and Leon's vote trends for yesterday's matches?

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

How do you beat the final boss when swinging your weapon twice breaks it, and you only have enough inventory slots for 5 more easily breakable clubs?

 https://youtu.be/tvVG0_0jzjk 

here’s a video of someone doing it

part of the answer appears to be “get a better weapon, dummy”. There’s strong weapons that don’t easily break available in the castle.

Can we not do the "ackshually Breath of the Wild is overrated" thing again? It's already like 20% of all topics on gamefaqs there is nothing to be said that hasn't been said a million times over.

Breath of the Wild is an excellent game. Full stop.

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

I guess this comes down to the age old argument. Do you just vote for the game you liked better (like Persona fanboys are doing today), or do you actually factor in what makes a game objectively great?

RDR f***ing blows.

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

objectively

also get out

LeonhartFour posted...

Breath of the Wild is an excellent game. Full stop.

This. It is not overrated, but durability is a legitimate gripe people have.