Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1344

UltimaterializerX posted...

The objective games of the decade: Skyrim, Dark Souls, Dota 2, Clash of Kings, GTA5, Fortnite, Red Dead Redemption 2, Smash Ultimate, Breath of the Wild, CoD: Black Ops, Witcher 3, Undertale, Bloodborne, Mass Effect 2, Mass Effect 3, Mario Odyssey, Super Meat Boy, The Last of Us, Doom, Overwatch, Borderlands 2, Shovel Knight, Hearthstone, Stardew Valley, Persona 5, Dragon Quest 11, Horizon Zero Dawn, Hollow Knight, NieR Automata, God of War, and REmake Evil 2.

The answer is whatever you want from that list, but it is absolutely one of those games. And trust me, there are things on there I detest, but the story of gaming this decade can’t be told without them.

(Minecraft and League both came out in 2009.)

You need to trim out a whole lot of fat.

Games like Black Ops and Smash, what did they bring new to the table that previous installments didn't, they weren't even breakout hits. It's all about revolutionary, influence, and exceptional quality to me, gotta check off 2 of these boxes. I don't even like half these games but these are the ones that are widely regarded as landmarks(not including mp games)

Probably in this order for me in terms of deserving games:
Minecraft
Zelda BOTW
Dark Souls
Witcher 3
The Last of Us
Skyrim

I feel good about this list and if we exclude Minecraft these are the best top 5 to represent the decade, SEE: metacritic score tally for GOTD. This wasn't intentional by my part, I didn't copy their list. Games like RDR, ME2, Bloodborne, GOW, SMG2 and an indie game like Undertale, HK, SK are all in the B tier. The rest are in a tier of just being really well received games.

People keep forgetting Pokemon Go. Say what you want but it made EVERYONE wanting to go outside plus it is still earns millions per month.

Sens-Hangar_18 posted...

You need to trim out a whole lot of fat.

Games like Black Ops and Smash, what did they bring new to the table that previous installments didn't, they weren't even breakout hits. It's all about revolutionary, influence, and exceptional quality to me, gotta check off 2 of these boxes. I don't even like half these games but these are the ones that are widely regarded as landmarks(not including mp games)

Probably in this order for me in terms of deserving games:
Minecraft
Zelda BOTW
Dark Souls
Witcher 3
The Last of Us
Skyrim

I feel good about this list and if we exclude Minecraft these are the best top 5 to represent the decade, SEE: metacritic score tally for GOTD. This wasn't intentional by my part, I didn't copy their list. Games like RDR, ME2, Bloodborne, GOW, and an indie game like Undertale, HK, SK are all in the B tier. The rest are in a tier of just being really well received games.

I know that Minecraft is massively popular and I agree that it deserves to be here for that reason, but I never understood why people consider it revolutionary and influential. What has it influenced? It doesn't seem like its inspired a lot of imitations or anything and I don't know what gameplay ideas its introduced that other games have adapted. I'm biased because I think that its boring, but I just don't get why its considered such an important game.

Nobody mentioning PUBG? 4th best selling game of all time and played a critical role in popularizing Battle Royale.

Auto Chess deserves special mention as well, since it's basically a genre now and any game that turns into a genre deserves to be on a GotD list.

Safer_777 posted...

@WarThaNemesis2 For me there are 2 games that trully deserve GOTD. GTA V and Skyrim. Sure you may say there are others but Skyrim is the game that people still compare all other Open World Games that have come out and GTA 5 is the piece of media which has earned the most money in the history of mankind. And both game are still going strong.

So if there's ever a poll for best media franchise of all time Pokemon should win for the same reason?
Ahead of Star Wars, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Mario, Batman etc. ?

PUBG is the reason why Fornite shouldn't even be in the conversation.

Minecraft was released in 2009.

Yeah Pokemon GO should be there. Oops.

Smash Ultimate is the #1 selling fighting game ever and completely changed how multiplayer works.

shane15 posted...

PUBG is the reason why Fornite shouldn't even be in the conversation.

Fortnite cannot ever not be included for a game of the decade chat. It’s like pretending Tiktok doesn’t exist. You can hate it all day but it matters. A lot.

I kinda cheated for Minecraft but it's the biggest game and it is still played like crazy in 2020 with the crappiest graphics I've ever seen with a budget of 5$ . That speaks volumes to me.

Also given the Persona reddit threads catching the algorithms, RDR has a huge uphill climb now.

Sens-Hangar_18 posted...

I kinda cheated for Minecraft but it's the biggest game and it is still played like crazy in 2020 with the crappiest graphics I've ever seen with a budget of 5$ . That speaks volumes to me.

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Pretty sure Candy Crush earned more money than any other game this decade. It's bigger than Minecraft or GTA5.

For games in the bracket, Fate/Grand Order has made the most money.

Didn't it "offically" release in 2010? Either way, nobody else seems to care so I won't either. Who's gonna remember it as a 2000s game?

Sens-Hangar_18 posted...

Didn't it "offically" release in 2010? Either way, nobody else seems to care so I won't either. Who's gonna remember it as a 2000s game?

2011.

2009 is more like an Alpha version, no one considers that to be the release date.

Rocket League definitely deserves to be on Ulti's list IMO. You could also argue for Cuphead (top-shelf indie with significant cultural impact) or Five Nights at Freddy's (it was f***ing EVERYWHERE. For years!).

Angry Birds would totally deserve a spot too, had it not released at the tail end of 2009 on iOS.

Objectivity is dumb. If we're going for pure innovation, games like Ocarina of Time are out of the running for 'Game of the Decade' for the 90's because it can be argued that they aped previous 3D games like Mario 64, Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon, and Star Fox 64 and it is simply the most codified, 'best' version of those elements. Going for "the most defining games of the decade", you're gonna get a list of the same handful of innovations (Minecraft, PUBG/Fortnite, Pokemon Go, Candy Crush or Granblue or whatever), Breath of the Wild, whatever the preference between Skyrim, Red Dead, and Witcher is of the individual, Undertale if you had a mostly online presence, and MAYBE a narrative choice like Spec Ops or Automata if you're feeling saucy. If you're not into fighters, I doubt that Killer Instinct or Smash Ultimate are gonna appear on your list, no matter how much Killer Instinct perfected online netcode or how Smash created an incredibly balanced, celebratory roster and also Little Mac. Or what Tropical Freeze, Rayman, and Celeste did with silent environmental storytelling in platformers (well, less 'silent' and more 'occasionally obtrusive' with Celeste, but still).

Lots of games are good at lots of things, some just resonate with more people than others. Shut up and vote for the video game you like (even if your opinion's bad and you like Mortal Kombat 11) because that's your Game of the Decade. Anything else is self-imagined elitism or a shared delusion of knowing what's "best" with others.

Plus Kirby Planet Robobot isn't even up for voting so, y'know, whatever.

hm..there is a pretty big distinction to make when coming up with these best of decade lists.

a game like five nights at freddy's is a prime example of this...it was massively popular indeed..but its not really used as a point of reference in quality for anything in the industry as a whole. in fact most fans of horror games look at it with disdain.

on the opposite end of the spectrum you'd have something like, say... Persona 5, which, while not nearly as popular, IS generally seen as the current benchmark for a whole genre of gaming (turn based rpgs).

in my opinion the later category is more deserving, but i can see why people would put popularity first.

i guess it might be sort of like a hardcore movie critic vs general cinema audiences opinion thing.

Yeah, I'd far rather have quality over popularity. Popularity doesn't necessarily mean a game is high quality. More recently that just means it has some sort of multiplayer or competitive aspect to it (or some sort of gambling/loot box/gacha mechanics) or is highly accessible.

Safer_777 posted...

People keep forgetting Pokemon Go. Say what you want but it made EVERYONE wanting to go outside plus it is still earns millions per month.

Lol imagine if Pokemon GO had released just before COVID-19 hit, what a flop it would be. Or maybe ppl wouldn't have given a damn and made the pandemic worse just to catch them all.

lordjers posted...

Lol imagine if Pokemon GO had released just before COVID-19 hit, what a flop it would be. Or maybe ppl wouldn't have given a damn and made the pandemic worse just to catch them all.

It would've been like the storm area 51 meme with people saying "coronavirus can't infect all of us!"

The way I see it is, put all the contenders in one big poll. Which ones garner at least, lets say 3%, of the total votes? Those are your "objective" best games of the decade.

It's not an attempt to alienate or invalidate anyone's opinion. I bet you could find 1 person out there who legitimately thinks nearly every game released in the past 10 years was their Game of the Decade.

"Objective" is trying to get at the larger picture of cultural impact. It's why Mario 64 is beloved and objectively a GotD 90s, while Banjo-Kazooie isn't (even though it's a better game ;) )

Don't forget Life is Strange guys!

However you define GotD, I feel that this site is gonna have a real answer this time, unlike 2010. I'm sure this discussion has been done to death, but Majora was not a 'real' answer, I feel.

Breath of the Wild actually has a real claim to the title. Hell, if the either of the two potential rally beasts of Witcher and Dark Souls manage to win the whole thing, those would also be real answers.

Majora was the right answer.

Just wait until the Pokeymanz rally a remake to the championship

lordjers posted...

Lol imagine if Pokemon GO had released just before COVID-19 hit, what a flop it would be. Or maybe ppl wouldn't have given a damn and made the pandemic worse just to catch them all.

Well the responsible thing would have been to close the servers and reopen it later.

MechanicalWall posted...

However you define GotD, I feel that this site is gonna have a real answer this time, unlike 2010. I'm sure this discussion has been done to death, but Majora was not a 'real' answer, I feel.

Breath of the Wild actually has a real claim to the title. Hell, if the either of the two potential rally beasts of Witcher and Dark Souls manage to win the whole thing, those would also be real answers.

I don't feel MM resonates with these "objective" definitions. What did it redefine? Benchmark of what? It wasn't that popular either, or broke sales numbers.

However it's a great game and I don't mind it won.

I did not expect Persona to hold the wall like this. I'm impressed

transience posted...

I did not expect Persona to hold the wall like this. I'm impressed

I mean it has the facade required to overcome life's hardships

Leonhart4 posted...

I mean it has the facade required to overcome life's hardships

The persona Disco Ninja Frog!

@raptor36000 You are talking about franchises. I talk about a single game. GTA V has made more money than any other game, movie, play, song ever and that was like 2 years ago. At least according do the data that can be measured.

transience posted...

I did not expect Persona to hold the wall like this. I'm impressed

I think 4 subreddits got involved for it.

Admittedly it’s not as concrete as Shovel Knight but there’s no way it made zero difference.

Safer_777 posted...

@raptor36000 You are talking about franchises. I talk about a single game. GTA V has made more money than any other game, movie, play, song ever and that was like 2 years ago. At least according do the data that can be measured.

Again, it's still no Candy Crush.

I sure hope gtav is stronger than red dead

pjbasis posted...

I sure hope gtav is stronger than red dead

Easily. Not even debatable.

FFDragon posted...

Majora was the right answer.

Chrono Cross but hey #2 winning is fine

I'm pretty sure Majora beat both of the acceptable answers

transience posted...

I did not expect Persona to hold the wall like this. I'm impressed

bodes well for next match. I think persona can take a bigger lead from the get go

Also, P4G is only 3 votes away from what its peak lead was 14 hours ago.

Yuri_LowelI posted...

bodes well for next match. I think persona can take a bigger lead from the get go

Eh, not so sure about that. P4G had brackets this round. GTAV will have brackets next round, and we saw what brackets did for GTA today. B8 will always vote its bracket first if it's close.

P4G so weak smh...just let RDR through so i can see RDR curb stomp GTAV in a R* showdown. Now we gotta see trash ass GTAV get another free win

I mean if you think GTAV is going to beat something RDR can't beat I'm not sure why you think RDR would curbstomp GTAV

LeonhartFour posted...

I mean if you think GTAV is going to beat something RDR can't beat I'm not sure why you think RDR would curbstomp GTAV

Cowboy rSFF will lasso the upset for RDR!

BotW deserves Game of the Decade for the sole fact that a s***ty game with weapon durability mechanics managed to fool so many people into putting it on their personal lists

I legitimately dont understand people who dislike botw because of weapon durability.

You literally have to throw away weapons to pick up better ones in that game because the game just gives them to you all the time.

GildedFool posted...

I legitimately dont understand people who dislike botw because of weapon durability.

You literally have to throw away weapons to pick up better ones in that game because the game just gives them to you all the time.

On the run of the mill stuff it’s whatever, but no one wants a limited use Master Sword and such. It’s a major flaw with the game.

the weapon durability is there as an additional little push to incentivise you to be creative with how you tackle the game. BotW created one of the most interactive open worlds ever. it doesn't want you to spend the whole game swinging a sword and dodging to the left when necessary

Botw has glaring flaws.

but its one of the best games of last decade

The Master Sword has a long battery and recharges like immediately.

I can see it because a lot of people are very simple and will get turned off by things that go against their sensibilities without thinking about how it fits into the larger scheme.