Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1344

Persona 4 starting to recover

Vice City put up damn good numbers on Melee in 2004.

GTA's strength has always felt like its critical reception: very strong initially, then dropping off a cliff as time goes on. GTAV has the argument of having GTA Online to prolong it, but I really think it has the trajectory that other major Western series have on here, like Halo and... well, Vice City.

It could totally win, but I don't feel that history favors it retaining its 2015 strength.

WarThaNemesis2 posted...

GTAV is honestly the game most deserving of being Game of the Decade.

Fortnite or Minecraft are up there tbh

charmander6000 posted...

I mean, it's only receiving hate from people that don't play the series (and never will) and the small minority of people that dislike the series going too casual.

A Three House representative was always going to be in Smash Ultimate. The series has one of the largest cast of characters outside of Pokemon

FE is an SRPG. Its onyl going to be so popular

people dont like srpgs as much as traditional rpgs here.

with the amount of games it has the FE series should be stronger. Golden sun 1 probably beats 90% of FE games. Despite having two worthwhile games

MechanicalWall posted...

Fortnite or Minecraft are up there tbh

hahahahaha. Ha* coughs * chokes

* dies

i mean...if we're going just by popularity Pokemon go of all things would be near the top of the list

@WarThaNemesis2 For me there are 2 games that trully deserve GOTD. GTA V and Skyrim. Sure you may say there are others but Skyrim is the game that people still compare all other Open World Games that have come out and GTA 5 is the piece of media which has earned the most money in the history of mankind. And both game are still going strong.

plasmabeam posted...

I would take FE3H > DKC2 in a heartbeat.

I'm convinced FE3H > FEA because Console > Handheld.

DKC2 beat FEA 52-48, which is a narrow gap to make up, especially for a game like FE3H that put 46% on RE2 back in January.

Would you trust DKC2 to score higher than 46% on RE2?

In a year where Mega Man X is worth 45% on FFX and SMRPG is stronger than the entire MGS and RE series, I'd easily take DKC2 to put 46% on RE2.

Eh, MMX and Super Mario RPG exist on a different plane than DKC2. DKC2 winning two matches was more of an indictment of its opponents.

It would still beat most of this bracket though!

If you think GTA5 has fallen off since 2015 (although I would argue today's results indicate it mostly hasn't) that's fine, but I also saw posts saying it would have lost to RDR in 2015 and no, it 100% would not.

I honestly don't see how you can look at today and be confident in Persona's chances going forward. Today is its worst case scenario for results.

Mario RPG is probably a top ten game on this site if it'd had a proper European release.

What a thing to consider

I'm gonna be triggered beyond belief if i get the top half of this division spot on and only missed the bottom half on a 50-50 toss up.

Leonhart4 posted...

Eh, MMX and Super Mario RPG exist on a different plane than DKC2. DKC2 winning two matches was more of an indictment of its opponents.

It would still beat most of this bracket though!

Hey Leon, can you do some stats for me?

37.5% on SOTN (DKC2) vs. 42.5% on FFT

SOTN got 32% on OoT, FFT got 34% on SM64.

What does OoT need on SM64 for RE2 = DKC2?

WarThaNemesis2 posted...

Hey Leon, can you do some stats for me?

37.5% on SOTN (DKC2) vs. 42.5% on FFT

SOTN got 32% on OoT, FFT got 34% on SM64.

What does OoT need on SM64 for RE2 = DKC2?

58.48%

WarThaNemesis2 posted...

In a year where Mega Man X is worth 45% on FFX and SMRPG is stronger than the entire MGS and RE series, I'd easily take DKC2 to put 46% on RE2.

DKC2 couldn't put 38% on SotN. Where is it finding the strength to put 46% on an acclaimed remake of one of SotN's PS1 contemporaries?

DKC games don't have that kind of firepower. Look what happened to Tropical Freeze last week.

With the loss of Persona 4 my last chance to rebounce in leadearboard is dead.

I'm probably gonna need a perfect round 2 from here on out to even have a shot at the board.

plasmabeam posted...

DKC2 couldn't put 38% on SotN. Where is it finding the strength to put 46% on an acclaimed remake of one of SotN's PS1 contemporaries?

DKC games don't have that kind of firepower. Look what happened to Tropical Freeze last week.

Well, SOTN is significantly stronger than RE2, for one.

Unless you think Mario 64 is stronger than Ocarina of Time.

If we're saying Skyrim should be up there, so should Witcher III and BotW. Both should outsell Skyrim in the long term, both open world gamechangers.

I mean if we're looking at it in the broader gaming "culture", it's BotW. With GTA there is an argument against the online component as huge as it became the response has been genuinely mixed. BotW meanwhile has done giant sales numbers (it has basically sold like a pre-V GTA game), has that top reception, and doesn't have a weakness like GTAV does.

Safer_777 posted...

With the loss of Persona 4 my last chance to rebounce in leadearboard is dead.

Uhhh

WarThaNemesis2 posted...

GTAV is honestly the game most deserving of being Game of the Decade.

lol It's not even a good game. Minecraft is the most popular game this decade and doesn't try to nickel and dime its playerbase. I don't play it but I respect its rags to riches story, it's worthy of being #1 of the decade. I wish it existed when I was a kid that would've been a blast to play with friends.

This reminds me, where the F is Roblox? That game is massive.

@Leonhart4 Hey RDR is winning in USA!

Safer_777 posted...

@Leonhart4 Hey RDR is winning in USA!

We've already seen games win the US and lose the match within the last few days!

Of course all of middle America is going for RDR

That game is for THEM

If "respect votes" in a Game of the Decade are a thing I could see GTAV benefiting. It was talked about during the last GotD contest, but I don't think it was a thing.

Personally I would take 2015 Shovel Knight over Cuphead so I don't see GTAV doing any better. The game did have strength back then though.

WarThaNemesis2 posted...

Well, SOTN is significantly stronger than RE2, for one.

Unless you think Mario 64 is stronger than Ocarina of Time.

SotN >>> RE2 1998 I agree with you on.

But RE2 Remake is in a unique situation because it draws strength from its modern and classic incarnations.

If we held SotN vs RE2 Remake today, SotN would likely win because of the Castlevania TV show boosting it. But I don't see any reason to believe that pre-Netflix SotN (the 2015 version that beat DKC2 62-38) would be significantly stronger than RE2 Remake.

Looks like Red Dead still has a shot if it's been cutting. But we're also pretty far into the day.

This match really feels like two boxers constantly grappling - draining them both and trending towards a points win for the guy who landed a few hits early.

Kotetsu534 posted...

This match really feels like two boxers constantly grappling - draining them both and trending towards a points win for the guy who landed a few hits early.

Ain't gonna be no rematch!

The objective games of the decade: Skyrim, Dark Souls, Dota 2, Clash of Kings, GTA5, Fortnite, Red Dead Redemption 2, Smash Ultimate, Breath of the Wild, CoD: Black Ops, Witcher 3, Undertale, Bloodborne, Mass Effect 2, Mass Effect 3, Mario Odyssey, Super Meat Boy, The Last of Us, Doom, Overwatch, Borderlands 2, Shovel Knight, Hearthstone, Stardew Valley, Persona 5, Dragon Quest 11, Horizon Zero Dawn, Hollow Knight, NieR Automata, God of War, and REmake Evil 2.

The answer is whatever you want from that list, but it is absolutely one of those games. And trust me, there are things on there I detest, but the story of gaming this decade can’t be told without them.

(Minecraft and League both came out in 2009.)

Lightning Strikes posted...

If we're saying Skyrim should be up there, so should Witcher III and BotW. Both should outsell Skyrim in the long term, both open world gamechangers.

I mean if we're looking at it in the broader gaming "culture", it's BotW. With GTA there is an argument against the online component as huge as it became the response has been genuinely mixed. BotW meanwhile has done giant sales numbers (it has basically sold like a pre-V GTA game), has that top reception, and doesn't have a weakness like GTAV does.

The problem is that BOTW is Switch/Wii U only which is quite a big weakness compared to GTA/Skyrim. Dark Souls is the other one I'd put on the deserve list though for different reasons of course.

pjbasis posted...

Looks like Red Dead still has a shot if it's been cutting. But we're also pretty far into the day.

Still lots of time, RDR needs to cut 2.76 votes an update to catch-up.

Of course, the longer this stall-fest lasts the less likely it will happen.

RDR hasn't made a serious push in a few hours now. Still time, of course, and Shovel Knight waited until late to catch Octopath

I'd say the Switch defies typical platform exclusive limitations. For instance, Mario Kart 8 sold 23 million copies on Switch in just over two and a half years. That is a staggering amount for a single platform in such a short time, well above all but the heaviest multiplatform hitters. So if you're on Switch, there isn't an issue of reach. It's not like we're talking about a Wii U exclusive here.

charmander6000 posted...

Personally I would take 2015 Shovel Knight over Cuphead so I don't see GTAV doing any better.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6951-best-of-2017-indies

Cuphead's legit. Cuphead has been consistently mentioned as potentially the strongest indie game in the bracket in every conversation I've seen so far...until today, when Cuphead being good is bad for brackets.

I honestly am not sure if there's a result today that will make GTA5 seriously. Its GTA and people picked Persona so there's nothing it can do to change people's minds.

I think it's over. RDR needed to keep it at least somewhat even.

Leonhart4 posted...

Shovel Knight waited until late to catch Octopath

I mean there's a reason for that

UltimaterializerX posted...

The objective games of the decade: Skyrim, Dark Souls, Dota 2, Clash of Kings, GTA5, Fortnite, Red Dead Redemption 2, Smash Ultimate, Breath of the Wild, CoD: Black Ops, Witcher 3, Undertale, Bloodborne, Mass Effect 2, Mass Effect 3, Mario Odyssey, Super Meat Boy, The Last of Us, Doom, Overwatch, Borderlands 2, Shovel Knight, Hearthstone, Stardew Valley, Persona 5, Dragon Quest 11, Horizon Zero Dawn, Hollow Knight, NieR Automata, God of War, and REmake Evil 2.

The answer is whatever you want from that list, but it is absolutely one of those games. And trust me, there are things on there I detest, but the story of gaming this decade can’t be told without them.

(Minecraft and League both came out in 2009.)

Batman Arkham City, Telltale's Walking Dead, and Uncharted 4 deserve to be there as well.

UltimaterializerX posted...

The objective games of the decade: Skyrim, Dark Souls, Dota 2, Clash of Kings, GTA5, Fortnite, Red Dead Redemption 2, Smash Ultimate, Breath of the Wild, CoD: Black Ops, Witcher 3, Undertale, Bloodborne, Mass Effect 2, Mass Effect 3, Mario Odyssey, Super Meat Boy, The Last of Us, Doom, Overwatch, Borderlands 2, Shovel Knight, Hearthstone, Stardew Valley, Persona 5, Dragon Quest 11, Horizon Zero Dawn, Hollow Knight, NieR Automata, God of War, and REmake Evil 2.

The answer is whatever you want from that list, but it is absolutely one of those games. And trust me, there are things on there I detest, but the story of gaming this decade can’t be told without them.

(Minecraft and League both came out in 2009.)

That's a pretty good list, that probably cover like 95-98% of people's choices!

In looking over our nominated games,
I could see arguments for adding Ori, Xenoblade, Galaxy 2, Portal 2, and Arkham City.
I could see arguments for removing Clash of Kings (I'm assuming you meant the mobile game Clash of Clans?), Undertale, Mass Effect 3 (since 2>3 to most people), and REmake Evil 2.

How many times have I gotten cucked by Persona. I'd let my bracket burn just to watch RDR storm back.

KamikazePotato posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6951-best-of-2017-indies

Cuphead's legit. Cuphead has been consistently mentioned as potentially the strongest indie game in the bracket in every conversation I've seen so far...until today, when Cuphead being good is bad for brackets.

I honestly am not sure if there's a result today that will make GTA5 seriously. Its GTA and people picked Persona so there's nothing it can do to change people's minds.

I agree Cuphead is one of the strongest indie games, I just think Shovel Knight is the strongest which is why I went with GTAV in this match.

CaptainOfCrush posted...

How many times have I gotten cucked by Persona. I'd let my bracket burn just to watch RDR storm back.

I've given up trying to predict Persona. I swear the series gets into at least 1 weird a** match every contest that ruins my bracket.

2010: Persona 3 upsets Civ 4, Persona 4 barely outlives Dead Rising to reach round 3
2013: Chie vs Jak vs Draven ugh
2015: Persona 3 gets upset by DQ8, continues second match cuse
2018: Joker gets upset by Claire. Pic controversy shenanigans.
2020: Persona 4 running the Rockstar gauntlet (in progress)

KamikazePotato posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6951-best-of-2017-indies

Cuphead's legit. Cuphead has been consistently mentioned as potentially the strongest indie game in the bracket in every conversation I've seen so far...until today, when Cuphead being good is bad for brackets.

I honestly am not sure if there's a result today that will make GTA5 seriously. Its GTA and people picked Persona so there's nothing it can do to change people's minds.

Well none of the other Mario > Smash brackets have GTA or Xenoblade winning the division and I have 3H, so I might as well just root for GTA here!

Imagine if someone had picked both GTA and Mario to win their divisions, though. They'd have a clear path to victory.

Since RDR appears likely to lose to a Vita game, what should we expect from RDR2 vs Animal Crossing 3DS?

P4 at a 300 vote lead

Lookin alright for now

You guys, it's not too late for Super Meat Boy to be the strongest indie...!

(we live in hope)

if Shovel knight is the strongest indie it means Octopath traveller is worth at least 40% on GTAV

KamikazePotato posted...

I mean there's a reason for that

Nah, it caught up before that rally. Then Octopath intensified its own rally and then the tweet happened.

Also, Civ losing is never an upset.

Lightning Strikes posted...

I'd say the Switch defies typical platform exclusive limitations. For instance, Mario Kart 8 sold 23 million copies on Switch in just over two and a half years. That is a staggering amount for a single platform in such a short time, well above all but the heaviest multiplatform hitters. So if you're on Switch, there isn't an issue of reach. It's not like we're talking about a Wii U exclusive here.

Hmmmm that's a fair point. It seems like a matter of perspective as to whether such impressive sales figures for these major Switch titles balances out (potentially) less accessibility overall.