Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1342

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/78581705

Rallies.

does shovel night have porn???

MechanicalWall posted...

They ain't thirsty like Dark Souls fans are thirsty

Something different animates the DkS community. They play hard games cause they think it makes them better than the plebs. They want the plebs to know that their games are cooler and better.

On the other hand, BotW's game of the decade status has never actually been under threat before. In a close match BotW would have substantial pull, if it happens.

Octopath is beasting now

KamikazePotato posted...

Literally every post-Draven rally has been to my benefit so I struggle to dislike them

Pretty sure most of the stuff I'd rather win never benefits from a rally except for Tifa

And the very nature of that rally triggering people for strange reasons was more entertaining than the rally itself. BT still hasn't gotten over it.

i dont think there is even a remote chance of BoTW ever losing this

however Dark Souls and maybe Bloodborne too are naturally strong enough that they should be very capable of beating any other game with a bit of help from rallies.

The only way to stop rallies at least for the time being is to only allow votes for accounts that are of a certain age. But then you run into the problem that votals are even lower than they are now.

If Witcher 3 could get the rally, it could destroy most.

Someone contacted official sites back in 2015 where they didn't reply in time because it was thanksgiving. They would've helped.

Breath of the Wild's fanbase is extremely 'proud' of their game's de factor Game of the Decade title. They'll probably come to defend it if threatened.

Is Octopath THE clutch game of the contest so far?

even when it bows down to mario. It has to be up there as one of the stars. Just for taking down Unders***e.

Oh, Zelda will always rise to the challenge

UltimaterializerX posted...

This is how every close match has been for 20 years.

I'm a different person than I was 20 years ago, so I'm not worried about what I felt then versus what I feel now. Also, the nature of social media and fandom has changed drastically in that time.

I find it somewhat ironic that THIS topic, which loves to analyze and obsess (and I mean that mildly) over data, X-Stats, and relative strength within a franchise, would be okay with rallies. Think of all the conversation about how X result isn't "true" and has to be adjusted because of XYZ rally factor. How we never had a match between C and D because JKL getting rallied ruined it.

I know it's all silly stuff. And maybe a large part of the analysis fun IS just getting to argue these factors. (It's not a controlled experiment after all.)

I wonder what the results would look like if these were just polls without an actual contest and prizes. Take bracket votes, and the herd mentality of trying to win, out of play because that's certainly affected voting over these last 2 decades. What changes? Is the LAW still the LAW? (Yes of course but I bet some other things might change.)

KamikazePotato posted...

Breath of the Wild's fanbase is extremely 'proud' of their game's de factor Game of the Decade title. They'll probably come to defend it if threatened.

the problem is. Witcher 3 is also highly thought of. And its on more platforms.

obviously base strength BOTW wins. Any sort of rally and zelda is in trouble.

I think this topic by and large doesn't like rallies

I'm not necessarily arguing that DkS could beat BotW itself to win the whole thing; BotW is on another planet.

But Dark Souls making the finals already means it scored big big upsets against Skyrim and Witcher (a lot of people don't think it gets past Last of Us!)

Leonhart4 posted...

Oh, Zelda will always rise to the challenge

i mean link has but his games are a different story. Not sure botw is this universally loved game people claim it to be.

Seanchan posted...

I'm a different person than I was 20 years ago, so I'm not worried about what I felt then versus what I feel now. Also, the nature of social media and fandom has changed drastically in that time.

I find it somewhat ironic that THIS topic, which loves to analyze and obsess (and I mean that mildly) over data, X-Stats, and relative strength within a franchise, would be okay with rallies. Think of all the conversation about how X result isn't "true" and has to be adjusted because of XYZ rally factor. How we never had a match between C and D because JKL getting rallied ruined it.

I know it's all silly stuff. And maybe a large part of the analysis fun IS just getting to argue these factors. (It's not a controlled experiment after all.)

I wonder what the results would look like if these were just polls without an actual contest and prizes. Take bracket votes, and the herd mentality of trying to win, out of play because that's certainly affected voting over these last 2 decades. What changes? Is the LAW still the LAW? (Yes of course but I bet some other things might change.)

The game I’m rallying for is going to lose (and might have won had I never bothered!), and I still love this stuff. Contests are always more fun where there’s madness and nonsense.

That there are people who would rather we have a dead site entirely just blows my mind.

Leonhart4 posted...

I think this topic by and large doesn't like rallies

It’s split 50/50, which is probably a good thing!

MechanicalWall posted...

I'm not necessarily arguing that DkS could beat BotW itself to win the whole thing; BotW is on another planet.

But Dark Souls making the finals already means it scored big big upsets against Skyrim and Witcher (a lot of people don't think it gets past Last of Us

pre contest sure

who is taking TLOU now? Probably some. But less than a month ago

Yuri_LowelI posted...

i mean link has but his games are a different story. Not sure botw is this universally loved game people claim it to be.

His games have never really needed to. Not saying BOTW would even win but they'd try

Dark Souls should be overwhelmingly the favorite against last of us regardless of rallies.

Witcher is still the rally beast potential king. That thing has like five hugely active related subreddits to go for. If this topic is losing it over a rally in a sub that is essentially a ghost town then it better strap in for later

UltimaterializerX posted...

The game I’m rallying for is going to lose (and might have won had I never bothered!), and I still love this stuff. Contests are always more fun where there’s madness and nonsense.

That there are people who would rather we have a dead site entirely just blows my mind.

Not what this is about. Stop changing the argument. Rallies don't breathe life into the site.

r/gaming as a whole is a Witcher subreddit

Praise Geraldo

the thing is that depending on the size and disposition of the subreddit it can be very hard for a rally to gain traction.

else you could get fortnite to win the contest

UltimaterializerX posted...

The game I’m rallying for is going to lose (and might have won had I never bothered!), and I still love this stuff. Contests are always more fun where there’s madness and nonsense.

That there are people who would rather we have a dead site entirely just blows my mind.

I understand your point, but have these contests actually brought any lasting new traffic to the site?

I know everyone here loves the contests, but Board 8 sometimes feels like it's so in it's own little bubble in regards to these things.

KamikazePotato posted...

Witcher is still the rally beast potential king. That thing has like five hugely active related subreddits to go for. If this topic is losing it over a rally in a sub that is essentially a ghost town then it better strap in for later

Eh, rallies make me care less, not more, and the bigger the rally, the less I care.

A failed rally topic in r/gaming for Witcher 3 still gets more people coming to vote than Octopath's pinned one.

We also cannot overstate enough how large and active the BotW community is. That game stayed alive in a way that no other Zelda game ever has before. It has its own subreddit with over 500k subscribers that is three times as active as any Souls subreddit, it is still all over twitter, and even in terms of sales it is doing Mario Kart trends and numbers. Even on here it's a permanent fixture in the top ten games. The only game from the current decade that has done anything similar is The Witcher 3 as discussed.

~Toss a vote to your Witcher, O rally of plenty~

Sharinnegan posted...

disposition of the subreddit

That's why Dark Souls and Witcher should be considered top threats here

Fire Emblem has a big community both on Reddit and elsewhere. I don't think they give a s*** if Three Houses wins its matches here.

Dark Souls AND Witcher fanboys have big superiority complexes regarding their games. Leonhart comparing them to Melee fanboys is pretty accurate I think.

I like rallies when they make an individual match more interesting

I do not like rallies when they invalidate the entire concept of contest strength, making things less interesting.

Nothing hypocritical about that!

Yeah, it takes a certain type of fanbase for a rally to take hold and it's generally not a great one...!

The Fire Emblem fanbase rallied Three Houses to win the Game Awards' user voting award but they were also annoyed at it getting snubbed in almost every category. Don't think they care much about GameFAQs

DoctorJimmy133 posted...

I like rallies when they make an individual match more interesting

I do not like rallies when they invalidate the entire concept of contest strength, making things less interesting.

Nothing hypocritical about that!

Wow, how dare you give a nuanced opinion! It must be all or nothing!

BotW fanbase absolutely has that mentality, of course the game has been so universally accepted as GotD from mainstream culture that they have never been "under attack" enough to express it.

Everyone assumes rallies is why Octopath has strength. I didn't pick Octopath because I thought it would get rallies I picked it because of the only poll it has ever appeared in.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7463-best-of-2018-switch

In this poll, although its crowded by games and potential SFF, Octopath was clearly better than top tier Indie games like Hollow Knight and Celeste.

I thought it had a shot at Undertale, who's strength isn't great unless propped up by a giant contest shattering rally. Then I thought it would put away Shovel Knight because Hollow > Shovel imo.

Admittedly, the matches have been way closer than I thought they would be, but Octopath is not a weakling. It totally has top tier Indie strength...as the rest of the Board now sees.

Worth noting that Octopath had basically completed the comeback by the time the rally went up. Based on trends for Octopath/Undertale, Shovel Knight/Dragon's Dogma, and Celeste/Rayman, it was going to win with or without the rally on a subreddit that no one goes to.

Rayman got the killer blow with roughly 4 hours left of the match.

Leonhart4 posted...

Oh, Zelda will always rise to the challenge

the hero we need but not the one we deserve

DoctorJimmy133 posted...

I like rallies when they make an individual match more interesting

I do not like rallies when they invalidate the entire concept of contest strength, making things less interesting.

Nothing hypocritical about that!

This. Plus to be fair Draven and Undertale had the perfect Round 1 opponents to go on a tear.

Leonhart4 posted...

Not what this is about. Stop changing the argument. Rallies don't breathe life into the site.

I can’t change an argument I’ve been making for 16 years.

Regardless, Octodad Traveling gets fed to Mario next round so that will be that.

I'm not doubting Octopath could have (and maybe would have) won this legit, but it would've been a lot more in doubt, so I don't see how that made this more exciting.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I can’t change an argument I’ve been making for 16 years.

I mean

you went from a colts fan to a Patriots fan sooooo

Instead of rallying, in an ideal world we would just make people more aware (via 'neutral' gaming sites) that there is a contest going on and they can vote how they see fit.

Increase traffic to the site/contest.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I can’t change an argument I’ve been making for 16 years.

Sure you can.

Or if you are so utterly incapable of change, at least save it for when it's actually applicable

Leonhart4 posted...

I'm not doubting Octopath could have (and maybe would have) won this legit, but it would've been a lot more in doubt, so I don't see how that made this more exciting.

I don't deny this, I just disagree with the inevitable narrative that this only happened because of a rally.

Personally I just think it's funny people on this board (and maybe outside it) likely voted Octopath just cuz it beat Undertale.

Just desserts?

junk_funk posted...

Everyone assumes rallies is why Octopath has strength.

Octopath gained 100 extra votes in 10 minutes the moment the rally was pinned. That's not an assumption, the data is there.

Rallies are not the reason Octopath is as strong as Shovel Knight, but they are likely the reason it's winning.

Cavedweller2000 posted...

Instead of rallying, in an ideal world we would just make people more aware (via 'neutral' gaming sites) that there is a contest going on and they can vote how they see fit.

Increase traffic to the site/contest.

This is how Draven happened, fyi.