Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1338

With R1 basically over, I see some people debating what turd of the round is. Tales, Isaac, I get the argument for those...Celeste, totally disagree with...Dragon Age, I get but it doesn't surprise me much...The Witness has an argument to be the weakest of the contest...

...but in my book, Undertale told other games to hold its beer more than any other game here. Turd of the round material for sure.

Star of the round is probably Mario Odyssey.

My vote goes to Dragon Age.

HaRRicH posted...

With R1 basically over, I see some people debating what turd of the round is. Tales, Isaac, I get the argument for those...Celeste, totally disagree with...Dragon Age, I get but it doesn't surprise me much...The Witness has an argument to be the weakest of the contest...

...but in my book, Undertale told other games to hold its beer more than any other game here. Turd of the round material for sure.

Star of the round is probably Mario Odyssey.

isaac is a turd of youre clueless about what games gamefaqs likes. How the hell can you be a turd losing to a AAA souls like when youre a no name indie?

easily dragon age. Losing to what was an xbox exclusive for a while.

Turd is sonic.
Star is Ori

HaRRicH posted...

With R1 basically over, I see some people debating what turd of the round is. Tales, Isaac, I get the argument for those...Celeste, totally disagree with...Dragon Age, I get but it doesn't surprise me much...The Witness has an argument to be the weakest of the contest...

...but in my book, Undertale told other games to hold its beer more than any other game here. Turd of the round material for sure.

Star of the round is probably Mario Odyssey.

Turd of the round: The Walking Dead(epic fail wow) or Undertale(lol owned)
Star of the round: DOOM or Mario Odyssey

This feels so much less hype than RL/DBZ despite being the clearly more exciting match by-the-numbers. A little reminder that the nature of the entrants matter a LOT.

I care about both of these games more than either of those games, lol.

Turd is Undertale just like Draven was turd last time. Even if disregarding the stigma of a former champion losing in R1, most of us had it winning two rounds, so it cost B8ers more points than any other loser anyway.

Stars were plentiful, but I'll go ahead and give my vote to Hollow Knight for jumpstarting the INDIES trend and for putting what was an open-and-shut R2 match into serious question.

Undertale did fine, although I was worried about it losing to Octopath the moment the bracket came out so I wasnt surprised when it happened

Dragon Age is the only R1 match where my reaction was 'lol seriously'

Is this the start of the Celeste steam train or will Rayman win the next update and increase the gap to 30 again...

KamikazePotato posted...

Undertale did fine, although I was worried about it losing to Octopath the moment the bracket came out so I wasnt surprised when it happened

Dragon Age is the only R1 match where my reaction was 'lol seriously'

Yeah pretty much this.

Surprisingly, Octopath was a bigger Guru upset than Ori (I mean that's really surprising to me). Even if many of us understood the possibility of Undertale laying an egg, few people actually took the chance on Octopath. More people risked it with Ori.

Dragon Age is definitely the turd of the round. I'd be willing to give the star to Odyssey for making a lot of us reconsider a match we thought would be open and shut.

I second Sonic Mania as a turd of the round contender. That was a Pyrrhic victory if I ever saw one.

CaptainOfCrush posted...

This feels so much less hype than RL/DBZ despite being the clearly more exciting match by-the-numbers. A little reminder that the nature of the entrants matter a LOT.

Matter of opinion. I think this match has much more hype. Platformer vs platformer, highly acclaimed indie vs. Ubisoft's mascot platformer.

CaptainOfCrush posted...

Surprisingly, Octopath was a bigger Guru upset than Ori (I mean that's really surprising to me). Even if many of us understood the possibility of Undertale laying an egg, few people actually took the chance on Octopath. More people risked it with Ori.

Well, I expected Undertale to get anti-voted, but I went with Shovel Knight instead.

Undertale had the contest winner's aura going for it to boost prediction numbers but there was always a good chance it lost, even without antivotes. I've said it before, but I think Octopath is the strongest 'lower seed in the match' entrant in the bracket outside of Mario Kart 8.

TheCodeisBosco posted...

I second Sonic Mania as a turd of the round contender. That was a Pyrrhic victory if I ever saw one.

It's the biggest turd that actually won its match. I would agree with that much.

Uhhh rayman is still winning? It had a 30 vote lead like 3 hours ago.

I'm not sure what people were expecting from Sonic Mania. It could still win next round.

I would have Dragon Age #1 with Undertale a conditional #2 barring round 2, and Mania #3. If Octopath gets its doors blown off by Shovel Knight in R2 somehow, Undertale is probably a lock for turd of the contest?

Turd is definitely Donkey Kong. Can't break 43% against DMC5 on NintendoFAQs? C'mon.

Star is either Horizon Zero Dawn or Witcher 3.

KamikazePotato posted...

I'm not sure what people were expecting from Sonic Mania. It could still win next round.

More than 62%! It could still win, but that's a bad performance by a mainstream series on a niche game.

KamikazePotato posted...

I've said it before, but I think Octopath is the strongest 'lower seed in the match' entrant in the bracket outside of Mario Kart 8.

I would put XC2 over Octopath as well.

Definitely don't agree with Undertale getting the turd. The fandom's been dead for 3 years now, we have two polls showing a large portion of the people on this site will never touch it because of the 2015 contest, and it's been quiet on social media sites for years. There was no hype or energy for anybody to come in and help it out, and given that this site generally has unfavorable views on it, it's base strength was not looking good either.

I'm not going to say it was an easy call (though I do personally think it was an easy call >_>), but Undertale making it to round 3 was... certainly optimistic thinking for anybody who had it going there.

Sonic Mania is very lucky to be facing Meat Boy next round. It'd get the doors blown off of it by any other second round opponent it could have gotten.

Leonhart4 posted...

More than 62%! It could still win, but that's a bad performance by a mainstream series on a niche game.

Yeah, I nominated Ys VIII, but never expected it to crack 20% on Sonic. 37% is absurd.

snake_5036 posted...

I'm not going to say it was an easy call (though I do personally think it was an easy call >_>), but Undertale making it to round 3 was... certainly optimistic thinking for anybody who had it going there.

Fair enough, though hindsight is also at play here. More people in these parts (and I believe that's usually our general metric when assigning Stars and Turds) actually took the risk on Ori than on Octopath. Undertale was the biggest Guru upset of the round and it cost people more points, as hardly anyone took Dragon Age to win two matches.

Fire Emblem: Three Houses only beating South Park: The Stick of Truth by 66% is not that impressive either from a supposed favourite.

But turd of the round? Has to go to Dragon Age.

I think South Park is one of the stronger low seeds so I wasn't too worried about that one.

South Park might not be that weak:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5547-whats-your-pick-for-game-of-the-year-so-far

The problem Three Houses has is it only did okay when its competition went big.

WarThaNemesis2 posted...

Sonic Mania is very lucky to be facing Meat Boy next round. It'd get the doors blown off of it by any other second round opponent it could have gotten.

Let's be fair. Sonic would beat Bastion, AC: Black Flag, Journey, Yakuza 0, Rocket League, and possibly others.

Does anyone know the biggest vote lead that Celeste and Rayman have had so far?

The Sonic series' strongest games, which are WAY stronger than the rest of the series, are standard midcarders. Sonic diehards played and liked Mania but how many of them are there left? Brand name doesnt mean you're suddenly worth anything - and the brand isn't even that strong to begin with. I'm honestly not sure where people thought this strength for Sonic Mania could materialize - as an example, Super Mario Maker was a much bigger deal and came from a bigger brand and it sucked.

Celeste had 333 and Rayman literally just got his last update with 59 i believe.

plasmabeam posted...

Let's be fair. Sonic would beat Bastion, AC: Black Flag, Journey, Yakuza 0, Rocket League, and possibly others.

I don't think it beats any of these outside of maybe Journey.

I don’t think you can really have much definitive in a contest where half the entries are so weak they don’t deserve to make a bracket. I used to do huge round 1 winners/losers and this is like, Doom crushed Inside so woohoo I guess?

I think Rayman will win this match.

transcience posted...

I don’t think you can really have much definitive in a contest where half the entries are so weak they don’t deserve to make a bracket. I used to do huge round 1 winners/losers and this is like, Doom crushed Inside so woohoo I guess?

It's a shame they had the "2 games per series" limit. I get why that rule was implemented, but it also ensures an abundance of fodder.

plasmabeam posted...

Let's be fair. Sonic would beat Bastion, AC: Black Flag, Journey, Yakuza 0, Rocket League, and possibly others.

I'm not ready to say Sonic Mania beats Bastion or Rocket League.

KamikazePotato posted...

I don't think it beats any of these outside of maybe Journey.

Journey was an epic game. I'm so happy it won over that Fate: Go bs.

I'd say Journey is the weakest game left.

I would say Sonic Mania beats all of those but Rocket League, personally.

I don't understand this match at all. Rayman won the morning vote and the day vote. It should have put this away hours ago.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I don't understand this match at all. Rayman won the morning vote and the day vote. It should have put this away hours ago.

I guess said wins weren't convincing enough for Rayman Legends to build itself a solid lead. Even a 51-49 score in its favour would've been good enough at this point in time, I think.

No, it basically only won the night vote actually. They've gone back and forth the rest of the time.

Yeah, this match has essentially been 50/50 for the last several hours.

Great match. Play Rayman legends! And Rayman 2 the great escape while you're at it.

Play Doom Eternal.

Really!