Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1332

Melee dodged a bullet by losing to Undertale - you want to talk about bad fandoms...

LinkMarioSamus posted...

Could also just be general anti-voting of something popular, in similar fashion to GTA and Halo.

Yes, if anything , I think the Undertale community spamming everywhere during it's period of glory soured far more people than the result of gamefaqs Contest.
That's still an anti vote, but more for the same reason as Fortnite is antivoted.

Lightning Strikes posted...

Melee dodged a bullet by losing to Undertale - you want to talk about bad fandoms...

I actually want to see Melee in a contest now because it may get anti-voted too! Wonder what can beat it now.

It didn't dodge a bullet at all! It killed the people's favorite Crono, and people hate it for doing what is basically a pointless rally.

19 points from me so far.

Yuri_LowelI posted...

what is wrong with you? No seriously WTF is wrong with you.

are you still recovering from Brawl Loss in 2010? I know that was hard for you.

I'm sorry, the f***? Brawl beat Melee handily in 2010?

ZeldaTPLink posted...

I really doubt any 13 year olds play Undertale!

The average Undertale fan is probably in college rn.

Anecdotal, but my cousin's 13 year old daughter is obsessed with Undertale. He's always posting pictures of her drawings, and half of them have the Undertale skeleton guy in them

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Anecdotal, but my cousin's 13 year old daughter is obsessed with Undertale. He's always posting pictures of her drawings, and half of them have the Undertale skeleton guy in them

Fair enough. I'm just assuming the fandom is the same that formed in 2015, but it could get new fans. I don't know what kids these days like.

SuperNiceDog posted...

playing Octopath Traveler now... the game is not bad, it's actually kinda good

I started playing it about 2 weeks ago. It was on sale in the eShop, half price. Wasn't expecting much from it at all. It's a pretty damn good game.

In other news, looks like Shovel Knight must have boosted, else direct extrapolation from 2015 has Dragon's Dogma getting 27% on San Andreas. DD can't be THAT weak.

there has been new SK content in the past year

and amiibo

Undertale was released on Switch as well and had some small Smash exposure recently. I'd be surprised if it hadn't gathered some new fans since 2015

Also i'm surprised that Hollow Knight's reddit is actually bigger than Undertale.
Not in subscriber count (but that rarely go down even when people stop following a subreddit) but in general activity or average connection

LinkMarioSamus posted...

In other news, looks like Shovel Knight must have boosted, else direct extrapolation from 2015 has Dragon's Dogma getting 27% on San Andreas. DD can't be THAT weak.

Why not? While I agree Shovel Knight has a lot of reasons to be stronger, I don't see Dragon's Dogma being worth much.

Primrose got around 26% on Zero, not too bad for a character in an ensemble cast game. That's about the same Lloyd Irving got in 2005 and we all know Tales of Symphonia has some strength. I know, characters =/= games in terms of strength, but Undertale may end up looking a bit respectable once this is over.

Safer_777 posted...

Why people think Undertale is getting anti voted? It isn't popular. Simple as that. 5 years have pased you know. Thousands of other games have come out. I mean the game hasn't even got a sequel.

Yeah, but it got a survey program.

Raka_Putra posted...

Yeah, but it got a survey program.

...Should we tell him?

Averia posted...

Also i'm surprised that Hollow Knight's reddit is actually bigger than Undertale.
Not in subscriber count (but that rarely go down even when people stop following a subreddit) but in general activity or average connection

Eh, It's not really that surprising to me.

I can't pretend I'm an expert on fandom, but my impression is that Undertale is one of those "fad" games along with stuff like FNAF, Doki Doki, etc where it gets super popular quickly and attracts a lot of people that are more into it for the community/fanart/memes/etc but then it burns out quickly as well when people get bored and move onto something else.

Whereas Hollow Knight is more of a traditional game, where it has a lower peak and you don't see its fan art and cosplay spammed everywhere, but its popularity holds up better long term.

I hate that Undertale is considered a meme game because while it's true its popularity peaked really high and faded, it's still genuinely an amazing game that evokes the '90s a million times better than Octopath.

But that is the thing. Untertale is a meme game and Octopath is a very serious game with a really dark tone too.

Octopath is not strong at all. Shovel Knight will likely break 60% on it.

charmander6000 posted...

Why not? While I agree Shovel Knight has a lot of reasons to be stronger, I don't see Dragon's Dogma being worth much.

DD has a hardcore fanbase, but apparently it's not big enough to challenge one of the top indies. Makes you wonder why Binding of Isaac vs Nioh was way more debated when that matchup has a very similar dynamic.

Hey can someone neutral make the next topic? I can only access my main while at work.

I think the other component to Undertale's precipitous drop is that "r@nd0m m3m3 cuLtUr3" isn't nearly as "cool" as it was in 2015.

Undertale is the epitome of "t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m" weirdos, and 2015 is probably the biggest that subculture was.

I think that while Undertale is considered a “meme game”, it’s still popular in its own right. It just that popularity doesn’t translate to doing well on GameFAQs unless it has a rally behind it.

Undertale got acclaimed in part because it wasn’t a meme game despite appearing like one. It’s a great RPG with a tonne of substance. Then the internet ruined everything as it always does.

Lightning Strikes posted...

Undertale got acclaimed in part because it wasn’t a meme game despite appearing like one. It’s a great RPG with a tonne of substance. Then the internet ruined everything as it always does.

Yeah, Undertale wasn't really a meme game.
However, the Internet transformed it into one. Or at least altered the public perception of it for enough people that it's now considered a meme game.

YoUr GoNnA hAvE a BaD tImE

Exactly.

Also Octopath vs. Shovel Knight screams 55-45 in favour of Shovel Knight to me.

scaryice posted...

DD has a hardcore fanbase, but apparently it's not big enough to challenge one of the top indies.

Which is a damn shame because it really is an amazing game of fantastic quality.

charmander6000 posted...

Why not? While I agree Shovel Knight has a lot of reasons to be stronger, I don't see Dragon's Dogma being worth much.

Yeah but failing to break 30% on GTA is quite a level of fail.

Go Square RPG!

I’m rooting for Octopath next round.

Tekken 7 vs Mortal Mombat 11?

SMO is now the favorite over Smash. Doesn't mean it won't lose but just based off results there's no other way to go atm

Agreed. I am finding it hard to see how Odyssey isn’t at least on a par with Ultimate indirectly. However, Ultimate could win by asserting the hierarchy.

I've had Odyssey sitting near my TV for over a year and still haven't booted it up. It's like I'm subconsciously saving it because I know it'll be that damn good.

I would be very, very surprised if Smash lost.

That said, it’s likely to get anti voted against Mario and that could really swing a close match. Smash fans are the worst fans in all of entertainment.

Super Mario Odyssey is amazing. The first big Switch game I played that wasn’t disappointing in the slightest.

I may get a Switch this year, finally.

If I do, my priority list is

1- BotW
2- Odyseey
3- Untitled Goose Game

Then I'll think about the rest.

swordz9 posted...

Super Mario Odyssey is amazing. The first big Switch game I played that wasn’t disappointing in the slightest.

Wow you know it's good if swordz isn't acting like a hipster about it!

CaptainOfCrush posted...

I've had Odyssey sitting near my TV for over a year and still haven't booted it up. It's like I'm subconsciously saving it because I know it'll be that damn good.

do it. it'll make it all the sweeter if Odyssey can pull off the upset of the contest.

it just hit me that Smash/Odyssey is setting up to be just like Smash/Chrono Trigger last time around, and if history repeats itself there I'm going to be so mad

transience posted...

it just hit me that Smash/Odyssey is setting up to be the just like Smash/Chrono Trigger last time around, and if history repeats itself there I'm going to be so mad

Is the Ultimate fanbase as bad as the hardcore Melee fanbase? We'll find out!

transience posted...

do it. it'll make it all the sweeter if Odyssey can pull off the upset of the contest.

RE3 and FFVII beckon. Maybe post-contest!

I never thought I would see the day when yoblazer would prioritize FF7 over Mario

Leonhart4 posted...

Is the Ultimate fanbase as bad as the hardcore Melee fanbase? We'll find out!

not a chance. Iltimate fanbase isnt really dedicated.

most of these people are smash fans who move onto next game whenever new one comes out. Melee will always have its hardcore supporters.

also ultimate and odyssey look to be around the same strength.

CT was significantly stronger than base Melee

transience posted...

I never thought I would see the day when yoblazer would prioritize FF7 over Mario

He's all grown up

I'm so proud

At this point I expect SMO to keep putting up higher numbers than SSBU this division, but my true test to see if we have a fraud alert-situation with SSBU is if God of War sinks or swims. if it falters, I mean...SSBU didn't exactly impress against it in a GotY we all expected SSBU to win:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7471-best-of-2018-game-of-the-year
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7472-best-of-2018-game-of-the-year-final-vote
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7473-best-of-2018-game-of-the-year-final-final-vote

I've thought SSBU would be the #2 game in this contest despite those numbers due to GoW probably also being legit, seeing SSBM and SSBB both nearly win the last GotD contest, and Mario not having a stronger title here than its generation's SSB-game since the Nintendo 64.

If GoW doesn't score blow-outs in its first two rounds and impress/win against FO:NV though...yeah, SMO could steal that favorite-status and earn the right to be slaughtered by LoZ:BotW instead.

Who the hell doesnt vote in every match? Was just looking over some of the detailed results and they dont have the same amount of votes.

Part of me wants to see SMO go to the final and part of me would prefer seeing Smash lose to BotW instead because SMO is a significantly better game than BotW

Play Return of the Obra Dinn