Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1331

It's not so much people thinking less as the franchises' general stock going down.

Also as 2 is the middle chapter in the saga it may be more vulnerable to unsatisfying conclusions, just a thought.

Also RE2 finally above 83%. INSIDE might be able to push over 15% by the end of the match which would mean it avoids the largest beatdown! Such a great victory lol.

MoogleKupo141 posted...

open question to the topic: do any of you actually like Mass Effect 2 or any of the Fallouts less because of Andromeda or 76?

I don’t think a bad game later in a series has ever made me sour on a game I already liked. If anything, 76 has made me appreciate how good New Vegas was even more.

Like XIII said, it's not an overt decision. It just dilutes your passion for the series and then you're voting against it in situations when you would have previously voted for it just because your feelings aren't as strong as they used to be.

MoogleKupo141 posted...

open question to the topic: do any of you actually like Mass Effect 2 or any of the Fallouts less because of Andromeda or 76?

I don’t think a bad game later in a series has ever made me sour on a game I already liked. If anything, 76 has made me appreciate how good New Vegas was even more.

ME2 is one of my favourite games of all time. It doesn't matter what comes after. That game will always be in my fond memories

People didn't stop caring about Zelda when Skyward Sword s*** the bed.

Except Skyward Sword is way, way better than any of those and it’s not even close. Skyward Sword is seen well, just as a lesser Zelda is all.

It's also case-specific. I could see Fallout 3 taking a bit of a dip, but don't think New Vegas has been hurt at all by the series' current issues.

Lightning Strikes posted...

Also as 2 is the middle chapter in the saga it may be more vulnerable to unsatisfying conclusions, just a thought.

This makes some sense with regard to 3’s effect on 2, but we would have already seen that in the last games contest. Andromeda’s story is pretty much unrelated as far as I know.

MoogleKupo141 posted...

This makes some sense with regard to 3’s effect on 2, but we would have already seen that in the last games contest. Andromeda’s story is pretty much unrelated as far as I know.

Yeah, Andromeda has very little to do with the original series. It's just set in the same universe.

I was more referring to the Internet in general being less enthusiastic about those franchises.

The Mass Effect trilogy, two games in and heading toward the finale in 2011-2012, was the closest thing I've seen to seeing a modern legend on the terms of hype and fandom that FF7 and LoZ:OoT had. This should have been the original Star Wars trilogy of our medium.

Then we saw Mass Effect 3 come out. It completely forfeited 2012's GotY-championship it had waiting on it, originally just taking second to Borderlands 2 but then afterward taking third to Xenoblade too. Three years later, we figured out Undertale was capable of being rallied...but its bandwagon couldn't catch on as well as it did without an opponent to rally against either, and ME3 was THE game to make that perfect storm happen.

ME3 clearly hurt the brand in a major way. You couldn't deny that the first and second games made big impacts and had fans, but they were all working toward the same story and ME3 threw it away for a bunch of people.

Now, Andormeda had some legitimate hype from people hoping Bioware learned some lessons and would be ready to grow from them...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5911-which-newly-announced-title-at-e3-this-year-are-you-most
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6206-which-scheduled-2016-game-are-you-most-looking-forward-to
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6581-which-scheduled-first-quarter-game-are-you-most-looking
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6623-which-scheduled-march-release-are-you-most-looking-forward

...pretty good numbers! ME-fans recognized there was a stinker of an ending but that the series was big enough with plenty of high points that quite a few of them saw some value in giving a second chance.

Then it was proven to be clearly rushed and people got tired of giving it a second chance. Again, major damage to the brand -- half the series now consists of blunders of the generation.

I recently had it framed for me like this: I showed an offline friend the bracket a few days ago, and he was big into ME1 and ME2 before hating ME3 and skipping ME:A. My friend asked me not only why was Mass Effect 2 a one-seed in this contest, but why was it even in the contest at all. He stopped looking before seeing ME3 also made it into the contest, which is probably best for him.

(plus Mass Effect 2's abbreviation is ME2 and #metoo has been devastating for reputations since its release....)

I expect ME2 to still have strength. RE7's numbers don't worry me really -- I'm giving RE7 the benefit of the doubt. We've also seen ME2 do well last year in a multi-way poll, including beating its 2010 GotY runner-up SMG2 worse than it did in 2010 and beating one of its potential upcoming opponents in RE2 (though it is not clear which RE2 was more in the forefront with voters on this poll)...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7514-whats-your-all-time-favorite-2-game

...but one-on-one in a contest, I don't think we've ever seen what ME2 could have been before the damage was done. This is also the first contest we've seen ME2 in since Andromeda came out.

It can still win the division, but I don't trust it. Sticking with RE2 > ME2.

I blame the Mass Effect fanbase almost as much as I blame BioWare themselves for what ultimately happened to the series. I think the word "toxic" gets overused these days, but it applies there.

The fanbase went off the rails, I agree.

The original ending of ME3 was terrible, but they did go and try to make it better. Not amazing, but something. But then they gave us Citadel, which is the single best DLC in any game ever, which should have brought everyone back around.

Andromeda should never have been released as it was though. It took people right back to ME3 ending levels of vitrol and literally killed the series.

That's on everyone though.

How high does Black Ops go on Trails in the Sky?

Yeah I think the fact that Mass Effect is straight up a dead series is worth noting. Not in the exaggerated internet sense either, EA explicitly shelved it. We have seen from Half-Life 2 what that can do to a game’s strength, and that was a series without any bad stuff!

Gall posted...

How high does Black Ops go on Trails in the Sky?

perhaps as high as 40%!

LeonhartFour posted...

perhaps as high as 40%!

I think it's a comparable match to Halo/Life is Strange. I know Black Ops is bad but saying it'd lose is overrating Trails.

Lightning Strikes posted...

Yeah I think the fact that Mass Effect is straight up a dead series is worth noting. Not in the exaggerated internet sense either, EA explicitly shelved it. We have seen from Half-Life 2 what that can do to a game’s strength, and that was a series without any bad stuff!

The Chrono series has been dead for ages and they are probably stronger than ever.

Trigger sure, not Cross necessarily. Chrono Trigger gets loads of rereleases and Europe finally got to play it. Square refuses to acknowledge Cross’s existence.

Also 90’s nostalgia

Is Mass Effect 2 actually a good game? I've never played it, have only seen the trailer

Yes it is very good. One of the all time best casts of characters in an RPG.

I do believe in future installments killing the goodwill of what came before, like TWD's show (and Telltale's fall from grace) killing what was left of the game. If there had been a hypothetical midcarder Game of Thrones game in the contest, it wouldn't have done well today either.

Advokaiser posted...

The Chrono series has been dead for ages and they are probably stronger than ever.

Chrono Trigger is the biggest RPG here for the last 2D console.

Mass Effect 2 is from a dead series initially released on consoles nobody plays anymore.

SuperNiceDog posted...

Is Mass Effect 2 actually a good game? I've never played it, have only seen the trailer

Mass Effect 2 really really deserves it’s seed. I used to think that no games released this millenium would ever be able to take a top place in my top 10 of all time, but Mass Effect 2 was instant love.

MoogleKupo141 posted...

Yes it is very good. One of the all time best casts of characters in an RPG.

Niceee... ok I might have to give it a try.

I only give Bioware 5% of the blame, if that, for the ME3 ending nonsense.

The fanbase acted like a bunch of entitled brat crybabies and killed that series long before Andromeda came out, but people like to use the convenient SJW excuse for why the series died. And trust me, if that excuse were valid I would be all over it.

The thing with SJWs is you can just ignore them and all of them eventually move on to complaining about something else. Anita Sarkeesian, for example, is credited for ruining Mass Effect Andromeda. However, I disagree. She is running a broke nonprofit because she blew through 1.6 million dollars and no longer has any money -- largely because she's a hypocritical idiot and a fraud (both of which were exposed wonderfully by Sargon of Akaad, by the way), and the moron was dumb enough to make her company a nonprofit charity, so the numbers are all in the public record by law.

All that said, I'm still convinced the fans would have hated Andromeda even had Bioware ignored that idiot. Bioware fans in general are an embarrassment. Mass Effect is not alone here. Those people b**** nonstop about Dragon Age and Anthem, and are one of the only fanbases on the planet that make EA look sympathetic.

Oh man, we have the potential for two upsets tomorrow. I think Spiderman is safe, but that Minecraft/Dota match is, uh..... hoo boy.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Oh man, we have the potential for two upsets tomorrow. I think Spiderman is safe, but that Minecraft/Dota match is, uh..... hoo boy.

Is there a reason to believe anyone still cares about Dead Space?

I still care about it!

but also I don’t think even at the height of people caring about it it would have beat this Spider-Man game

MoogleKupo141 posted...

I still care about it!

but also I don’t think even at the height of people caring about it it would have beat this Spider-Man game

This exactly.

I mean after Walking Dead totally bombed against a game that might not break 25% in round 2, who knows!

Guess what time it is? It's match pic time!

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Are you ready to see Minecraft quadrupling its competition?

UltimaterializerX posted...

I mean after Walking Dead totally bombed against a game that might not break 25% in round 2, who knows!

I wouldn't compare Walking Dead to Spider-Man at all

Link in the middle of the pic to remind everyone of the LAW.

Oh man, dat Spidey.

Question:

Is SSB Ultimate going to SFF Tekken?

Advokaiser posted...

Question:

Is SSB Ultimate going to SFF Tekken?

Smash isn't a fighting game, so no.

lol, good one...

Leonhart4 posted...

Smash isn't a fighting game, so no.

EVO themselves settled that debate by including Smash in their tournament every year. Smash is definitely a fighting game.

You're a smart guy, so I'm sure you know the meaning of popular use in our language. That applies here.

I'm sure you understand sarcasm

If you like Tekken, you hate Smash Bros.

If you like Smash Bros., you probably don't care about Tekken.

Your posting style definitely doesn't convey sarcasm very well <_<

Nameless2000 posted...

If you like Tekken, you hate Smash Bros.

If you like Smash Bros., you probably don't care about Tekken.

This is accurate. I don't dislike Tekken, I just don't care about it.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Your posting style definitely doesn't convey sarcasm very well <_<

That's part of the allure. Sometimes you can't tell!

Any overlap between SSBU and Tekken would have to be from fans of fighting games. Not really the GameFAQs crowd. Even then the overlap would be less than, say, Tekken/Street FIghter.

Leonhart4 posted...

That's part of the allure. Sometimes you can't tell!

I always knew deep down your Squall fandom was sarcastic.

WarThaNemesis2 posted...

I always knew deep down your Squall fandom was sarcastic.

The longest running gag on the board

Leonhart4 posted...

The longest running gag on the board

...... whatever

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/6-gamefaqs-announcements/78523570

"Voting for the current Game of the Decade battles will be disabled during this time. We don't foresee this having any kind of impact on the results."

Driving another nail into my tiebreaker.