FFDragon 3/16/2020 8:16:05 AM#401
LinkMarioSamus posted...
People do not care about that franchise past the first one or two generations.

Isn't the one game in this contest technically the second generation?
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LeonhartFour 3/16/2020 8:19:10 AM#402
plasmabeam posted...
It's a viable upset

this is crazy talk

Skyrim would have to have massively dropped or Mario 64 would've had to lay an absolute SFF beatdown on MK8 despite being relatively close in strength for that to even be remotely viable

I don't get what's going on with people being so dismissive of Skyrim
LeonhartFour 3/16/2020 8:19:26 AM#403
FFDragon posted...
Isn't the one game in this contest technically the second generation?

yeah but did Gen 1 or 2 fans even play it
ZeldaTPLink 3/16/2020 8:25:48 AM#404
FFDragon posted...
Isn't the one game in this contest technically the second generation?

It was technically released when everyone who is not a hardcore pokemon player was done with the series, though.
ZeldaTPLink 3/16/2020 8:27:50 AM#405
I mean, at this point your argument should be "do casual voters absolutely treat HGSS as a proxy for GSC?".

And you should totally focus on casual voters, because this is pokemon on gameFAQS we are talking about. They'll take Pikachu to beat Mega Man but won't take any game released after GSC to win a match. Conventional logic about the pokemon fandom doesn't apply here, because this is not the pokemon fandom.
Xenoblade isn’t niche anymore and there are numerous Batman games it could beat. However, Arkham City will be strong. It is the peak of that series.
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swirIdude 3/16/2020 8:29:13 AM#407
Lightning Strikes posted...
Xenoblade isn’t niche anymore

Graduating to a higher level of niche doesn't mean you're not niche.
Advokaiser picked Cloud in Guru and rained on my bracket.
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Yuri_LowelI 3/16/2020 8:35:56 AM#408
swirIdude posted...
Graduating to a higher level of niche doesn't mean you're not niche.

its about as niche as golden sun was back in the day. And we all know what that did.
Yuri_LowelI 3/16/2020 8:36:58 AM#409
LeonhartFour posted...
yeah but did Gen 1 or 2 fans even play it

i did. I love GSC but im not going to vote for HGSC over some other games here
ctesjbuvf 3/16/2020 8:38:21 AM#410
I mean, all things considered GSC did well last gotd contest, we underestimated Majora. The match from 2009, just a year before, with both RBY, Majora, and GSC in it was a good reason for anyone to believe Majora would not win that match. GSC ended up looking just fine.

Remakes in the contest is a new thing, so there's only goty polls to use as reference and we know how uncertain those are. If you want to use them, HGSS looks nothing like anything that can beat NieR. GameFAQs loves RBY and likes GSC, but beyond that Pokemon is nothing special. You basically have to believe that a large group of those would vote for HGSS in the absence of the real gen 1-2, despite having not actually played HGSS. I do believe HGSS could boost slightly from being the sole Pokemon game in the bracket, so its a question of how much.

Oh and GSC strength would not let it go past Skyrim either and GSC strength is a very generous roof of strength to give HGSS. GotD1 did show that being the best Pokemon game in the bracket does not make you stronger than you would be. It's beyond me how anyone thinks Skyrim is not the second safest division winner after BotW, which was discussed earlier, because really large rallies are required for Skyrim to lose that.
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ZeldaTPLink 3/16/2020 8:39:59 AM#411
Persona 5 is safe as f*** too.

... probably.
LeonhartFour 3/16/2020 8:40:31 AM#412
Yuri_LowelI posted...
its about as niche as golden sun was back in the day. And we all know what that did.

beat a game in a series people don't care about here anymore

(also RacistFAQs)

just remember Tales of Symphonia

heck remember Xenoblade in 2015
Yuri_LowelI 3/16/2020 8:43:43 AM#413
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Persona 5 is safe as f*** too.

... probably.

persona 5 is My dark horse to reach final.

Yuri_LowelI 3/16/2020 8:45:17 AM#414
LeonhartFour posted...
beat a game in a series people don't care about here anymore

(also RacistFAQs)

just remember Tales of Symphonia

heck remember Xenoblade in 2015

switch didnt come out in 2015

nintendo fanbase has increased since switch come out. Xenoblade will shock people

if it beats Three houses which i expect it to do then its going to win that division easily
LeonhartFour 3/16/2020 8:46:15 AM#415
Yuri_LowelI posted...
switch didnt come out in 2015

Xenoblade still doesn't exist on Switch

like you're actually betting on Xenoblade beating a very popular Switch game because the Switch exists even though it isn't even on Switch yet

all right then
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Yuri_LowelI 3/16/2020 8:48:09 AM#416
ctesjbuvf posted...
I mean, all things considered GSC did well last gotd contest, we underestimated Majora. The match from 2009, just a year before, with both RBY, Majora, and GSC in it was a good reason for anyone to believe Majora would not win that match. GSC ended up looking just fine.

Remakes in the contest is a new thing, so there's only goty polls to use as reference and we know how uncertain those are. If you want to use them, HGSS looks nothing like anything that can beat NieR. GameFAQs loves RBY and likes GSC, but beyond that Pokemon is nothing special. You basically have to believe that a large group of those would vote for HGSS in the absence of the real gen 1-2, despite having not actually played HGSS. I do believe HGSS could boost slightly from being the sole Pokemon game in the bracket, so its a question of how much.

Oh and GSC strength would not let it go past Skyrim either and GSC strength is a very generous roof of strength to give HGSS. GotD1 did show that being the best Pokemon game in the bracket does not make you stronger than you would be. It's beyond me how anyone thinks Skyrim is not the second safest division winner after BotW, which was discussed earlier, because really large rallies are required for Skyrim to lose that.

i agree to an extent.

also the reason i have no faith in HGSS doing anything(heck i think it could lose to Nier) is because theres a lack of another pokemon game

has pokemon sunk so low that a remake is the only representation of the series this entire decade?

this site just doesnt care about pokemon now. And thats a good thing because the series is garbage now.

Yuri_LowelI 3/16/2020 8:50:05 AM#417
LeonhartFour posted...
Xenoblade still doesn't exist on Switch

like you're actually betting on Xenoblade beating a very popular Switch game because the Switch exists even though it isn't even on Switch yet

all right then

it does exist. Its not a new game and its coming out on switch. Therefore it exists.

xenoblades popularity has increased just by sequels coming out and more exposure

we need to forget 2015.

all im saying is dont underestimate a game like xenoblade.
LeonhartFour 3/16/2020 8:51:03 AM#418
It doesn't exist to the Switch fanbase who hasn't played it on Wii or New 3DS, like me and a lot of people.

also the sequels are pretty divisive so I wouldn't expect Xenoblade 1 to get some love based on the other two even though people played those and not the first
Gall 3/16/2020 10:39:17 AM#419
I think there's a good chance Xenoblade 2 is stronger than 1. Divisive or not, being a 2017 Switch game is a lot better than being a 2012 Wii game.

As for Xenoblade 1 vs. Three Houses, that just seems like a weird Nintendo hierarchy match. I have Xenoblade, but it's a coinflip. I agree that whatever comes out of that probably will win the division.
LeonhartFour 3/16/2020 10:39:51 AM#420
Gall posted...
I think there's a good chance Xenoblade 2 is stronger than 1.

There's a reason Xenoblade 1 is a 3 seed and Xenoblade 2 is a 14 seed.
I never hear anything about Xenoblade 2, but I hear a lot about Xenoblade 1.
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shane15 3/16/2020 11:59:56 AM#422
I think a KOS-MOS sword probably got more attention than the game.
swirIdude 3/16/2020 12:10:49 PM#423
shane15 posted...
I think a KOS-MOS sword probably got more attention than the game.

No lies detected.
Advokaiser picked Cloud in Guru and rained on my bracket.
At least I finished 20th overall!
When did GTAV winning its division being the upset?
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Leonhart4 3/16/2020 12:30:59 PM#425
KamikazePotato posted...
When did GTAV winning its division being the upset?

Since it was a Grand Theft Auto game
Its competition isn't exactly stellar! All of them were clearly weaker than it in 2015. It could still lose because GTA but people are going a little too far in the other direction.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
shane15 3/16/2020 12:38:46 PM#427
If it somehow makes it past Cuphead,RDR or P4 it gets a nice easy match against a Nintendo game.
ZeldaTPLink 3/16/2020 12:40:47 PM#428
KamikazePotato posted...
When did GTAV winning its division being the upset?

From the looks of it, GTA getting past Round 3 might be the upset by the time the bracket locks.

Heck, some people ate taking it to lose to Cuphead.
ZeldaTPLink 3/16/2020 12:41:20 PM#429
shane15 posted...
If it somehow makes it past Cuphead,RDR or P4 it gets a nice easy match against a Nintendo game.

  • Easy match
  • Against Nintendo


Pick one.
shane15 3/16/2020 12:46:26 PM#430
ZeldaTPLink 3/16/2020 12:58:52 PM#431
Considering how much people here seem to be harping on the weakness of Pokémon after the second generation, it's worth noting that RSE and DPP both looked like decent midcarders in GotD I, even if they disappointed compared to expectations. Likewise, XY almost beat Link Between Worlds in GotY voting during the former's honeymoon phase, while SM almost beat Final Fantasy XV to score our GotY 2016 title. I'm not overly confident in HGSS myself, but it's still the smart pick against Nier, a game whose protagonist is likely stronger than her game.

Also, I'm personally not expecting any fireworks from the Xenoblade series this contest. The first game's fourpack is easy enough, but then it runs into Three Houses, which has advantages in every regard, from series fanbase and prestige to current relevance. Meanwhile, the sequel is in a match that would be tough even for the original, let alone its divisive successor.
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3/16/2020 3:05:29 PM#433
I have HGSS beating NieR: Automata but I don't think it's that crazy to have NieR winning. HGSS is a remake and voters might penalize it based on that. The bigger issue is people taking HGSS over Skyrim or even just being on the borderline. Unless you are banking on a Pokemon rally, it's a bad pick. HGSS won't be anywhere near Skyrim in strength.
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Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Contest!
Oh yeah, I didn't mean to imply Nier over HGSS would be some sort of crazy pick, nor that HGSS has any real shot at Skyrim. It's just that I'm personally convinced HGSS to Round 4 is the safe call.
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ctesjbuvf 3/16/2020 4:07:54 PM#435
I do too think it's the safer pick, but if you want to make an upset regarding HGSS, it should be NieR beating it, not Skyrim losing to it. And I'm considering that myself.
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shane15 3/16/2020 4:11:21 PM#436
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Leonhart4 3/16/2020 4:12:37 PM#437
Seriously Allen come on man

We need this contest
abdou 3/16/2020 4:30:07 PM#438
nice.....delayed again.
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Moonroof 3/16/2020 4:54:33 PM#439
Laughing my balls off. We went from March 13 to March 19 to March 26. So what if not enough people entered (that’s the real reason, by the way)? Stay true to the loyal.
swirIdude 3/16/2020 4:55:41 PM#440
Allen is ensuring that all contestants complete a 14 day self quarantine upon arriving at the battle arena.
Advokaiser picked Cloud in Guru and rained on my bracket.
At least I finished 20th overall!
linid0t 3/16/2020 4:58:34 PM#441
Scrap it let's just do it in 2021
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BlAcK TuRtLe 3/16/2020 5:21:19 PM#442
Am I the only person giving Persona absolutely zero credit here?

I've got RDR > P4 and Portal 2 > P5 pretty handily here
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LeonhartFour 3/16/2020 5:22:17 PM#443
Haste_2 3/16/2020 5:22:22 PM#444
swirIdude posted...
Allen is ensuring that all contestants complete a 14 day self quarantine upon arriving at the battle arena.

FINALLY, we know the reason.
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SwiftyDC 3/16/2020 5:28:15 PM#445
Way to kill my hype for this contest.

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Pffffffhhhhhhh

Yuri_LowelI posted...
its about as niche as golden sun was back in the day. And we all know what that did

Yup and Golden Sun was never niche! Really Xenoblade is less niche than Metroid now and we all need to get used to that reality.
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Blaaaaaaargh Advokaiser
ZeldaTPLink 3/16/2020 5:55:24 PM#447
I get it that moving the server to the cloud might be important, but it seems Allen really screwed up with the scheduling for this.
Keltiq 3/16/2020 6:02:27 PM#448
bluuuuuuuuuuh

I figure that the server migration was originally planned for after the contest but it got moved up for whatever reason (it's covid, covid is the reason. I don't know how, but it definitely is), but it still BIG suck
I can't believe I lost the Character Battle X guru contest to some guy named Advokaiser

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3/16/2020 6:06:02 PM#449
Shulk would get killed by Samus. None of the Xenoblade games hold a candle to Super Metroid or even just Metroid Prime. Trying to use Metroid as a measuring stick in that way is a good way to blow up your bracket.
Link isn't the only one who kicks ass.
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LeonhartFour 3/16/2020 6:08:52 PM#450
Lightning Strikes posted...
Really Xenoblade is less niche than Metroid now and we all need to get used to that reality.

to the average gamer maybe (and I doubt that, unless we're just talking about Japan) but not even close here

Xenoblade is about as "niche" as Tales of Symphonia is

lots of people like it but it feels like it has a pretty hard ceiling it can't break through when it comes to something mainstream
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