Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1325

The original NSMB winning this poll is due to the presence of 2 Mario Maker games in this poll. I'm totally impressed the original Mario Maker isn't being SFFed into oblivion by Mario Maker 2.

In the 2017 version of this poll, Mario Maker 1 outright won this poll over the original NSMB. Both Mario Maker games have a combined percentage of 36.93%, which is actually higher than what Mario Maker 1 did in the 2017 version of this poll. The original Mario Maker had 33.75% back in 2017, which has dropped off to about 12% in today's poll.

I think NSMB DS is only winning because of Dat Top Option.

In yesterday's poll, both Mario Maker games had a combined percentage of 33.62%. In the 2017 poll, Mario Maker 1 finished with 33.75%. So it seems like LFF between both Mario Maker games was the reason for NSMB winning yesterday's poll.

Favorite 3D Mario poll today:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7757-

Solid showing for Mario Odyssey, all things considered.

LusterSoldier posted...

In yesterday's poll, both Mario Maker games had a combined percentage of 33.62%. In the 2017 poll, Mario Maker 1 finished with 33.75%. So it seems like LFF between both Mario Maker games was the reason for NSMB winning yesterday's poll.

Favorite 3D Mario poll today:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7757-

I considered that but the New Super Mario Bros. games likely hurt each other as well so it's hard to say for certain which game is strongest.

Seems my Mario 64 is overrated take is not a popular one.

I'm genuinely surprised Galaxy is doing this poorly, even possibly splitting the off vote with Gakaxy 2.

Eh, Galaxy has always done poorly compared to its critical reception.

It's a shame a lot of people didn't play Galaxy 2 because it's the best Mario game ever. Give me these games on Switch, Nintendo!

Out of all these games I have played only SM 64 so I voted for that one.

wow we only get this poll once every 4 years

soak it in everyone

Just catching up on the polls.

Each time someone votes for SMW over SMB3, a kitten dies.

No, I did not own an “iPon”, but I can guess I missed out on a very fulfilling life experience because of that.

Logience posted...

No, I did not own an “iPon”, but I can guess I missed out on a very fulfilling life experience because of that.

Does a CD player count as "an traditional" MP3 player?

Also, I just realized the 'd' and the 'n' aren't even close to each other.

Pwhhhhhh at 18% of the voters in today's poll. There's plenty of great VGM! The Pokemon orchestra concert I went to was fun. The unfortunate thing is that most of the great video game music is in games that aren't very popular, though, and thus they will never see the light of day in an orchestral concert...

Haste_2 posted...

Pwhhhhhh at 18% of the voters in today's poll. There's plenty of great VGM! The Pokemon orchestra concert I went to was fun. The unfortunate thing is that most of the great video game music is in games that aren't very popular, though, and thus they will never see the light of day in an orchestral concert...

Ah, same, went to the Pokémon orchestra and got a shirt to prove it of conductor Pikachu.

At least Castlevania gets the spotlight often. That's comforting.

But yeah, would love to hear something like Murasaki orchestrated.

Team Rocket Elite posted...

I considered that but the New Super Mario Bros. games likely hurt each other as well so it's hard to say for certain which game is strongest.

I don't think the New Super Mario Bros. games would have hurt each other that much at all. It's not like a new game in that series has the power to invalidate any of the previous games. When Mario Maker 2 came out, there was pretty much no reason to still vote for Mario Maker 1 unless you haven't played Mario Maker 2. The amount of new content added to Mario Maker 2 has made Mario Maker 1 pretty much obsolete, so that relationship between both Mario Maker games was perfect for a severe SFF/LFF situation.

I would expect the Mario Maker games to have significant LFF with each other. However, that doesn't mean the LFF among the other games is zero.

Oh, and about today's poll.... 84% of voters own (or owned) a PS2! ....then again, non-Sony fans often won't vote in a poll like this.

Haste_2 posted...

Oh, and about today's poll.... 84% of voters own (or owned) a PS2! ....then again, non-Sony fans often won't vote in a poll like this.

not sure why not

there's an option for them

LusterSoldier posted...

I don't think the New Super Mario Bros. games would have hurt each other that much at all. It's not like a new game in that series has the power to invalidate any of the previous games.

I mean if they aren't already voting for a Mario Maker game what else do you think they're going to vote for?

Regarding the current poll, I badly wish I had a picture from the one Halloween I dressed up as a L-Block.

Too bad I didn't increase the PS2 ownership percentage yesterday.

I don't know the perfect costume, but I'd gladly dress up as a cool character one day.

I just realized Smash 4's performances may have not being as strong as they could've been in the last contest because of it only being encompassed as "Smash for Wii U" (excluding the 3DS version). I say this because I like making polls and I remembered this one:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77875438

Even though the Wii U version was the "main" one or the "superior" one, both versions had some differences (rather small, but still), and we know the Wii U's overall ownership was abysmal compared to the 3DS. Granted, the poll may be a very small sample, and people who only had the 3DS version back in 2015 may have just voted for the Wii U version by default...

...But, if enough people didn't really vote for "Smash for Wii U" because of the aforementioned, that means Smash Ultimate may be even stronger than we think.

Nah, it just means Ultimate made Smash 4 completely obsolete.

Well, that's a given, but I'm referring to Smash 4 in the last contest as the "new Smash" game at the time, which was split in two. My point is that it may have underperformed due to that. Smash Ultimate can't underperform in any way now (other than SFF).

Here's two interesting questions I just thought of: which Gen. 1 Pokémon is the weakest, and which Gen. 1 Pokémon is the most generic for contest purposes?

I decided to brainstorm a list of candidate Pokémon for the latter:

Metapod, Weedle, Kakuna, Raticate, Fearow, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Nidorina, Nidoran M, Nidorino, Oddish, Gloom, Paras, Parasect, Venonat, Venomoth, Diglett, Dugtrio, Persian, Mankey, Primeape, Poliwag, Poliwhirl, Abra, Kadabra, Machop, Machoke, Bellsprout, Weepinbell, Tentacruel, Geodude, Graveler, Magnemite, Magneton, Doduo, Dodrio, Seel, Grimer, Shellder, Drowzee, Hypno, Exeggcute, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Lickitung, Rhyhorn, Tangela, Horsea, Seadra, Goldeen, Seaking, Mr. Mime, Magmar, Pinsir, Kabuto, Kabutops

I believe @ZenOfThunder proposed nominating Shellder for CBX to determine exactly this, and it seems like as good a candidate as any.

As for the weakest outright, I would say there's a limited list of candidates, because I don't think being generic is enough:
- Metapod and Kakuna (due to being cocoons)
- Rattata, Zubat, Golbat, and Tentacool (all susceptible to antivotes, though Zubat in particular might paradoxically be too recognizable because of how hated it is)
- Lickitung, Tangela, and Magmar (all highly obscure by Gen. 1 standards; Lickitung's probably the most unpopular, while I haven't seen a single person purport to actually like the latter two)

I'd say Fearow for "most generic" is good.

Lickitung was an anime main character, though the writers often forgot about him. Tangela appeals to fetishists. Magmar reminds people of the Magmar vs. Charizard anime fight.

Edit: Tentacool would get the most anti-votes.

Seel and Krabby for most generic, I'd say.

At least Metapod and Kakuna are more common and recognizable (and maybe liked) for the evolutionary line they come from.

Most unpopular would be hard to gauge. It has to have a mix of forgettableness and lack of popularity. Funnily enough, Farfetch'd fits perfectly into that description, but... I'm not buying it. Voltorb and Mr. Mime would be good candidates, I'd say.

So for the contest no Remakes or Remasters right?

Safer_777 posted...

So for the contest no Remakes or Remasters right?

Those both mean the same thing

Logience posted...

Safer_777 posted...

So for the contest no Remakes or Remasters right?

Those both mean the same thing

no they don't

and no because then you have to deal with Ocarina of Time in a 2010-2019 Game of the Decade Contest

Remakes are never faithful to begin with, so what’s the point of using the term “remaster”? If they were that exact, we’d just call them “ports”.

Logience posted...

Remakes are never faithful to begin with, so what’s the point of using the term “remaster”? If they were that exact, we’d just call them “ports”.

They're called remasters because they aren't exact ports.

Leonhart4 posted...

Logience posted...

Remakes are never faithful to begin with, so what’s the point of using the term “remaster”? If they were that exact, we’d just call them “ports”.

They're called remasters because they aren't exact ports.

They’re also called remakes because they aren’t exact ports.

They're called remasters because the game isn't being remade.

Port = Same game on another platform
Remaster = Same game, mere graphical update (unless I'm mistaken)
Remake = Game reworked from the ground up, mostly adding new features

Some updated games are in a blurry territory between "remake" and "remaster", like OoT 3D, which is pretty much the same game, but has a slightly different graphical style, a boss rush mode, and a mirrored hard mode. Majora's Mask 3D is more of a remake since it changed boss battle mechanics among other things.

My favorite remake of all time is Super Castlevania IV, which is a remake of Castlevania 1.

I wouldn't consider Castlevania IV a remake at all. Besides it being the same plot as the first game, it's an entirely different beast with different levels and mechanics.

You might be able to argue that remasters are a subset of remakes but remakes like FF7R are very clearly not a remaster.

My favorite remake is probably Super Smash Brothers Ultimate, which is a remake of Super Smash Bros for the N64.

Ultimate is an enhanced port

My bad in that case it's probably Final Fantasy IX, which is a remake of Final Fantasy IV

(If it wasn't clear in both of the previous posts I was mocking the idea that Super Castlevania IV is a remake <_<)

Why is SCIV not a remake? It's the perfect example of a remake. It's not a port, it's not a remaster, it's not a sequel (ironically), it's not a reboot; heck, it's not even just a "new installment" because it follows the exact same story of the original.

What is it, then?

Advokaiser posted...

heck, it's not even just a "new installment" because it follows the exact same story of the original.

I mean this where we just disagree I guess.

The story being the same doesn't matter f*** all for old S/NES platformers. The entire series could have been "Simon goes to defeat Dracula" just like every Mario game. (Haunted Castle and Vampire Killer for example).

The relevant parts of the game are brand new, so it's a new game. Note that you can nearly consider FFVII to be the same, in that the relevant pieces of gameplay are seemingly brand new, but I'll say that for that game the story/characters are a very relevant piece to the experience.

PrinceOfKoopas posted...

Tentacool would get the most anti-votes.

I disagree, simply because pretty much only people who have played the Hoenn games would antivote it, and their playrate doubtless pales compared to RBY here.

Advokaiser posted...

Funnily enough, Farfetch'd fits perfectly into that description, but... I'm not buying it. Voltorb and Mr. Mime would be good candidates, I'd say.

Yeah, Farfetch'd has too strong of a fanbase, and it's not like people outside of its fanbase hate or even dislike it. I don't think Voltorb is likely due to its Poké Ball resemblance and people appreciating its trolly nature, while Mr. Mime is notable as Ash's mom's Pokémon in the anime, and has a memorable Detective Pikachu scene, for what little that's worth.

As for remakes/remasters in the upcoming GotD, the short answer is no, but the long answer is somewhat more complicated than that. The main wrinkle here is that The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth, essentially a remake of The Binding of Isaac, was allowed in BGE 2015. I think the closest answer to the truth is that to be allowed, remakes/remasters must be of a 2010s game, and strongly distinct from the original, akin to Rebirth.

Heck, early Zelda games could easily be seen as remakes of the previous if you just want to hold them to the general story.

Farfetch'd is reasonably popular for a Pokemon that is absolutely garbage in battle. A lot of people like the samurai duck design.

Krabby and Kingler have a pretty cool showing in Ash's first Pokemon League battle ever. Although, I'm not sure how many people will remember that these days.

pjbasis posted...

Heck, early Zelda games could easily be seen as remakes of the previous if you just want to hold them to the general story.

Now this is a really long stretch.

The original Legend of Zelda already had a remake on the SNES (even though it only came out in Japan). It was the same game with a sound/graphic update (sort of like Super Mario All-Stars), so that's a good point of reference.

I get your point, but I can't see SCIV as anything other than a remake. And the best one I've ever played, as well.

Team Rocket Elite posted...

Farfetch'd is reasonably popular for a Pokemon that is absolutely garbage in battle. A lot of people like the samurai duck design.

Krabby and Kingler have a pretty cool showing in Ash's first Pokemon League battle ever. Although, I'm not sure how many people will remember that these days.

KOOKY KOOKY

They better remember it!

SCIV is a remake of Castlevania in the same sense that Super Mario Bros 3 is a remake of Super Mario Bros

Simon Belmont goes to kill Dracula
Mario goes to save Princess Toadstool from Bowser

The similarities between the games begin and end there, in the plot which is basically irrelevant to the games. The gameplay and most importantly level design which is what I'd call the necessary thing to be similar in an action platformer to be considered a remake, are completely different. With an RPG, plot matters more, sure.

I believe I recommended Shellder because there was a big survey done on Reddit where people attempted to name all 151 OG Pokemon and the ones most often forgotten were Shellder and Cloyster

Who knows what that means for contest strength but a Pokemon is still a Pokemon