Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1323 GameFAQs Contests

KamikazePotato posted...

Zelda was adjusted via her projected results against Aeris, Ramza, and Fox. I ignored the Link match and pretty much everything she had after Snake because she got way stronger after that match.

Sonic's division wasn't adjusted lower than normal. Sonic and Auron just did consistently bad. Sub-Zero (who was one of the constants I used) didn't end up too far away from where he usually is, so I think it turned out okay.

The other ones took a lot more adjusting than I have time to talk about. It wasn't as simple as 'Mario through Cloud' because a lot of the Legends matches were this gaping pit of bandwagons, revenge votes, SFF, and non-transitive results.

I disagree about Sonic and Auron being consistently bad, but I'm sorry for getting all of that stuff wrong. I would love to see exactly what all of your adjustments are. I know your basis for Zelda's adjustment was her division, but I thought you used Zelda's score on Link because it conveniently corresponded well with the placement of Fox/Ramza/Aeris. Guess I was wrong about that.

Haste_2 posted...

Ganondorf (44% on Mega Man)

I would probably put Ganondorf at 45% on Mega Man. 44% on Mega Man means that Ganondorf is weaker than Yoshi, and I would never pull the trigger on Yoshi in a Ganondorf/Yoshi match. I would probably take Bowser over Ganondorf, but not Yoshi.

Don't need to apologize! Making x-stats is hard and I'm going to be right about everything.

Sonic is projected to get 37% on Samus through Snake. There's not much that can be done about that. I even projected Sonic through his Zelda result, which makes him look a little better, and he still ended up low.

Some other stuff I did:

1. Division 2 and 3 needed no adjustments and were really easy to make because there weren't many SFF matches in the matches the division winners had in the Legends bracket.

2. Ganondorf/Mega Man is a fraud result. The pic disadvantage was nuts. It makes Vivi, Leon Kennedy, Tidus, and Dante all look extremely bad. For that Division, I ended up doing Yuna's and Bowser's divisions first (two of the easiest to do outside of Phoenix Wright/Kirby), then did two comparisons: one where I set Tidus equal to Yuna and one where I set Ganondorf equal to Bowser. Think I took the middle ground of those but both comparisons ended up with very similar stats.

3. Kirby messed up his whole side of the division. I'm not buying that Ness 60-40s Ike, so I set Ike's relation to Ness equal to his relation to Ness via 2010 and called it a day. For Kirby I went back and checked some results, found some stuff that indicated he was about even to Bowser indirectly (his match against Terra being the biggest indicator), then set him slightly under Bowser and called it a day.

Division 5-8 were a mess. I don't remember everything I did to make the stats for those. It involved a lot of cross-comparisons and trying numbers until stuff 'lined up'. As close as possible, anyway. Some random things I remember:

4. Knocked Geralt down a peg because otherwise his half of the division looked too strong. Arbitrary but necessary. Used Ryu Hayabusa as a comparison to Sub-Zero to help do so.

5. Tifa's number (and subsequently, her division) was placed by comparisons between Luigi/Bowser and Mewtwo/Charizard. Setting those ones (around) equal to each other ended up with elegant stats, and lined up with prior results, so I rolled with it. Samus was then projected through Tifa's projection against Link through Tifa's result against Luigi/Mewtwo through their comparison with Bowser/Charizard - my head hurts.

6. Sephiroth's matches against Amaterasu and Mario were prioritized over his results against Captain Falcon and Ryu. That put him on the lower end of his x-stat 'potential', but he lost to Tifa straight-up so...yeah. I ignored the Tifa match and using the Ammy and Mario matches, he still ends up losing something like 51-49 in the final stats so he probably ended up where he should be anyway. Mario was projected through Sephiroth...and Cloud...I think. I looked at a LOT of different stuff to try and figure out a good number. Sephiroth caused issues. Only division that caused more issues was...

7. Zelda's! I didn't use anything Zelda did after Snake. I looked at her results within her division, where she was much more 'normal', and found that her results against Ramza, Aeris, Fox, and to a lesser extent Jill, were pretty consistent (and those characters themselves were internally consistent as well). I decided to use those - her indirect 39% or whatever against Link is simply stronger than the results she put up before. So she ends up lower than Mario and Cloud in the stats but if you put Zelda against them Round 1, I don't think she competes. Snake was adjusted through Zelda's results in her division. As for what Zelda's (and by association, Snake's) final indirect non-bandwagon result against Link was derived by...I don't really remember. It involved a lot of cross-referencing. Aside from Ramza/Aeris/Fox/Jill, I think Lloyd Irving got in on the action too?

8. Sonic and Auron made their divisions look bad. I used Sonic's result against Zelda instead of Snake, which bumped him up (and put his division more in line with what it should be), but Sonic himself still looks bad. Shrug.

And other stuff. X-stats.

I would probably put Ganondorf at 45% on Mega Man. 44% on Mega Man means that Ganondorf is weaker than Yoshi, and I would never pull the trigger on Yoshi in a Ganondorf/Yoshi match. I would probably take Bowser over Ganondorf, but not Yoshi.

2. Ganondorf/Mega Man is a fraud result. The pic disadvantage was nuts. It makes Vivi, Leon Kennedy, Tidus, and Dante all look extremely bad. For that Division, I ended up doing Yuna's and Bowser's divisions first (two of the easiest to do outside of Phoenix Wright/Kirby), then did two comparisons: one where I set Tidus equal to Yuna and one where I set Ganondorf equal to Bowser. Think I took the middle ground of those but both comparisons ended up with very similar stats.

Noted. I chose 44% because Luigi gained about 4% on Ganondorf in the 2007 contest when Ganondorf got his Bacondorf pic in 2007, plus my adjustment is intentionally a little bit conservative. Of course, NES Bacondorf is probably even more hurtful than SNES Bacondorf, so I suppose 45% on Mega Man is better. Yoshi beating Ganondorf wouldn't surprise me, though, after proving he's on par with Bowser.

1. Division 2 and 3 needed no adjustments and were really easy to make because there weren't many SFF matches in the matches the division winners had in the Legends bracket.

Fine with me.

3. Kirby messed up his whole side of the division. I'm not buying that Ness 60-40s Ike, so I set Ike's relation to Ness equal to his relation to Ness via 2010 and called it a day. For Kirby I went back and checked some results, found some stuff that indicated he was about even to Bowser indirectly (his match against Terra being the biggest indicator), then set him slightly under Bowser and called it a day.

I just set Kirby equal to Bowser for simplicity sake, but slightly under is just as fine.

4. Knocked Geralt down a peg because otherwise his half of the division looked too strong. Arbitrary but necessary. Used Ryu Hayabusa as a comparison to Sub-Zero to help do so.

Yup, I agree.

5. Tifa's number (and subsequently, her division) was placed by comparisons between Luigi/Bowser and Mewtwo/Charizard. Setting those ones (around) equal to each other ended up with elegant stats, and lined up with prior results, so I rolled with it. Samus was then projected through Tifa's projection against Link through Tifa's result against Luigi/Mewtwo through their comparison with Bowser/Charizard - my head hurts.

Interesting. Probably the smart thing to do. I measured her through the Tifa/Sephiroth match and just chose to assume it's accurate because Luigi was pretty close to where Bowser was. (in other words, either method gets a fairly similar result, even though your method is clearly better)

6. Sephiroth's matches against Amaterasu and Mario were prioritized over his results against Captain Falcon and Ryu. That put him on the lower end of his x-stat 'potential', but he lost to Tifa straight-up so...yeah. I ignored the Tifa match and using the Ammy and Mario matches, he still ends up losing something like 51-49 in the final stats so he probably ended up where he should be anyway. Mario was projected through Sephiroth...and Cloud...I think. I looked at a LOT of different stuff to try and figure out a good number. Sephiroth caused issues. Only division that caused more issues was...

This is where my opinion differs. I do indeed think Sephiroth was inconsistent, but not because he just randomly behaves abnormally. Rather, I think he weakened once he reached the Legends bracket for whatever reason. Thus, I made an adjustment for Sephiroth's division based on the stronger Sephiroth, but Mario and Tifa are measured through the weaker Sephiroth.

7. Zelda's! I didn't use anything Zelda did after Snake. I looked at her results within her division, where she was much more 'normal', and found that her results against Ramza, Aeris, Fox, and to a lesser extent Jill, were pretty consistent (and those characters themselves were internally consistent as well).

Very good. I chose Fox as the constant when measuring Zelda and her division.

I decided to use those - her indirect 39% or whatever against Link is simply stronger than the results she put up before. So she ends up lower than Mario and Cloud in the stats but if you put Zelda against them Round 1, I don't think she competes. Snake was adjusted through Zelda's results in her division. As for what Zelda's (and by association, Snake's) final indirect non-bandwagon result against Link was derived by...I don't really remember. It involved a lot of cross-referencing. Aside from Ramza/Aeris/Fox/Jill, I think Lloyd Irving got in on the action too?

I agree that Zelda can't compete with Cloud in a normal situation. However, I disagree in exactly when you say she behaved abnormally. You set the cut off between her normal self and her boosted self as right after the Snake/Zelda match. I think the cut off point was between the regular bracket and the legends bracket.

I don't think Zelda changed much during the actual legends bracket. Yeah, you could say she was able to rSFF Mario and gain a % or two, but she did nothing special against Sonic, the very round after she pulled the upset on Snake. Yeah, maybe Zelda would have a reason to bandwagon more after she beat Mario, but then she got killed by Link the next round and not really have a big reason to maintain it in her match against Cloud.

8. Sonic and Auron made their divisions look bad. I used Sonic's result against Zelda instead of Snake, which bumped him up (and put his division more in line with what it should be), but Sonic himself still looks bad. Shrug.

This is another place where my opinion differs. There's only one match that Auron looked bad: His match against Geralt. Otherwise, Auron looked like his normal self, only slightly weaker. When basing Snake off of Zelda in the main (non-legends) bracket, then yes, of course it's going to make Auron's division and Sonic look bad.

I stated earlier that I believe that Snake shouldn't be measured from Zelda in the main bracket. Snake is better measured through the Zelda in the legends bracket, in my opinion. Yeah, it's not ideal, but I do think it's more accurate than the former. And Zelda, in the legends bracket, I measure through Cloud. This, of course, puts Snake near Cloud. And Sonic's division now looks more reasonable compared to the divisions in the top half of the bracket. (and Sonic really should be at 37.61% given how good

Now.... I am aware of one MAJOR contradiction that gets exposed when measuring Snake and Zelda in this manner: Snake vs. Samus. The problem here is that if you assume Snake vs. Samus is accurate, and put Snake near Cloud's level, this puts Samus pretty high... which is fine, I suppose. But the REAL issue is that Tifa's division is now ridiculously overrated and Luigi's now projected to compete with Crono or Pikachu. Not good at all.

Thankfully, there is a way to address this. Notice how the problem in measuring Samus is sandwiched between two matches: Samus/Tifa and Snake/Samus. Notice the connection between those two matches? We've seen both of those matches were done in past contests... and they're considered to be a bit wonky. In other words, there is a high probability that either Samus/Snake or Samus/Tifa is wonky once again. I don't think Tifa gets 47% on Snake... not on a Snake that did as well as he did on Sonic and Auron when they (Sonic and Auron) have no reason to drop significantly...

Whether Tifa overperformed on Samus or Samus overperformed on Snake in this contest, I don't know... but one of those happening seems likely.

Haste_2 posted...

Yeah, you could say she was able to rSFF Mario and gain a % or two, but she did nothing special against Sonic, the very round after she pulled the upset on Snake.

Well, she was probably hampered there by that sprite, arguably by as much as 2-3%. Also, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if both Tifa overperformed on Samus and Samus overperformed on Snake.

The sprite picture didn't even hurt Zelda that much in the match against Sonic. Zelda should have actually done 57.80% on Sonic based on Sonic/Snake and Snake/Zelda, but she only got 56.45%. That's slightly less than a 1.5% penalty for sprite Zelda.

Seanchan posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

Like it had to have been deleted by a moderator for some reason but I can't think of why it would be deleted.

Maybe some sort of "legal" thing?

People are mentioning that they are/are not eligible for prizes. So then maybe someone thinks they are going to be winning something when in reality they are not?

Oh shoot, did anyone have the list saved, and the responses after post ~45 in the deleted topic? I wasn't moderated for my posts, as it's all eventually public info anyway. I think it was just Dva's entire posting history getting wiped as a result of being B&. Should I create another topic, or we'd rather just wait until January 1st? 😬 Fortunately it's 2 weeks and not 2 months this time.

KP adjusting stats because he’s still buttmad over a Ganon sprite picture that made no difference in a match he was never going to win is hilarious.

Ganon looked like crap all contest, not just in that Mega Man match, but you do you. Did people already forget about Chun Li embarrassing the dude? People thought Vivi would beat him after that.

X stats haven’t meant dick in over ten years and stuff like this is exactly why. The people who adjust them for personal reasons instead of only being faithful to the math.

LusterSoldier posted...

The sprite picture didn't even hurt Zelda that much in the match against Sonic. Zelda should have actually done 57.80% on Sonic based on Sonic/Snake and Snake/Zelda, but she only got 56.45%. That's slightly less than a 1.5% penalty for sprite Zelda.

Nah dude it was totally pic sabotage in EVERY sprite. Zelda should be adjusted 18 times!

iGenesis posted...

Seanchan posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

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Like it had to have been deleted by a moderator for some reason but I can't think of why it would be deleted.

Maybe some sort of "legal" thing?

People are mentioning that they are/are not eligible for prizes. So then maybe someone thinks they are going to be winning something when in reality they are not?

Oh shoot, did anyone have the list saved, and the responses after post ~45 in the deleted topic? I wasn't moderated for my posts, as it's all eventually public info anyway. I think it was just Dva's entire posting history getting wiped as a result of being B&. Should I create another topic, or we'd rather just wait until January 1st? 😬 Fortunately it's 2 weeks and not 2 months this time.

The only one I saw added after your last list was that the guy in 2nd said he was prize eligible. Theres probably a copy of it on the archive site that I can't post because it auto flags for moderation

UltimaterializerX posted...

KP adjusting stats because he’s still buttmad over a Ganon sprite picture that made no difference in a match he was never going to win is hilarious.

Ganon looked like crap all contest, not just in that Mega Man match, but you do you. Did people already forget about Chun Li embarrassing the dude? People thought Vivi would beat him after that.

X stats haven’t meant dick in over ten years and stuff like this is exactly why. The people who adjust them for personal reasons instead of only being faithful to the math.

I think Ganon sprite pic probably did hurt him considerably. Yes he was going go lose anyway but the point isnt whether he was going to win or not, it's by how much

Xstats might not be concrete but they still help. I mean I prized out thanks to xstats. My bracket may have been rushed but when I was in doubt I quickly pulled up xstats and then thought if anything had happened since last contest to cause that fluctuate

Xstats are never firm, they are just a guideline.

Tifa - through Mario/Sephiroth and Tifa/Sephiroth
Samus - through Tifa

This seems silly. Tifa/Sephiroth is one of the biggest outliers in the entire contest (besides the last couple of Zelda matches).

UltimaterializerX posted...

KP adjusting stats because he’s still buttmad over a Ganon sprite picture that made no difference in a match he was never going to win is hilarious.

Ganon looked like crap all contest, not just in that Mega Man match, but you do you. Did people already forget about Chun Li embarrassing the dude? People thought Vivi would beat him after that.

X stats haven’t meant dick in over ten years and stuff like this is exactly why. The people who adjust them for personal reasons instead of only being faithful to the math.

For once I have to agree with Ulti. Ganondorf dropping makes a lot of other matches make sense. Remember Occam's Razor

Hot Take: What if you consider both unadjusted and adjusted Xstats when making your bracket? :O

If you don't like x-stats you probably shouldn't post in this topic TBH.

2B - 30.93%
Simon Belmont - 30.79%
Vincent Valentine - 30.38%
Terra Branford- 30.34%
Pac-Man - 30.33%
Ryu Hayabusa - 30.31%
Crash Bandicoot - 30.03%
Kratos - 29.93%
Sub-Zero- 29.75%
Ryu - 29.35%
Jill Valentine - 29.28%
Kefka - 29.26%
Magus - 29.23%
Yuna - 29.13%
Frog - 28.92%
Waluigi - 28.70%
Ness - 28.63%
Amaterasu - 28.53%
Dante - 28.45%
Rosalina - 28.32%

And here is the perfect reason why using Tifa/Sephiroth is dumb. I think the most accurate way of handling this situation is to use Mario/Samus 1 and extrapolate Tifa and Seph through Mario and Samus. That puts Tifa and Sephiroth close together (which is probably where they actually stand) and fixes a lot of the problems that Tifa/Sephiroth causes.

Of course, the stats topic is fixated on this magical 'Samus > Mario indirectly' concept with absolutely zero supporting evidence. But please hear me out and try it, and see where the final stats lay

You do realize those are literally unadjusted stats you're yanking from, right?

s***teredElysium posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

KP adjusting stats because he’s still buttmad over a Ganon sprite picture that made no difference in a match he was never going to win is hilarious.

Ganon looked like crap all contest, not just in that Mega Man match, but you do you. Did people already forget about Chun Li embarrassing the dude? People thought Vivi would beat him after that.

X stats haven’t meant dick in over ten years and stuff like this is exactly why. The people who adjust them for personal reasons instead of only being faithful to the math.

I think Ganon sprite pic probably did hurt him considerably. Yes he was going go lose anyway but the point isnt whether he was going to win or not, it's by how much

Xstats might not be concrete but they still help. I mean I prized out thanks to xstats. My bracket may have been rushed but when I was in doubt I quickly pulled up xstats and then thought if anything had happened since last contest to cause that fluctuate

Xstats are never firm, they are just a guideline.

swirIdude posted...

Hot Take: What if you consider both unadjusted and adjusted Xstats when making your bracket? :O

Hot take: people who have made troll pictures can f*** off with accusing other people of making troll pictures when they’re dead wrong about it.

I like Zelda 1 and I love sprites. It isn’t anything more than that and the OCD whining over it is pathetic.

Pic sabotage is lame regardless of who the picsmith is. I didn't keep track of who did which pics but B8ers and people who do pics regularly should really avoid using terrible pictures when it has an impact on the result

I think in a match where we already know it isn't going to affect the winner it's not too bad. It's when it potentially directly affects the outcome that I have a problem with it.

Bacondorf is relatively harmless in this scenario. It just sucks for xstats due to his bracket placement but that's not the end of the world. I'd rather blame it on bad bracket placement than a bad pic though

I mean Snake got a solid s*** pic and still did about as expected to Auron

Is GameFAQs really dumb enough to not realize Ganondorf and Ganon are the same

I just beat Zelda 1, loved it, and the final boss sucked.

It's not even a memorable part of the game, or a good one.

LiquidOshawott posted...

I mean Snake got a solid s*** pic and still did about as expected to Auron

Is GameFAQs really dumb enough to not realize Ganondorf and Ganon are the same

Its not looking like Ganon that is the problem, it's looking like crap.

People clearly have no idea what pic sabotage actually is.

Joker was a victim of pic sabotage, not the Dorf.

Joker was also a victim of name sabotage, perhaps moreso given the only times he’s called Ren is through anime and through a rhythm game that was just released this month

It’s the equivalent of Allen calling Snake David

Link is so strong he even breaks the 50% rule on the X-Stats!

LiquidOshawott posted...

Joker was also a victim of name sabotage, perhaps moreso given the only times he’s called Ren is through anime and through a rhythm game that was just released this month

It’s the equivalent of Allen calling Snake David

His name was Joker during the match. The real sabotage came from using his school picture and not the iconic Joker costume.

Let's be clear here, a s***ty Persona character was never going to amount to anything. The 10 people that played those games know who he is regardless of name, and not a single other person in the world is going to vote for them.

Persona is going to be the new 'Tales of' in these contests

Bold of you to say that just after he was announced for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. Do you try to be this wrong or is that just your nature?

swirIdude posted...

Bold of you to say that just after he was announced for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. Do you try to be this wrong or is that just your nature?

I wasn't aware of the announcement, because: A) who cares about a complete rehash of Smash 4 and B) who cares about Persona?

Man Black Turtle what do you even like

The real sabotage was not giving Quiet a full body pic!

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

swirIdude posted...

Bold of you to say that just after he was announced for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. Do you try to be this wrong or is that just your nature?

I wasn't aware of the announcement, because: A) who cares about a complete rehash of Smash 4 and B) who cares about Persona?

https://www.polygon.com/2018/12/18/18146266/super-smash-bros-ultimate-sales-nintendo-switch

“This performance should receive an additional boost from the December release of the Super Smash Bros. Ultimate game, which has become not only the fastest-selling Nintendo Switch game of all time, but also the fastest-selling game in the Super Smash Bros. series,” Nintendo stated. The game has sold over 3 million copies in 11 days, based on Nintendo’s own numbers.

I know this is OldManFAQs, but come on...

Both Ganon and Joker were certainly negatively affected by their pictures. Whether or not one was sabotage and one was because of the sprite round is a stupid distinction, and it really just shows that the sprite round NEEDS to go.

I could see Snake/Samus being a tough match to adjust for, as Snake was really solid outside of that so it'll overrate Samus and her respective division greatly. And since Luigi / Tifa / X were already part of the giant mess of near-elites, a small % difference would psh them onto the higher end, which would not be correct IMO.

Is it just me or are a lot of the values Link has historically been set at pretty dumb? I, uh, really, REALLY don't think 2007 Link being worth 59.90% on Base Link is a thing.

UltimaterializerX posted...

People clearly have no idea what pic sabotage actually is.

Joker was a victim of pic sabotage, not the Dorf.

The thing you don't get about pic sabotage is probably what exactly pic sabotage means
Yes, Ganondorf NES Sprite is Ganondorf
Yes, Solid s*** is official Snake Sprite
And also yes, Sheik IS Zelda

It doesn't matter. We don't mean "pic sabotage" as "those pictures are not legit"
What we expect from you as a picsmith, and what you should aim for as a picsmith, is to make every character look as good as possible
It's a sprite round and you are making a Ganondorf sprite? good. Why don't you look for the best possible Ganondorf sprite there is?
You want to give Zelda a picture? why don't you search for the best picture of Zelda? the picture that makes her scream the most "I am Zelda"?

Now let me ask you a question.
(I tried to understand if you are a Phoenix Wright fan from the PW/Chris writeup but all I saw was 99% bashing on RE so I am not sure. But from your Godot writeup, looks like you do)

What do you make of this-
https://i.imgtc.com/3xt1Tvn.jpg
Is this Phoenix Wright? well I don't know if you played Apollo Justice, but IT IS Phoenix Wright. This is the only game in the series he looks like this.
He doesn't look like his old self at all, and yet this is Phoenix Wright. This is offical Phoenix Wright sprite.
Can you tell me with a straight face that putting this in a Phoenix Wright match is not pic sabotage? for real?
If you are asked to make a match picture, will you use this one? if yes, why would you pick this one instead of the more iconic "finger pointing" pose?

LiquidOshawott posted...

Man Black Turtle what do you even like

The Mega Man series I guess
And I apologize on behalf of the whole Mega Man fanbase for his existence

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

swirIdude posted...

Bold of you to say that just after he was announced for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. Do you try to be this wrong or is that just your nature?

I wasn't aware of the announcement, because: A) who cares about a complete rehash of Smash 4 and B) who cares about Persona?

You're seriously asking both of these questions on this board.

And part A are you serious.

Then again what's the use in reasoning with some of these people.

I wonder what Smash Ultimate rank would be on unikgamer if that site was still alive

Nanis23 posted...

I wonder what Smash Ultimate rank would be on unikgamer if that site was still alive

Don't distract LMS when he's at his peak.

Nanis23 posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

People clearly have no idea what pic sabotage actually is.

Joker was a victim of pic sabotage, not the Dorf.

The thing you don't get about pic sabotage is probably what exactly pic sabotage means
Yes, Ganondorf NES Sprite is Ganondorf
Yes, Solid s*** is official Snake Sprite
And also yes, Sheik IS Zelda

It doesn't matter. We don't mean "pic sabotage" as "those pictures are not legit"
What we expect from you as a picsmith, and what you should aim for as a picsmith, is to make every character look as good as possible
It's a sprite round and you are making a Ganondorf sprite? good. Why don't you look for the best possible Ganondorf sprite there is?
You want to give Zelda a picture? why don't you search for the best picture of Zelda? the picture that makes her scream the most "I am Zelda"?

Now let me ask you a question.
(I tried to understand if you are a Phoenix Wright fan from the PW/Chris writeup but all I saw was 99% bashing on RE so I am not sure. But from your Godot writeup, looks like you do)

What do you make of this-
https://i.imgtc.com/3xt1Tvn.jpg
Is this Phoenix Wright? well I don't know if you played Apollo Justice, but IT IS Phoenix Wright. This is the only game in the series he looks like this.
He doesn't look like his old self at all, and yet this is Phoenix Wright. This is offical Phoenix Wright sprite.
Can you tell me with a straight face that putting this in a Phoenix Wright match is not pic sabotage? for real?
If you are asked to make a match picture, will you use this one? if yes, why would you pick this one instead of the more iconic "finger pointing" pose?

Number one: If the goal is to make every character look as good as possible then just use one picture all contest. Make it the best one possible.

Two: I legitimately love the Ganon sprite from Zelda. You will never, ever be able to convince me it's a bad picture. Ever. Ask Leon4 how stubborn I am when I like something.

And lastly, that's a fantastic picture of Phoenix.

Guess I'll be one of the few people who actually liked Hobo Phoenix in Apollo Justice

Hobo Phoenix is fine as long as you have played the game. If you haven't you might not actually immediately recognize him

That is probably the hardest game of the main 6 to find nowadays.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

That is probably the hardest game of the main 6 to find nowadays.

It got a 3DS port, it's on the eshop

I'm pretty sure I remember one of your writeups where you called Ganon getting the pig picture a huge disadvantage. It was from a while ago, but I'm pretty sure it exists.

Edit:
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Ganondorf_vs_Luigi_vs_Master_Chief_vs_Yuna_2007
This one. Literally called it a "terrible picture". And that criticism is even more relevant now, since that sprite is another decade older and even less relevant. And whether or not his opinion on the sprite being good changed, it made a clear difference in that match and made a clear difference in the MM one too.

garetha200 posted...

I'm pretty sure I remember one of your writeups where you called Ganon getting the pig picture a huge disadvantage. It was from a while ago, but I'm pretty sure it exists.

He did and I called him out on it
He said his opinion changed from 15 years ago
Can't argue with that

Pig Ganon is a disadvantage, but it's also a fair picture. It's not like it's an obscure costume or reference. Link to the Past is literally a top 5 game on this site. The original Legend of Zelda also has a high playrate.

Well yeah, but Ganondorf isn't popular because of Ganon, just like Snake isn't popular because of Metal Gear 1 or 2.