Do you think Mario puts up like 67-68% on Squall? Because if theres a Zelda bandwagon then that's potentially what we are looking at
The_Ctes 12/10/2018 12:30:58 PM#402
Zelda was pretty frontloaded against Mario.

No, it's not on L-Block level, that's true.

You completely ignored what I said when you made that point.

There's no way division 8 is that terrible. Auron and Seph being that close? Cmon.
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Not_Wylvane 12/10/2018 12:31:15 PM#403
I like Mario more and am rooting for him for this one (especially because I want to see Cloud/Mario again), but I would definitely appreciate a Samus win after her contest history and showing that she can stand up and beat freaking Mario. Either result is cool with me.
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The_Ctes 12/10/2018 12:33:10 PM#404
red sox 777 posted...
Safer_777 posted...
Come on people. Zelda barely beat Snake and barely beat Mario. Do you really think that Snake equals Mario? No. There is a bandwagon around here somehwere.


Yes? Snake has had stronger results than Mario every year since 2008.


Did you not see the whole gang Metal Gear gang looking bad?

Mario wouldn't have to 67-68% Squall for him to be stronger than Zelda.
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LeonhartFour 12/10/2018 12:34:24 PM#405
The_Ctes posted...
Did you not see the whole gang Metal Gear gang looking bad?


Snake has one very big reason not to look bad that literally none of them do so this isn't a compelling argument by itself.
All this discussion is doing is reminding me that adjusting the stats for Division 5-8 is going to be a massive headache.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Snake may look better than he did against Samus, but he's not getting 50%+ against Mario. Would anyone here really bet against Mario in that match?
Nanis23 12/10/2018 12:37:07 PM#408
Xeybozn posted...
The concept of "bandwagons" is a fraud.

No seriously, whenever a character overperforms in one match and continues to do so in future matches, maybe we just underestimated them in the first place? Do we really need a special factor to explain anything about that?

Explain 2013 Mewtwo and Geralt this contest
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LeonhartFour 12/10/2018 12:38:42 PM#409
CaptainOfCrush posted...
Snake may look better than he did against Samus, but he's not getting 50%+ against Mario. Would anyone here really bet against Mario in that match?


This year? Probably not. Using Tifa/Seph suggests that Mario isn't that far behind Samus indirectly. Not the best metric to use, probably, but it's the best we've got.
The_Ctes posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Safer_777 posted...
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Come on people. Zelda barely beat Snake and barely beat Mario. Do you really think that Snake equals Mario? No. There is a bandwagon around here somehwere.


Yes? Snake has had stronger results than Mario every year since 2008.


Did you not see the whole gang Metal Gear gang looking bad?

Mario wouldn't have to 67-68% Squall for him to be stronger than Zelda.


Well Zelda put up 63.3 on him. So if you are saying she beat him via bandwagon, then he has to beat Squall by a decent chunk more.

It's not like Zelda has gradually put in more and more impressive results. She was ridiculous out of the gate and put immediate response was Squall must suck now but the rest of her results suggest she just really is that strong
I don't take Snake over Mario, but it's very possible that he's not far behind. Win or lose, I don't think Mario is equal to Samus in strength - she's clearly above him based on every result we've seen so far that *isn't* them going head-to-head.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Lost in all this is that Mario is slowly clawing his way back
red sox 777 12/10/2018 12:44:12 PM#413
If you want to say that Zelda's "bandwagon" allowed her to resist SFF from Mario, I could go for that.

And probably wouldn't pick Snake over Mario this year after the Samus match. If she can SFF away his Smash support, Mario probably can too
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Nanis23 12/10/2018 12:45:05 PM#414
Let's all ignore various other variables like SFF rSFF Smash release pics revenge votes etc etc
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ninkendo 12/10/2018 12:46:44 PM#415
Nanis23 12/10/2018 12:46:56 PM#416
red sox 777 posted...
If you want to say that Zelda's "bandwagon" allowed her to resist SFF from Mario, I could go for that.

Well yes?
Board 8 are not exactly the typical voters, so I can't reqlly give myself as an example, but to me looking at her performance made me want to vote for her over Mario because I believed she could make it
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The_Ctes 12/10/2018 12:50:25 PM#417
It's also possible that Zelda rSFFd Mario, being the name of the more popular Nintendo game. Or a combination of both.

I just have a really hard time seeing someone unexpected getting to the semis destroying NN'ers without getting a bit of a bandwagon. I saw at least half the board hoping she won that match because it's new and unexpected.
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Oh s***, Samus leading by one vote again.
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iiaattgg 12/10/2018 1:16:14 PM#419
ninkendo posted...
I put a hit out on Samus
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Haste_2 12/10/2018 1:16:31 PM#420
Gaaaahhhh. Hang in there Samus!
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Averia 12/10/2018 1:21:32 PM#422
Will Mario steal another victory ?
Ranticoot 12/10/2018 1:21:45 PM#423
go the f*** away stinky plumber
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Safer_777 12/10/2018 1:22:13 PM#424
FREAKING MARIO! Vote stuffing as per tradition of course.
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swirIdude 12/10/2018 1:26:48 PM#425
Third straight 1 vote lead for Samus - that's gotta be a record.
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Yuri_LowelI 12/10/2018 1:27:31 PM#426
Has there been a closer wire to wire match in history?

This could be it

Once Europe goes to bed soon samus should pull ahead.
Just put in a vote for Mario.

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Seanchan 12/10/2018 1:28:09 PM#428
swirIdude posted...
Third straight 1 vote lead for Samus - that's gotta be a record.


Actually it was Samus then Mario then Samus again.
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Haste_2 12/10/2018 1:29:30 PM#429
What Seanchan said. >_>
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Yuri_LowelI posted...
Has there been a closer wire to wire match in history?

This could be it

Once Europe goes to bed soon samus should pull ahead.


SOTC > MGS 2 was closer. None involving characters though
EpsteinBarr 12/10/2018 2:05:43 PM#431
And vote stuffing comes to save the day for Mario. Is there a bigger fraud in this competition than the fat plumber?
Qwaar 12/10/2018 2:05:48 PM#432
Why is this topic so barren considering how close the match is?
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Nanis23 12/10/2018 2:07:00 PM#433
Qwaar posted...
Why is this topic so barren considering how close the match is?

Because this s*** has gotten old
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EpsteinBarr posted...
And vote stuffing comes to save the day for Mario. Is there a bigger fraud in this competition than the fat plumber?


MGS and Blizzard as a whole...

But as one single character..

f*** NO.

I don't believe Mario has ever had a legit close match, ever. Pretty confident they cheated in 04 and 05 as well till it became obvious it wouldn't change anything.
Why is the automatic assumption Mario stuffing when Samus is the one who had vote fluctuations between 17 and 50-60 in her comeback?

Like I know Mario has previous but that was a hell of a long time ago
XIII_rocks 12/10/2018 2:10:21 PM#436
This is taking years off my life
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you could be finally getting your down to the last update match
Qwaar posted...
Why is this topic so barren considering how close the match is?

Board 8ers are FRAUDS.
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XIII_rocks 12/10/2018 2:16:19 PM#439
tennisboy213 posted...
you could be finally getting your down to the last update match


Talk about corrupt a wish
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The Owner of FF9 posted...
Qwaar posted...
Why is this topic so barren considering how close the match is?

Board 8ers are FRAUDS.

Everyone is just glancing at the poll every once in a while, while devoting the rest of their focus to Smash.
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Qwaar posted...
Why is this topic so barren considering how close the match is?

What is there to talk about unless someone pulls away? If it's still this close with 30 minutes left to go, things will be a different story.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
guffguy89 12/10/2018 2:18:30 PM#442
_SecretSquirrel posted...
The Owner of FF9 posted...
Qwaar posted...
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Why is this topic so barren considering how close the match is?

Board 8ers are FRAUDS.

Everyone is just glancing at the poll every once in a while, while devoting the rest of their focus to Smash.


Honestly, there have been so many close matches like this now that it's starting to lose the appeal they had early on.
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Xeybozn 12/10/2018 2:18:34 PM#443
ShatteredElysium posted...
Why is the automatic assumption Mario stuffing when Samus is the one who had vote fluctuations between 17 and 50-60 in her comeback?

We like Samus.
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OFool 12/10/2018 2:27:13 PM#445
Well I did my usual check on NordVPN and I have to say there has been more stuffing this match than I have ever seen.

I’d say 50% of the servers worldwide have been used to vote in this contest.

If anyone on here uses NordVPN check for yourself.
trogita 12/10/2018 2:30:49 PM#446
Wouldn't that cause elevated vote totals?
Dfy556 12/10/2018 2:36:29 PM#447
30 vote difference between winning and losing for Samus. Wow
OFool 12/10/2018 2:39:41 PM#448
trogita posted...
Wouldn't that cause elevated vote totals?


It should do, yeah, but only by about 500. Enough to give a history but not enough to be a massive spike
OFool 12/10/2018 2:40:55 PM#449
A gigantic spike for Samus then!
XIII_rocks 12/10/2018 2:43:17 PM#450
That needs to be a one-off. A few more of those and this is over.
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