Nanis23 12/10/2018 9:57:29 AM#351
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
This Final Fantasy 7 a****** might be the first person I ever ignore on here. Who even is he?

Probably MWC
Go for it
wololo
Nanis23 12/10/2018 10:02:07 AM#352
Yeah Samus is killing Mario now
We are due another lead change
Damn it

XIII do something
wololo
Moonroof 12/10/2018 10:07:40 AM#353
Excellent! Take that, XIII and Nanis!
Safer_777 12/10/2018 10:10:17 AM#354
I can't believe that Samus will win. This contest...I don't know.
So why we exist? What happens when we stop existing?
ZeldaTPLink 12/10/2018 10:22:27 AM#355
Wtf is going on

Porn?
LeonhartFour 12/10/2018 10:28:18 AM#356
Averia 12/10/2018 10:31:25 AM#357
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Wtf is going on

Porn?


As always !
Well, that barrier didnt last long.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
The_Ctes 12/10/2018 10:40:18 AM#359
Was Samus rallied somewhere? That was very fast suddenly.
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swirIdude 12/10/2018 10:41:30 AM#360
The_Ctes posted...
Was Samus rallied somewhere? That was very fast suddenly.


More porn rallies.
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The_Ctes 12/10/2018 10:46:02 AM#361
Well, hopefully that was most of the fuel of it. Slowed down now.
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Yuri_LowelI 12/10/2018 10:47:56 AM#362
Hopefully Samus takes off now and leaves the fat plumber in the dust.
Moonroof 12/10/2018 10:54:58 AM#363
There aren’t any porn rallies you pervs.
XIII_rocks 12/10/2018 10:57:51 AM#364
I feel physically sick
Not to be confused with XIII_Stones.
Moonroof 12/10/2018 10:59:05 AM#365
That’s how I felt when Zelda beat Mario
XIII_rocks posted...
I feel physically sick


You should see a doctor
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Zylothewolf 12/10/2018 11:01:24 AM#367
Yay Samus!
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Yuri_LowelI 12/10/2018 11:02:20 AM#368
Moonroof posted...
That’s how I felt when Zelda beat Mario


Zelda was on a bandwagon. Clearly evident from her snake match.

Samus is genuinely stronger. So she deserves it

Cry more suckers.
Averia 12/10/2018 11:04:59 AM#369
Yuri_LowelI posted...
Moonroof posted...
That’s how I felt when Zelda beat Mario


Zelda was on a bandwagon. Clearly evident from her snake match.

Samus is genuinely stronger. So she deserves it

Cry more suckers.


Well she isn't stronger than Mario either.
She is getting the same help as Zelda (bandwagon and rallies).
EpsteinBarr 12/10/2018 11:06:32 AM#370
Yeah Samus! Beat the fat plumber!
Nanis23 12/10/2018 11:07:17 AM#371
Mario you fat plumbee start doing somethung
wololo
red sox 777 12/10/2018 11:07:31 AM#372
These are the same trends that Samus had in the first match. She took loads of percentage away from Mario during the last few hours of the first poll. When you have these trends and start from 50% instead of 48%, you get pretty big gains.
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plasmabeam 12/10/2018 11:11:30 AM#373
Wow, Samus in upset territory. Never thought I'd see the day she'd break 45% on Mario.
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I have no idea which of these two is a more favorable opponent for Cloud. It's looking likely that Samus is indirectly stronger, but I can't help thinking Mario is more likely to gather the troops in a close Ninty/Square slugfest.

Though I guess "rally the troops" may mean"porn rallies" these days, so Samus could be stronger in both respects!
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Lopen 12/10/2018 11:14:14 AM#375
Samus being indirectly stronger means a ton more than rallying troops in an indirect match. Mario/Cloud is a lot more likely to actually be close whereas Samus probably just smashes him 55-45.
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Safer_777 12/10/2018 11:18:04 AM#376
Yeah I agree. Samus is stronger. I mean Cloud score back almost 53% on her an on Link almost 47% when both were weaker than they are now. So yeah. I think around 56% on Cloud sounds right.
So why we exist? What happens when we stop existing?
Yeah, after what happened to Snake, Samus may very well be the Nintendo enforcer who goes out there and crushes everything when Link feels like napping.
EpsteinBarr 12/10/2018 11:19:34 AM#378
Lopen posted...
Samus being indirectly stronger means a ton more than rallying troops in an indirect match. Mario/Cloud is a lot more likely to actually be close whereas Samus probably just smashes him 55-45.


If that happens, I sure hope so, just like she smashed his girl.
red sox 777 12/10/2018 11:23:16 AM#379
I really want to say that Samus is worth more than the 53% Tifa/Sephiroth says she is worth on him indirectly. But I guess that would require Sephiroth to rSFF Tifa? Or maybe the Samus/Snake Smash SFF is real.

I wouldn't count out Cloud though. Zelda has looked really really good, and if Link got a third of the boost Zelda did, no one is breaking 40% on Link.
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ninkendo 12/10/2018 11:26:01 AM#380
Is Mario even a better troop-rallier at this point? He's dropping matches to Nintendo chicks left and right.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Nanis23 12/10/2018 11:28:28 AM#382
ninkendo posted...
I called up the mafia

RIP in Peace Samus

SHINE you should know you have the power to change matches if only you want...!!
wololo
red sox 777 posted...
I really want to say that Samus is worth more than the 53% Tifa/Sephiroth says she is worth on him indirectly. But I guess that would require Sephiroth to rSFF Tifa? Or maybe the Samus/Snake Smash SFF is real.

I wouldn't count out Cloud though. Zelda has looked really really good, and if Link got a third of the boost Zelda did, no one is breaking 40% on Link.


Well at best she's worth 56-57% indirectly against Mario, based on what she did against Snake and if you assume no bandwagon effect from Zelda against Mario. Though if you are arguing rSFF in Mario/Samus then it isn't a stretch to argue for one in Zelda/Mario
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The_Ctes 12/10/2018 11:47:15 AM#384
charmander6000 posted...
if you assume no bandwagon effect from Zelda against Mario


To do so you would have to have followed like no contest ever.
Ctesjbuvf posting on his phone.
red sox 777 12/10/2018 11:51:21 AM#385
Or just have seen Zelda wreck Squall and beat Snake. Both of those results are in line with her narrowly beating Mario.
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Given what Snake did to Auron and Sonic in the loser's bracket you'd have to argue that any bandwagon effect happened between the Sonic and Mario matches. It's still possible that it happened. I think it was more rSFF, but the same result would have happened...
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The_Ctes 12/10/2018 12:03:19 PM#387
red sox 777 posted...
Or just have seen Zelda wreck Squall and beat Snake. Both of those results are in line with her narrowly beating Mario.


Yeah if you assume they're oddly consistant somehow.
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red sox 777 12/10/2018 12:08:42 PM#388
Bandwagons have always produced a telltale dominance of the early vote. As the bandwagon goes on it the trends becomes more and more exaggerated. We've seen nothing like this out of Zelda.
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Nanis23 12/10/2018 12:16:58 PM#390
Zelda is 100% bandwagon
I don't believe you are seriously trying to argue it's not
Next thing you know L Block and 2013 Mewtwo were not bandwagon either
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LeonhartFour 12/10/2018 12:21:59 PM#391
I'd kind of like to see Cloud/Mario just because it's more likely to be close and we haven't seen it in literally any form (outside of the Battle Royal in 2006, which barely counts) since 2002. We've seen Cloud/Samus many times.
Lopen 12/10/2018 12:22:19 PM#392
Yeah I'd guess the bandwagon effect for Zelda is fairly minor if it exists at all. The point about the early vote dominance is a good one. Snake ~= Mario and Zelda not taking Mario's hierarchy BS, along with a possible slight temporary power-up due to the release of Smash and Sheik being more of a Smash favorite than Mario makes the most sense to me. Mario is probably a bit stronger because I don't want to consider the idea of Auron > Sephiroth, but that match is probably closer than you'd expect.
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red sox 777 12/10/2018 12:22:50 PM#393
L-Block recorded stronger results every round. And became more frontloaded every round. Zelda recorded the same level results each round. And no frontloading of trends. They look nothing alike.
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Xeybozn 12/10/2018 12:23:24 PM#394
The concept of "bandwagons" is a fraud.

No seriously, whenever a character overperforms in one match and continues to do so in future matches, maybe we just underestimated them in the first place? Do we really need a special factor to explain anything about that?
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LeonhartFour 12/10/2018 12:24:44 PM#395
Xeybozn posted...
The concept of "bandwagons" is a fraud.

No seriously, whenever a character overperforms in one match and continues to do so in future matches, maybe we just underestimated them in the first place? Do we really need a special factor to explain anything about that?


I mean it does happen

saw it with Magus, Knuckles, Charizard, and Mewtwo most notably
ZeldaTPLink 12/10/2018 12:24:59 PM#396
To me the best explanation is that Zelda = Snake = Mario and Samus is a tier above them, with a bit of Smash factor and a lot of HIERARCHY explaining the discrepancy between her Snake and Mario results.
Moonroof 12/10/2018 12:25:23 PM#397
Zelda Round 7 was stronger than Zelda Round 6, etc.
red sox 777 12/10/2018 12:27:12 PM#398
Bandwagons are rare and easy to spot when they happen. Starcraft 2004. L-Block 2007. Undertale 2015 (it was a rally and a bandwagon). Snake in 2008. They have very distinctive features.
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Safer_777 12/10/2018 12:27:56 PM#399
Come on people. Zelda barely beat Snake and barely beat Mario. Do you really think that Snake equals Mario? No. There is a bandwagon around here somehwere.
So why we exist? What happens when we stop existing?
red sox 777 12/10/2018 12:29:57 PM#400
Safer_777 posted...
Come on people. Zelda barely beat Snake and barely beat Mario. Do you really think that Snake equals Mario? No. There is a bandwagon around here somehwere.


Yes? Snake has had stronger results than Mario every year since 2008.
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