Wanglicious 12/4/2018 10:14:40 PM#301
pikachu's recovery is stupid in the original smash, quick attack is right behind Kirby in terms of never-dying, though he also had some very strong power moves too.

samus though has always been fun to play in smash. charge shot sounds good and when you hit it you feel so happy. bomb spamming also throws people off in casual play and the missiles that are semi-controllable are cool. you know it's just a really good arsenal when you suck your teeth for shooting a flamethrower.
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Nanis23 12/4/2018 10:23:59 PM#302
My brother and I always played Kirby (me) vs Pikachu (him)
That was years before I knew they are considered the best, guess we figured it out on our own (well, it might sound obvious to some, but not every top tier characyer is a top tier for a casual. Like, how do I even play SSBB Meta Knight?)
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Mario – 50.00%
Samus Aran – 48.58%
Sephiroth – 40.75%
Tifa Lockhart – 39.90%
Mega Man X – 39.76%
Luigi – 38.81%
Mewtwo – 33.44%
Ryu – 32.39%
Amaterasu – 31.48%
Frog – 29.79%
Captain Falcon – 28.58%
Lara Croft – 28.39%
Revolver Ocelot – 25.12%
GlaDOS – 25.09%
King Dedede – 24.87%
Albert Wesker – 24.22%
Miles “Tails” Prower – 23.56%
Richter Belmont – 22.64%
KOS-MOS – 22.62%
Commander Shepard – 21.67%
Geno – 21.39%
King K. Rool – 21.13%
Master Chief – 20.98%
Ellie – 20.61%
Lloyd Irving – 20.44%
Nathan Drake – 20.39%
Aqua – 19.28%
Metal Man – 18.23%
Miles Edgeworth – 17.49%
Isabelle – 15.39%
Monokuma – 14.08%
Quiet – 13.84%
Goro Majima – 13.00%
Draven – 7.47%
Samus is a good main for a casual. She is just very satisfying to play with charge shot, projectile spam, and large grab length. Plus she doesn't take much tech skill to win with a lot at mid levels of play.

I played both SSB and SSB4 very casually and main'd Samus in both. Melee I played much more competitively and didn't really touch Samus there. Brawl I didn't play enough to really develop a main.
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LeonhartFour posted...
Mario – 50.00%
Samus Aran – 48.58%
Sephiroth – 40.75%
Tifa Lockhart – 39.90%
Mega Man X – 39.76%
Luigi – 38.81%
Mewtwo – 33.44%
Ryu – 32.39%
Amaterasu – 31.48%
Frog – 29.79%
Captain Falcon – 28.58%
Lara Croft – 28.39%
Revolver Ocelot – 25.12%
GlaDOS – 25.09%
King Dedede – 24.87%
Albert Wesker – 24.22%
Miles “Tails” Prower – 23.56%
Richter Belmont – 22.64%
KOS-MOS – 22.62%
Commander Shepard – 21.67%
Geno – 21.39%
King K. Rool – 21.13%
Master Chief – 20.98%
Ellie – 20.61%
Lloyd Irving – 20.44%
Nathan Drake – 20.39%
Aqua – 19.28%
Metal Man – 18.23%
Miles Edgeworth – 17.49%
Isabelle – 15.39%
Monokuma – 14.08%
Quiet – 13.84%
Goro Majima – 13.00%
Draven – 7.47%


Whats Tifa projected on Mario through Seph instead of through Samus?
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Link versus Cloud posted...
Whats Tifa project on Mario through Seph instead of through Samus?


42.74%
Janus5k 12/4/2018 10:51:25 PM#307
LeonhartFour posted...
King K. Rool – 21.13%
Master Chief – 20.98%

pffffffffffff
"Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything."
Janus5k posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
King K. Rool – 21.13%
Master Chief – 20.98%

pffffffffffff

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/(1)Master_Chief_vs_(4)Donkey_Kong_2005

Oh man, good times.
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For the record, regarding Snake/Sonic tomorrow, Zelda projects a 56.17% win for Snake and Auron projects a 57.57% win for Snake.
The projection based on Zelda/Sonic could be on the low side if it turns out that the sprite pictures actually hurt Zelda slightly. We'll be able to use Snake/Zelda and Sonic/Snake to determine how much sprites actually hurt Zelda against Sonic.
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Lopen 12/4/2018 10:59:29 PM#311
Master Chief wouldn't lose to King K. Rool dammit that Tails/Luigi result is SFF
No problem!
This is a cute and pop genocide of love!
I mean it's not worse than Snake's sprite

although Sonic's was way better than Auron's
LeonhartFour posted...
42.74%


Thx

LeonhartFour posted...
For the record, regarding Snake/Sonic tomorrow, Zelda projects a 56.17% win for Snake and Auron projects a 57.57% win for Snake.


next two days should be pretty boring. Snake, Samus, Link, and Mario should all wreck with 55%+.
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Well, this was the drawback of the way the bracket was set up to allow rematches like this. We're getting one result flipped, but the rest will be pretty much the same, in all likelihood.

I am really curious to see what the gap is between Link and Cloud these days though, so even if that one isn't close, I'm still intrigued by the outcome.
Wanglicious 12/4/2018 11:05:44 PM#315
honestly at this point i'm not sure there's any reason Chief would lose against Shepard.
although i'm amused at the possibility of him jobbing to Geno.
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snake_5036 12/4/2018 11:08:03 PM#316
NeoElfboy posted...
I remember Pikachu having some great throws in SSB original as well. Agreed that he always seemed really good.

His back throw can kill in the middle of Dreamland at something stupidly low like 70-80% . They didn't even pretend to balance Pikachu in 64.
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Calintares 12/4/2018 11:20:43 PM#317
how will people decide what results to use for stats if we get rematches that deviate significantly?
ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do and die.
red sox 777 12/4/2018 11:22:09 PM#318
Link/Cloud has historically been so stable that I'm starting to get up my hopes for Cloud to pull off 46% again, just because he can. And only he can.
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Calintares posted...
how will people decide what results to use for stats if we get rematches that deviate significantly?


Probably the one that happens second/has more votes
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I imagine there will probably be a Winners and Losers version of the x-stats this year, in addition to our usual adjusted stats.
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Calintares posted...
how will people decide what results to use for stats if we get rematches that deviate significantly?

Take a look at the surrounding factors and make the best estimates from there.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Nanis23 12/5/2018 12:23:35 AM#322
Pikachu is cutting too slowely to matter
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Link versus Cloud posted...
Samus is a good main for a casual. She is just very satisfying to play with charge shot, projectile spam, and large grab length. Plus she doesn't take much tech skill to win with a lot at mid levels of play.

I played both SSB and SSB4 very casually and main'd Samus in both. Melee I played much more competitively and didn't really touch Samus there. Brawl I didn't play enough to really develop a main.


For amateurs like me, the grab length was one of the worst parts of Samus.

Back when I was like 11 or 12 years old playing videogames at my babysitter's house, I played Smash for the first time, and recognized Pikachu most so he was my first player. After running through single player with Pikachu for a few days, I picked up Samus having never played Metroid before because I though "he" looked super cool.

I hadn't played Ocarina or seen any Zelda 3D to that point (only played multiplayer games because I didn't own an N64) so I didn't recognize Link as the character I had played as for years on the NES, especially because I always chose a custom name as a little kid.
My scope was even smaller. I only knew Mario DK and Pikachu and no one else
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NowItsAngeTime posted...
My scope was even smaller. I only knew Mario DK and Pikachu and no one else


Luigi?
Started from the bottom now we here
haloiscoolisbak posted...
NowItsAngeTime posted...
My scope was even smaller. I only knew Mario DK and Pikachu and no one else


Luigi?


Mario 64 didnt have Luigi soooo...
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Is Mega Man favored to win still?

If so, the end of the match should be interesting, since if Pikachu does come back to win again we can get a better read on his clutch.
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Megaman wins by about 180 votes predicting by where he was at this hour and how much pikachu won by in the end in their previous match

i'd say that's low enough that its really just a tossup, same as the first match.
Pikachu has this in the bag. No way the rabid Pokemon manchildren don't manage to rally another cheap win
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lol xstats
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Pikachu has this in the bag. No way the rabid Pokemon manchildren don't manage to rally another cheap win


I just need to point out that not all of us Mega Man fans are like this guy. Then again every board 8er knows that Black Turtle is one of a kind.

But I will never understand the Pikachu love. Super annoying in the anime and useless in the games.
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Nanis23 12/5/2018 3:48:58 AM#331
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Pikachu has this in the bag. No way the rabid Pokemon manchildren don't manage to rally another cheap win

How does it feel to be wrong again and again and again so you start insulting?
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Zylothewolf posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Pikachu has this in the bag. No way the rabid Pokemon manchildren don't manage to rally another cheap win


I just need to point out that not all of us Mega Man fans are like this guy. Then again every board 8er knows that Black Turtle is one of a kind.

But I will never understand the Pikachu love. Super annoying in the anime and useless in the games.


Pikachu evolves to Raichu, which is decent in multiplayer.
spooky96 12/5/2018 4:15:57 AM#333
I don't think Pikachu or Raichu are viable competitively. There are just so many better electric types, Tapu, Zapdos to name a few.
spooky96 posted...
I don't think Pikachu or Raichu are viable competitively. There are just so many better electric types, Tapu, Zapdos to name a few.


Not on singles, but definitely in doubles.

Alolan Raichu gets Surge Surfer, which makes it a great offensive lead with Tapu Koko. Not to mention it has an exclusive Z-Move to go with that.

Regular Raichu gets Lightningrod, and it's one of the only two pokemon (the other being Togedemaru) that gets both that and Fake Out (as well as Encore), which makes it a good pure support option. It was made a little obsolete by Togedemaru, but you could still prefer Raichu due to the higher speed and not being 2x weak to Ground.
spooky96 12/5/2018 4:24:06 AM#335
Ah ok doubles, I was only thinking of singles. I'm not too updated about the meta. Does Landorus T wreck havoc in doubles too?
Last time I played (over a year ago) Lando T was omnipresent.

Intimidate is even better on doubles than on singles.

And groundium Z actually made it better.
Nanis23 12/5/2018 4:29:56 AM#337
Mega Man rising
RIP Pikachu
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That said the stuff I'm saying is from VGC17 where Alolan Raichu and Togedemaru were super common. I don't know what this year's meta did to their viability, but I assume they are still used sometimes.
spooky96 12/5/2018 5:06:50 AM#339
Oh yeah I remember now, damn there were just so many broken Z moves it was...just wasn't an addition I enjoyed.
Pikachu probably does well through a combination of being the franchise's mascot and Smash.
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Big Bob 12/5/2018 6:30:39 AM#341
I wonder if tomorrow's poll is "Which SSBM newcomer is your favorite?"

It'll have Ganondorf/Bowser/Mewtwo, so that could be fun to watch (even though we all know the true answer is Marth).
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Big Bob posted...
I wonder if tomorrow's poll is "Which SSBM newcomer is your favorite?"


That won't be tomorrow's poll.

Tomorrow's poll will be "Have you ever gone to the midnight release event for a new game?"
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Zelda – 50.00%
Solid Snake – 49.68%
*Sonic the Hedgehog – 43.55%
Sonic the Hedgehog – 42.16%
*Auron – 39.79%
Auron – 38.52%
Aerith Gainsborough – 37.81%
*Geralt – 37.29%
Squall Leonhart – 36.68%
*Bayonetta – 36.63%
Geralt – 36.10%
Fox McCloud – 35.77%
*Simon Belmont – 35.66%
Bayonetta – 35.46%
*Vincent Valentine – 35.17%
*Pac-Man – 35.12%
*Ryu Hayabusa – 35.09%
Simon Belmont – 34.52%
*Sub-Zero – 34.55%
Vincent Valentine – 34.05%
Pac-Man – 34.00%
Ryu Hayabusa – 33.97%
*Magus – 33.85%
Sub-Zero – 33.35%
Jill Valentine – 32.83%
*Rosalina – 32.79%
Magus – 32.77%
Waluigi – 32.19%
Rosalina – 31.75%
Captain Toad – 30.26%
The Boss – 29.30%
Shovel Knight – 28.70%
*Lucina – 27.50%
Lucina – 26.62%
Garrus Vakarian – 26.39%
*Riku – 26.08%
Ramza Beoulve – 26.06%
*Shulk – 25.79%
Metal Sonic – 25.48%
Riku – 25.25%
Shulk – 24.97%
Ezio Auditore da Firenze – 24.67%
*Claire Redfield – 23.25%
Claire Redfield – 22.59%
*Joker/Ren Amamiya – 21.58%
Joker/Ren Amamiya – 20.89%
D. Va – 20.37%
*Sans – 20.11%
Sans – 19.47%
Aloy – 19.18%
Hat Kid – 17.69%

Ones marked with the asterisk are the ones derived from the direct match with Zelda/Sonic. The others are the projections derived from Sonic/Auron and Snake/Auron, so Sonic actually did better than projected!
Nanis23 12/5/2018 7:26:48 AM#344
Wht the f*** is Aloy so bad
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Nanis23 posted...
Wht the f*** is Aloy so bad

She only has a single Western game. Garrus, Geralt and Ezio all got trilogies.
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Safer_777 12/5/2018 8:00:07 AM#346
@Nanis23 Exclusive non Nintendo game of course.

Came back from work, checked the results. This is what I have to say.

1st match=I was sure that MM would win. Of course I want Pikachu to win but of course Americans vote for the wrong character most of the times anyways.
2nd match=Expected.

Still on the Leaderboard! Also are people still fighting about Samus/Mario matches? Contest is serious business.
So why we exist? What happens when we stop existing?
Not just Samus/Mario, Samus/Mario in 2004 on how much Mario would win by.
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Safer_777 12/5/2018 8:29:37 AM#348
If onlly someone could rally for Pikachu. Does he has any Hentai or something?
So why we exist? What happens when we stop existing?
Nanis23 posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Pikachu has this in the bag. No way the rabid Pokemon manchildren don't manage to rally another cheap win

How does it feel to be wrong again and again and again so you start insulting?


Why the hell do you have ads in your sig?
Nanis23 posted...
Wht the f*** is Aloy so bad


Because she’s f***ing ugly.

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