FSABot posted...
I think a bunch of this is just Seph sucking now. Tifa vs Seph is gonna be interesting


I have MMX > Sephiroth, maybe it can still happen

>_>
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paulg235 11/29/2018 4:19:14 PM#102
redrocket posted...
Can anyone explain why Mario never boosted like this off the Galaxy games?

Galaxy 1 didn't come out until the 2007 contest wrapped up, then everyone soured on the Wii as a whole by 2008. Galaxy 2 came out Summer 2010 where we were 3 years away from another character contest.
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Mewtwo59 11/29/2018 4:19:31 PM#103
KamikazePotato posted...
How in the world did Vivi beat this.


Maybe he didn't and Odyssey gave Mario that much of a boost?
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KamikazePotato posted...
How in the world did Vivi beat this.

Vivi > Seph clearly
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CBX - Today's Winners: Samus and Mario
Kyle Bowen 11/29/2018 4:20:55 PM#106
KamikazePotato posted...
Zelda: "Hey guys, I made a statement for myself by getting over 60% on a really strong Square character!"
Mario: "Hold my beer."


Well played
KB
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
redrocket posted...
Can anyone explain why Mario never boosted like this off the Galaxy games?


Were you here in 2005?

In 2005 there was a huge Nintendo boost.

The one who benefitted the most from it was Mario, who went from losing to Crono to unquestionably being the #4 character in the contest.

Look at how every piece of Nintendo has looked this year.

It's another huge Nintendo boost, and guess who is benefiting the most from it again?

As I’ve said before, I don’t think it’s a boost.

I think everything else just keeps dropping. These other franchises don’t keep getting new great games like Nintendo and don’t have quite the same nostalgia as the overall Nintendo brand is still strong.
So fun fact:

Mario (2013c) has a strength of 47.13 against Base Link.
Sephiroth (2013c) has a strength of 38.89 against Base Link.
Mario wins with 58.74% of the vote!
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
redrocket 11/29/2018 4:21:59 PM#109
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
redrocket posted...
Can anyone explain why Mario never boosted like this off the Galaxy games?


Were you here in 2005?

In 2005 there was a huge Nintendo boost.

The one who benefitted the most from it was Mario, who went from losing to Crono to unquestionably being the #4 character in the contest.

Look at how every piece of Nintendo has looked this year.

It's another huge Nintendo boost, and guess who is benefiting the most from it again?


2005 was pre-Galaxy.

Mario never looked quite that dominant again until now, despite the Galaxy games being a huge success.
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KamikazePotato posted...
creativename posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
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How in the world did Vivi beat this.

Heavy LFF presumably.

If you give Mario 100% of Ganondorf's votes, Vivi still (currently) has a higher score than Sephiroth does.

How many rally votes was Vivi estimated to get (net)?
creativename posted...
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
redrocket posted...
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Can anyone explain why Mario never boosted like this off the Galaxy games?


Were you here in 2005?

In 2005 there was a huge Nintendo boost.

The one who benefitted the most from it was Mario, who went from losing to Crono to unquestionably being the #4 character in the contest.

Look at how every piece of Nintendo has looked this year.

It's another huge Nintendo boost, and guess who is benefiting the most from it again?

As I’ve said before, I don’t think it’s a boost.

I think everything else just keeps dropping. These other franchises don’t keep getting new great games like Nintendo and don’t have quite the same nostalgia as the overall Nintendo brand is still strong.


If everything keeps dropping and Nintendo stays stable, that's basically a boost?

I guess technically not if you base things on current Link?
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KamikazePotato posted...
So fun fact:

Mario (2013c) has a strength of 47.13 against Base Link.
Sephiroth (2013c) has a strength of 38.89 against Base Link.
Mario wins with 58.74% of the vote!


I don’t consider that fact “fun”
Obviously though Zelda herself as a character has boosted.
creativename posted...
How many rally votes was Vivi estimated to get (net)?

Quite a few, but still. It's not like 100% of Ganondorf's votes go to Mario regardless.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
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lordjers 11/29/2018 4:23:54 PM#115
I can only get over Zelda > Snake if Mario wins it all.
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tennisboy213 11/29/2018 4:24:21 PM#116
KamikazePotato posted...
If you give Mario 100% of Ganondorf's votes, Vivi still (currently) has a higher score than Sephiroth does.

The Mario/Vivi match had 40k votes when the other matches were getting 30k.
ctesjbuvf 11/29/2018 4:24:46 PM#117
KamikazePotato posted...
creativename posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
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How in the world did Vivi beat this.

Heavy LFF presumably.

If you give Mario 100% of Ganondorf's votes, Vivi still (currently) has a higher score than Sephiroth does.


Well, Seph has yet to be rallied.
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lordjers posted...
I can only get over Zelda > Snake if Mario wins it all.

Unfortunately, 2013 Link is still projected to do better than this.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
lordjers posted...
I can only get over Zelda > Snake if Mario wins it all.


What if Zelda wins it all?
Early vote or not, this is f***ing insane for Mario. I wish Luigi would have gotten this kind of boost too, but c'est la vie.
Now crack that combination:
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ZeldaTPLink 11/29/2018 4:35:31 PM#121
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
creativename posted...
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
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redrocket posted...
Can anyone explain why Mario never boosted like this off the Galaxy games?


Were you here in 2005?

In 2005 there was a huge Nintendo boost.

The one who benefitted the most from it was Mario, who went from losing to Crono to unquestionably being the #4 character in the contest.

Look at how every piece of Nintendo has looked this year.

It's another huge Nintendo boost, and guess who is benefiting the most from it again?

As I’ve said before, I don’t think it’s a boost.

I think everything else just keeps dropping. These other franchises don’t keep getting new great games like Nintendo and don’t have quite the same nostalgia as the overall Nintendo brand is still strong.


If everything keeps dropping and Nintendo stays stable, that's basically a boost?

I guess technically not if you base things on current Link?


I mean technically yes. But I think his point is that everything tends to drop unless they keep getting great games, and only Nintendo does that.

Unless your name is Crono that is.
squexa 11/29/2018 4:36:15 PM#122
Wow 11.06% of brackets took Zelda > Snake normally but only 7.67% of second chance brackets took Zelda > Snake.

I guess people weren't impressed by what they saw?
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Nanis23 11/29/2018 4:36:25 PM#123
You know, people might say Tifa can't be hentai rallied against Samus because she will be Hentai SFF'd by her
Let me just remind you, people said the same thing about Undertale and Pokemon RB

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Xeybozn 11/29/2018 4:36:48 PM#124
So do we still think Samus is as strong or stronger than Mario indirectly? If so, doesn't that mean Tifa might be as strong as Sephiroth?
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ZeldaTPLink 11/29/2018 4:37:30 PM#125
squexa posted...
Wow 11.06% of brackets took Zelda > Snake normally but only 7.67% of second chance brackets took Zelda > Snake.

I guess people weren't impressed by what they saw?


I'm starting to doubt those numbers.
squexa 11/29/2018 4:40:36 PM#126
ZeldaTPLink posted...
squexa posted...
Wow 11.06% of brackets took Zelda > Snake normally but only 7.67% of second chance brackets took Zelda > Snake.

I guess people weren't impressed by what they saw?


I'm starting to doubt those numbers.


Yeah is it the same shenanigans where the 11.06% also includes Squall > Snake or something. This doesn't make any sense at all otherwise.
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QJD1381 11/29/2018 4:40:49 PM#127
TheCodeisBosco posted...
Early vote or not, this is f***ing insane for Mario. I wish Luigi would have gotten this kind of boost too, but c'est la vie.

I still haven't forgiven Nintendo for not making him playable in Odyssey. Mario slaying Sephiroth over here while Luigi dies with a whimper against Tifa. No respect for Mr. Green
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lordjers 11/29/2018 4:41:47 PM#128
FinaIFantasy posted...
lordjers posted...
I can only get over Zelda > Snake if Mario wins it all.


What if Zelda wins it all?


Doubt it. But, at least it'd be better than Pikachu.
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abdou 11/29/2018 4:42:46 PM#129
Damn, Mario showing no mercy

I guess the only people who vote in the polls anymore are hardcore Nintendo fans. Everyone else stopped voting.
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igordebraga 11/29/2018 4:46:16 PM#130
Searched on YouTube for Snake Zelda (mostly that Brawl codec), and found out something that went as bad for Snake as our poll.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDlgc63O6po
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WarThaNemesis2 posted...
creativename posted...
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
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redrocket posted...
Can anyone explain why Mario never boosted like this off the Galaxy games?


Were you here in 2005?

In 2005 there was a huge Nintendo boost.

The one who benefitted the most from it was Mario, who went from losing to Crono to unquestionably being the #4 character in the contest.

Look at how every piece of Nintendo has looked this year.

It's another huge Nintendo boost, and guess who is benefiting the most from it again?

As I’ve said before, I don’t think it’s a boost.

I think everything else just keeps dropping. These other franchises don’t keep getting new great games like Nintendo and don’t have quite the same nostalgia as the overall Nintendo brand is still strong.


If everything keeps dropping and Nintendo stays stable, that's basically a boost?

I guess technically not if you base things on current Link?

Well it’s a question of predicting the future.

Firstly these waifus seem to do pretty well. That kind of goes against the Nintendo boosting narrative.

Secondly it’s a question of franchise revival.

Let’s say by some miracle the FF7 remake is absolutely beloved and a massive hit (never going to happen). This would lead to those guys gaining in strength, without Nintendo dropping. You’d expect Seph to beat Snake again.

Whereas if there was a new MGS game with Snake and it was a massive beloved hit, you’d expect him to beat Zelda even if she doesn’t drop.

So when comparing across years, it very much makes a difference if it’s a Nintendo boost or everything else drop, even though within a single contest it’s functionally the same.
ZeldaTPLink 11/29/2018 4:46:59 PM#132
squexa posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
squexa posted...
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Wow 11.06% of brackets took Zelda > Snake normally but only 7.67% of second chance brackets took Zelda > Snake.

I guess people weren't impressed by what they saw?


I'm starting to doubt those numbers.


Yeah is it the same shenanigans where the 11.06% also includes Squall > Snake or something. This doesn't make any sense at all otherwise.


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Yuri_LowelI 11/29/2018 4:53:57 PM#133
redrocket posted...
Can anyone explain why Mario never boosted like this off the Galaxy games?


The wii and wii u sucked ass.
Yuri_LowelI 11/29/2018 4:55:15 PM#134
FinaIFantasy posted...
lordjers posted...
I can only get over Zelda > Snake if Mario wins it all.


What if Zelda wins it all?


Mario is getting 60+ on sephirtoth. He will murder Zelda.

I can’t wait until we see a losers final between cloud and Mario

Mario will relive his sunshine moment and beat Cloud once again. It will be glorious.
squexa posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
squexa posted...
show hidden quote(s)
Wow 11.06% of brackets took Zelda > Snake normally but only 7.67% of second chance brackets took Zelda > Snake.

I guess people weren't impressed by what they saw?


I'm starting to doubt those numbers.


Yeah is it the same shenanigans where the 11.06% also includes Squall > Snake or something. This doesn't make any sense at all otherwise.


That's not how it worked. The shenanigans earlier was when they were showing numbers next to both names, the loser had all the brackets that picked wrong, regardless of whether their pick was in the match.

I wanted to discuss this also. Like, can you really picture someone watching what Zelda did to Squall and Aerith and the Boss, watching Big Boss and Ocelot disappoint relative to expectations (I'm not even counting Quiet in there; there's nothing to be gained from analyzing fodder vs. fodder matches), and saying "eh, maybe I gave Zelda too much credit; better switch to Snake.

The obvious answer is that Zelda's initial support was disproportionately concentrated among the minimum 1509 bracketmakers that didn't make a Second Chance Bracket, and that she didn't gain as many believers as we thought with that run because Snake is just that well respected now.

(Minimum based on the highly unlikely event that every Second Chance bracketmaker also made a main bracket.)
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tennisboy213 11/29/2018 5:07:08 PM#137
Mario might finish below Samus by the end
Yuri_LowelI 11/29/2018 5:07:29 PM#138
TheCodeisBosco posted...
Early vote or not, this is f***ing insane for Mario. I wish Luigi would have gotten this kind of boost too, but c'est la vie.


Maybe he did?

If he’s worth 49 on Tifa. That’s impressive
Good showing for Samus.

Hilarious showing for Mario.

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Ringworm 11/29/2018 5:13:19 PM#140
So of the 438 that picked Zelda in 2nd chance, 339 are still perfect? Impressive.

(I'm in the 99, as I had MM).
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Not_Wylvane 11/29/2018 5:14:54 PM#141
UltimaterializerX posted...
Good job complaining about a picture and blaming me for Mario’s loss, guys.

I see Board 8 is as smart as ever.

If it weren’t for your pic Mario would be doubling Sephiroth right now!
Anyone who took both Pikachu and Zelda has balls of f***ing steel. Tenfold if they actually had that in their MAIN bracket.
Now crack that combination:
27 99 23.
Yuri_LowelI posted...
TheCodeisBosco posted...
Early vote or not, this is f***ing insane for Mario. I wish Luigi would have gotten this kind of boost too, but c'est la vie.


Maybe he did?

If he’s worth 49 on Tifa. That’s impressive


You may be right, I think I just got my hopes too high for MY BOY. I really thought he'd win his division and not be too threatened doing it.
Now crack that combination:
27 99 23.
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SlugSh0t 11/29/2018 5:25:57 PM#144
damn tifa is starting to look terrible here
>_______________>
Yuri_LowelI 11/29/2018 5:28:13 PM#145
SlugSh0t posted...
damn tifa is starting to look terrible here


Or samus is looking incredible.

Shame she has Mario next.

I expect her to challenge cloud actually for that losers final pick.....in which she’ll still probably lose to mario again.
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This isn't much higher than what Samus is projected to do. People forgot how strong she is.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
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I really regret having faith in Seph in the loser bracket. I picked him to lose here but go far later. Whoops.
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It won't mean much in the long run, but I think Zelda has a great shot at outperforming Samus against Mario.
heroicmario 11/29/2018 6:16:36 PM#149
Mario with 60% on Sephiroth might be the best thing in any contest ever. On the other hand, Mario is probably still going to get roasted by Link, haha.
Yuri_LowelI 11/29/2018 6:19:45 PM#150
heroicmario posted...
Mario with 60% on Sephiroth might be the best thing in any contest ever. On the other hand, Mario is probably still going to get roasted by Link, haha.


Link is also stronger. Probably the strongest he’ll ever be.

A lot of Nintendo characters are.

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