In 2006 we had Steroid Snake vs. Villains Contest-effect Samus.

Samus stomped.
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I'd feel better about Sonic if his result against Auron wasn't bad, but it is.
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Let me repeat that, Samus Aran, whose list of characters she can SFF is Ridley and Mother Brain, also includes Snake.
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Lopen posted...
Zelda losing to Sonic wouldn't surprise me that much

Are you seeing Sonic right now bro?

Zelda got 60% on Squall. Squall and Auron are basically the same strength. Zelda finna

Lay.

Down.

The.

LAW.
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Lopen 11/28/2018 7:23:32 PM#105
I take Sonic looking about as strong as Crono here, maybe a bit better. Auron looked completely fine and up to form if you ignore the Geralt match. Bowser looked dubious in everything but Kirby and Gordon's matches
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WarThaNemesis2 posted...
Let me repeat that, Samus Aran, whose list of characters she can SFF is Ridley and Mother Brain, also includes Snake.

Snake's boost was because of Nintendo. Put him against Nintendo and he reverts to pre-Brawl strength. We've seen it way too often.

Now in fairness, a lot of this stuff today is a "f*** Konami" vote. The entire MGS clan looks like piss.
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Lopen posted...
I take Sonic looking about as strong as Crono here, maybe a bit better. Auron looked completely fine and up to form if you ignore the Geralt match. Bowser looked dubious in everything but Kirby and Gordon's matches

Auron's lost 3% on Sub-Zero over the past 12 years. New Square has slowly, but very surely, gone down bit by bit. For Sonic to be the favorite against Zelda, he needs to break 60% today and beat Zelda's score on Squall.
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Lopen 11/28/2018 7:27:35 PM#108
Saying Zelda would be a huge favorite against Sonic sounds a lot like a Samus thrashing Mario kind of pick.

Sonic putting up higher numbers against her than Auron wouldn't be shocking to me
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UltimaterializerX posted...
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
Let me repeat that, Samus Aran, whose list of characters she can SFF is Ridley and Mother Brain, also includes Snake.

Snake's boost was because of Nintendo. Put him against Nintendo and he reverts to pre-Brawl strength. We've seen it way too often.

Now in fairness, a lot of this stuff today is a "f*** Konami" vote. The entire MGS clan looks like piss.


Absolutely. 2006 Samus was garbage (by her standards) going into that Snake match, and it was never a contest.

When you get IT'S FREAKING SAMUSed, something is worrisome.
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Lopen posted...
Saying Zelda would be a huge favorite against Sonic sounds a lot like a Samus thrashing Mario kind of pick.

Have you actually played Breath of the Wild? Zelda being insane is no accident.

Yoblazer, Hyrule Warriors is a boring game but you are 100% right about the character models. If you ever get back into making pictures I highly recommend using them. Best the Zelda clan has ever looked, outside that one Link picture from Breath where he's firing the arrow. Only Oni Link touches that one for me personally.

I'm very, very, VERY happy Allen agrees with us and is picking Warriors pictures. They look slick as all hell.
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Team Rocket Elite 11/28/2018 7:30:57 PM#111
Lopen posted...
I take Sonic looking about as strong as Crono here, maybe a bit better. Auron looked completely fine and up to form if you ignore the Geralt match. Bowser looked dubious in everything but Kirby and Gordon's matches


What did you dislike with Bowser's performance on Charizard? Are you including Bowser's result against Crono as being dubious?
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Fiop 11/28/2018 7:31:24 PM#112
I was so proud of myself for going ahead with the Pikachu > MM upset, but I did not have the foresight to take Zelda here, sadly. My bracket is close to getting on the leaderboard, but Zelda winning is probably going to mess it up too much to salvage. Hard to root against her, though. I rooted for Zelda to beat Snake way back in the day of their first match.
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Heavily disagree with that interpretation. Auron did 'okay' against Lucina and Vincent, underperformed a lot against Sub-Zero, and then let Geralt get 47% on him. Rosalina is currently projected to get like 41% on Sonic. Even if you assume that Auron hasn't dropped at all, he's still underperforming relative to 2013 stats. On the other hand, Bowser obliterated Gordon and Charizard, then beat Kirby. The only dubious match he had was 2B.

It's just a bad performance. Sonic is looking like he's easily the weakest of the Noble Nine after today.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
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Let me repeat that, Samus Aran, whose list of characters she can SFF is Ridley and Mother Brain, also includes Snake.

Snake's boost was because of Nintendo. Put him against Nintendo and he reverts to pre-Brawl strength. We've seen it way too often.

Now in fairness, a lot of this stuff today is a "f*** Konami" vote. The entire MGS clan looks like piss.


Absolutely. 2006 Samus was garbage (by her standards) going into that Snake match, and it was never a contest.

When you get IT'S FREAKING SAMUSed, something is worrisome.

Yep.

Now put him up against the guy that IT'S FREAKING MARIOd Samus.
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Lopen posted...
Saying Zelda would be a huge favorite against Sonic sounds a lot like a Samus thrashing Mario kind of pick.

Sonic putting up higher numbers against her than Auron wouldn't be shocking to me

A character who literally has the name Zelda is not going to be lower on Sonic in the weird Nintendo hierarchy thing. Zelda doing worse than Auron against Sonic might be the hottest take I've seen all contest.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
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KamikazePotato posted...
Heavily disagree with that interpretation. Auron did 'okay' against Lucina and Vincent, underperformed a lot against Sub-Zero, and then let Geralt get 47% on him. Rosalina is currently projected to get like 41% on Sonic. Even if you assume that Auron hasn't dropped at all, he's still underperforming relative to 2013 stats. On the other hand, Bowser obliterated Gordon and Charizard, then beat Kirby. The only dubious match he had was 2B.

It's just a bad performance. Sonic is looking like he's easily the weakest of the Noble Nine after today.

I'm of the belief that we should throw out stats from 3/4-ways. These guys just don't act the same 1 on 1.
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KamikazePotato posted...
Lopen posted...
Saying Zelda would be a huge favorite against Sonic sounds a lot like a Samus thrashing Mario kind of pick.

Sonic putting up higher numbers against her than Auron wouldn't be shocking to me

A character who literally has the name Zelda is not going to be lower on Sonic in the weird Nintendo hierarchy thing. Zelda doing worse than Auron against Sonic might be the hottest take I've seen all contest.

Jim Rome would call it a MOLTEN LAVA take. It's Hot Take Guy on steroids! Throwing that gas can all over the infield!

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If Zelda does somehow get to Link how much would she get SFFed?
Team Rocket Elite 11/28/2018 7:38:08 PM#120
She would do better than Ganondorf.
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squexa 11/28/2018 7:38:59 PM#121
Lopen posted...
I take Sonic looking about as strong as Crono here, maybe a bit better. Auron looked completely fine and up to form if you ignore the Geralt match. Bowser looked dubious in everything but Kirby and Gordon's matches


If we think Auron's completely fine like you said, then Magus got a massive boost. In that case, Crono should be better than ever, so I don't think the Bowser vs Crono result looks dubious at all.

2B's a new character, with unknown strength, so I don't wouldn't place too much emphasis on that.

I suppose the issue with Charizard is that Terra got 47% on him. I agree it's a bit strange, but with how good Old Square and the FF girls have looked, she could have boosted.
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tgs2 11/28/2018 7:39:33 PM#122
Zelda would avoid the doubling against Link, albeit barely. It will be like the shocker Tifa pulled on Sephiroth in 2010.
Lopen 11/28/2018 7:39:58 PM#123
KamikazePotato posted...
A character who literally has the name Zelda is not going to be lower on Sonic in the weird Nintendo hierarchy thing. Zelda doing worse than Auron against Sonic might be the hottest take I've seen all contest.


Zelda is a side character. If that name really mattered she would have been worth more before this year. Sonic is a big name so should win these types of splits vs side characters. Mega Man embarrassed her in 03. She's not bulletproof in SFF matches by any means against characters with higher pedigree
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Team Rocket Elite 11/28/2018 7:40:47 PM#125
To be honest, if Zelda makes it past Mario it means Zelda has gotten bandwagoned. That should mean she'll also do quite well against Link.
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Mega Man embarrassed her in 2003 are we going back that far now

A 'side character' (which is doing the character a disservice considering how many games she's in) from the Zelda series (who is literally named Zelda) is higher up on the Hierarchy that a character who isn't even full Nintendo, just like a Bowser is higher up on the hierarchy than Kirby because Mario>Kirby even if Bowser isn't Mario.
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Lopen 11/28/2018 7:46:32 PM#127
I'm just saying if you dumb down the Mario vs Samus matchup to the point where, frankly, I feel a lot of people who picked Mario did, it feels a lot to me like the Sonic vs Zelda matchup. Something that feels too much like an "only on GameFAQs" result to feel like it should be a likely result. It fails the eyeball test pretty hard to me. I'm not saying it can't happen but I do think Sonic is being grossly underestimated.
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I wouldn't mind a Zelda bandwagon, though no bandwagon is enough to beat Link
Team Rocket Elite 11/28/2018 7:49:54 PM#129
I mean Zelda beating Snake is weird even for a GameFAQs match but here we are.
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Lopen 11/28/2018 7:53:05 PM#130
Metal Gear Solid is popular and all but I wouldn't really call it on that level. Sonic is the face of the console wars of yore. Snake is just a well liked character. He's more akin to your Sephiroths and Clouds or Samuses. The eyeball test doesn't really apply to them.
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Sonic is the ultimate has-been. Calling him the Face of the Console Wars of Yore is giving him way too much credit. That sort of thing is way in the past. You put Mario against Sonic and Mario against Zelda, and Sonic gets SFFd more.

Also if Sonic wants to end this match even looking slightly respectable, he should probably stop dropping percentage even before the deep night vote comes.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
2018 Sonic is currently projected to get 60.61% on Sub-Zero.

for comparison:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2546-time-division-round-2-auron-vs-sub-zero
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squexa 11/28/2018 8:16:12 PM#133
Lopen posted...
I'm just saying if you dumb down the Mario vs Samus matchup to the point where, frankly, I feel a lot of people who picked Mario did, it feels a lot to me like the Sonic vs Zelda matchup. Something that feels too much like an "only on GameFAQs" result to feel like it should be a likely result. It fails the eyeball test pretty hard to me. I'm not saying it can't happen but I do think Sonic is being grossly underestimated.


Does Sonic SFF top Nintendo characters? Off the top of my head, I suppose there's that Sonic & Robotnik destroying Kirby & Meta Knight result in 2011, but Samus seems to have no trouble with Sonic at least.
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Lopen 11/28/2018 8:17:01 PM#134
squexa posted...
Does Sonic SFF top Nintendo characters?


No

But what does this have to do with Zelda?
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squexa 11/28/2018 8:20:58 PM#135
Lopen posted...
squexa posted...
Does Sonic SFF top Nintendo characters?


No

But what does this have to do with Zelda?


Maybe I misunderstood you, but I assumed you are suggesting that Sonic will SFF Zelda, which is how Zelda will fare possibly worse than Auron against Sonic.
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SlugSh0t 11/28/2018 8:23:42 PM#136
I think sonic might lose to zelda but he’ll do much better than people give him credit for.
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Lopen 11/28/2018 8:25:07 PM#137
Sonic not SFFing Samus doesn't mean he can't SFF Zelda is what I'm saying. I mean maybe he can't but I'm not convinced Zelda will hold very well in a SFF match. A bit more faith than in Ganondorf but yeah. Let's put her to the test first before calling it a given she holds because her name is Zelda.

She certainly could. I'm not saying Sonic beating Zelda by more than Auron is a certainty but I do think there's a decent possibility of it happening.
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Sonic is really sucking right now btw

relative to Crono/Bowser his lead on Auron started off ahead in the first hours. by now it's fallen significantly behind
redrocket 11/28/2018 8:26:23 PM#139
I mean, I think it's at least equally likely that Zelda beats Sonic by more than she beats Snake.
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Team Rocket Elite 11/28/2018 8:27:34 PM#140
For what it is worth, Ganondorf didn't really hold up when he fought Sonic:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3828-chaos-division-round-3-sonic-vs-ganondorf

The popular explanation was it was the sprite round but it's always possible that that explanation was wrong.
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Kirby held up fine in that same year:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3843-chaos-division-final-sonic-vs-kirby
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lordjers 11/28/2018 8:28:50 PM#142
Snake is losing in Alaska.

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Team Rocket Elite 11/28/2018 8:29:28 PM#143
I think Lopen is saying Zelda won't hold up as well as main characters like Samus and Kirby.
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I think while being a main character still has merit, I don't trust its worth nearly as much after what happened to Kirby like a week ago.
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Lopen 11/28/2018 8:31:57 PM#145
I'd heavily consider taking Bowser over Zelda too even now if you're asking if I'm being consistent
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Team Rocket Elite 11/28/2018 8:43:23 PM#146
Zelda didn't really crumple that badly against Samus:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3846-varia-division-final-samus-aran-vs-zelda

I think you are asking for Sonic to hurt Zelda way more than Samus did if you want to push Zelda to Auron's level.
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red sox 777 11/28/2018 8:50:37 PM#147
Let's wait for the night vote to kick in. Europe should add to the classic North American night vote here.
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squexa 11/28/2018 8:53:34 PM#149
The issue with Sonic is that he's an adopted Nintendo character, which is why I feel like he would have a harder time SFFing a true Nintendo character and why I was asking about his track record SFFing Nintendo.
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MZero11 11/28/2018 8:54:35 PM#150
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This might be the worst result in the history of the contest, tbh.


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