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BlAcK TuRtLe posted... Can someone explain how a bulls*** rally Pikachu win is the first Noble Nine failure, and not the plethora of other bulls*** rally characters that beat the Noble Nine (or the non rally Vincent over Cronin result) Can you really consider it a rally Pikachu win when Mega Man won the outside vote? "That's Engarde hairflip metal detector tier btw" -XIII_rocks |
hombad46 posted... BlAcK TuRtLe posted...Can someone explain how a bulls*** rally Pikachu win is the first Noble Nine failure, and not the plethora of other bulls*** rally characters that beat the Noble Nine (or the non rally Vincent over Cronin result) This doesn't fit the narrative and will therefore be discounted. The final Undisputed Champion in UCA history. |
hombad46 posted... BlAcK TuRtLe posted...Can someone explain how a bulls*** rally Pikachu win is the first Noble Nine failure, and not the plethora of other bulls*** rally characters that beat the Noble Nine (or the non rally Vincent over Cronin result) People learned they could create accounts to stuff double the votes BKSheikah, my hat is off to you. Welcome to the Guru Champions Club lol xstats |
BlAcK TuRtLe posted... hombad46 posted...BlAcK TuRtLe posted...show hidden quote(s)Can someone explain how a bulls*** rally Pikachu win is the first Noble Nine failure, and not the plethora of other bulls*** rally characters that beat the Noble Nine (or the non rally Vincent over Cronin result) Doesn't the bonus only apply to accounts created prior to the tournament? I thought I read that somewhere "That's Engarde hairflip metal detector tier btw" -XIII_rocks |
Other than more bulls*** rally shenanigans, Cronin and Cloud are looking like s*** here BKSheikah, my hat is off to you. Welcome to the Guru Champions Club lol xstats |
hombad46 posted... BlAcK TuRtLe posted...hombad46 posted...show hidden quote(s)BlAcK TuRtLe posted...Can someone explain how a bulls*** rally Pikachu win is the first Noble Nine failure, and not the plethora of other bulls*** rally characters that beat the Noble Nine (or the non rally Vincent over Cronin result) This doesn't fit the narrative and will therefore be discounted. The final Undisputed Champion in UCA history. |
Also, wow at that Cloud surge since the board vote. The FFVII board vote is alive and well. Still, Link cleared 71% against Alucard in 2010. Crono is still beating Cloud next round. September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! |
hombad46 posted... BlAcK TuRtLe posted...hombad46 posted...show hidden quote(s)BlAcK TuRtLe posted...Can someone explain how a bulls*** rally Pikachu win is the first Noble Nine failure, and not the plethora of other bulls*** rally characters that beat the Noble Nine (or the non rally Vincent over Cronin result) Yep, I'm pretty sure that's in the official rules. |
red sox 777 posted... Also, wow at that Cloud surge since the board vote. The FFVII board vote is alive and well. This Alucard is probably stronger than 2010's Alucard. I don't mind Crono>Cloud though ... |
Does
anyone really think this was the point the Noble Nine broke? If 1v1,
24 hours, was a requirement, the Noble Nine has had hardly any
opportunities to be broken since 2006. 2007 - 4-ways 2008 - 4-ways 2010 - All 12-hour matches, except for the final 3 matches, in which all participants were Noble Niners. 2013 - All 3-ways, except for the Link vs. Snake bonus match. 2018 - No Noble Niners in the main bracket except for Sephiroth. There just haven't been any real chances for the Noble Nine to lose in a 1v1, 24 hour, situation since 2006. September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! |
Yeah,
for CT being the monster it was in the last contest, I was hoping Crono
would do a little better. Still not a bad showing if he can win with
55%. That probably puts him above Mega Man and Pikachu at least,
assuming that Bowser is stronger than Yoshi. I'm not betting on Crono beating Cloud with how the matches currently look. I don't think Alucard is far from Bowser in strength. I wish it was Crono vs. Sephiroth! Oh, yeah, and how on earth did PIkachu catch up to Mega Man? Rallies, I would assume? "Ah,
a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So... what is
a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." (edited 11/27/2018 7:06:54 PM) |
hombad46 posted... BlAcK TuRtLe posted...hombad46 posted...show hidden quote(s)BlAcK TuRtLe posted...Can someone explain how a bulls*** rally Pikachu win is the first Noble Nine failure, and not the plethora of other bulls*** rally characters that beat the Noble Nine (or the non rally Vincent over Cronin result) That's definitely in the rules, and if we assume Bacon is actually following them, the stats page shows there actually wasn't a single vote from someone who made an account after the contest started. Though it's possible he just screwed up the programming and is still counting new accounts as double. Either that or new accounts are being counted as anonymous. I guess the latter makes the most sense Someone make a new account and vote with it to test =/ A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice. (edited 11/27/2018 7:08:35 PM) |
red sox 777 posted... Does anyone really think this was the point the Noble Nine broke? If 1v1, 24 hours, was a requirement, the Noble Nine has had hardly any opportunities to be broken since 2006. Agree with this. And so far one of them has been exposed. Soon to be sonic I hope. |
BlAcK TuRtLe posted... Other than more bulls*** rally shenanigans, Cronin and Cloud are looking like s*** here You need some help. |
Haste_2 posted... Yeah, for CT being the monster it was in the last contest, I was hoping Crono would do a little better. Still not a bad showing if he can win with 55%. That probably puts him above Mega Man and Pikachu at least, assuming that Bowser is stronger than Yoshi. Yes, but I quoted you to address your first point. Crono has never been as strong as Chrono Trigger. Not even when he was clearly the #5 member of the Noble Nine, prior to his loss to Sonic in 2006. Remember, CT was literally a finalist in BGE1. Oh, hey, here's a fun thing we should do. We have to make a Noble Nine for Games Contests, which games are in it? My picks: Ocarina of Time Final Fantasy VII Chrono Trigger Super Smash Bros. Melee A Link to the Past Final Fantasy X Final Fantasy VI Super Mario World Super Mario 64 Remember, the Noble Nine haven't missed a single character battle. So even though Melee and FFX lost to Brawl in GotD, we can't include Brawl. I considered SMB3 as one of the four division winners from BGE1, but fourways or not, SMW took two out of three rounds from SMB3, SM64 had those victories over CT in 2009, and both of them directly lost to Undertale whereas SMB3's loss in BGE3 was to a legitimately strong game that was also absent from BGE1 and is therefore ineligible for NN status. Anyone you think deserves a spot more than one of those? "Someday I'll catch up, and then you'll all be surprised!" BKSheikah has the power. He is the one. (edited 11/27/2018 7:41:31 PM) |
I think Cloud looks fine here. Alucard got out of a division over Red, Sora, and Big f***in' Boss. Alucard is the strongest he's ever been. Because people want to become vampires and live forever. We all are getting old on GameFAQs. Dilated Chemist |
With
exception to one person, people aren't asking for Crono to be able to
challenge Link like Chrono Trigger might be able to challenge OoT.
People were just hoping for Crono to look a bit better so he wouldn't
drop a match to a non-Noble Nine character and hopefully take out Mega
Man as well. Some of the stronger believers were hoping for a shot at
Cloud as well but it doesn't seem like Cloud fell enough for that to
happen. This was not the best year for my bracket. Congrats to BK_Sheikah00 for winning the BYIG Guru Contest! |
TsunamiXXVIII posted... Haste_2 posted...Yeah, for CT being the monster it was in the last contest, I was hoping Crono would do a little better. Still not a bad showing if he can win with 55%. That probably puts him above Mega Man and Pikachu at least, assuming that Bowser is stronger than Yoshi. FFX now would be very debatable. Especially seeing as MM beat it. Everything else seems fine. FFVI I can see losing to some games too like SMB3 and BOTW. |
Team Rocket Elite posted... With exception to one person, people aren't asking for Crono to be able to challenge Link like Chrono Trigger might be able to challenge OoT. People were just hoping for Crono to look a bit better so he wouldn't drop a match to a non-Noble Nine character and hopefully take out Mega Man as well. Some of the stronger believers were hoping for a shot at Cloud as well but it doesn't seem like Cloud fell enough for that to happen. Crono as a character hasn’t been relevant in gaming for over 20 years. Aside from some ports the dude has had nothing. The fact that he’s even able to be here now taking on and beating what is a hugely popular Nintendo villain is a testament to his raw popularity on a site like this. Let’s be brutally honest. If gamefaqs still had 100k+ votes per match like in the hey day but with users from the modem era guys like Crono would be weaker because a large % of the normal Gfaqs user base would be from a newer generation. Fact is this site doesn’t get that many number of new users hence why the general votals and users are much lower. |
Yeah,
I figured FFX was probably the most debatable one. ...Oh, right, MM was
the one that beat it, not Brawl. Okay, yeah, take FFX out and put SMB3
in; that works better with the 2004 X-Stats anyway. That puts all of the
top 7 in the raw x-stats into the Noble Nine, with SMW (which proved
itself stronger than its older brother SMB3) and SM64 (whose raw X-Stat
number in '04 is stuck behind OoT SFF, but has looked strong in the
other two Games Contests) being the two outliers. FFVI is admittedly the pre-2006 Sonic of this Noble Nine--winless against the rest of the Nine, but never lost to an outsider and has kept it respectable. Mostly it's just lost to ALttP and FFVII, eventually losing to both of them plus SM64 in the fourway contest. "Someday I'll catch up, and then you'll all be surprised!" BKSheikah has the power. He is the one. (edited 11/27/2018 7:57:25 PM) |
SwiftyDC posted... I think Cloud looks fine here. Alucard got out of a division over Red, Sora, and Big f***in' Boss. And Netflix. This isn't a bad performance for Cloud, he looks fine here. Alucard got all the way to this point, show the man some respect and believe he's not some sort of fodder. Crono is really impressive though. I will never understand his staying power given his complete absence in modern day gaming culture. :> Truly smilin' |
TsunamiXXVIII posted... Yeah, I figured FFX was probably the most debatable one. ...Oh, right, MM was the one that beat it, not Brawl. Okay, yeah, take FFX out and put SMB3 in; that works better with the 2004 X-Stats anyway. That puts all of the top 7 in the raw x-stats into the Noble Nine, with SMW (which proved itself stronger than its older brother SMB3) and SM64 (whose raw X-Stat number in '04 is stuck behind OoT SFF, but has looked strong in the other two Games Contests) being the two outliers. You’re forgetting Pokemon RBY. Which would best both FFX and 6 handily. Also yeah MM won but Brawl would have beaten FFX too. And thank f***ing God FFX lost to MM because having Brawl be a GOTG winner would have been embarrassing for this site. Imagine having a GOTG winner not even be nominated for the following games contest. |
60 on alucard and 55 on Bowser seem fairly comparable. Cloud will probably win anyways but i can see Crono keeping it really close, maybe even leading for a few hours. |
For games, I'd say there's really a "big 5" OoT, FFVII, CT, RBY and ALttP. The only point I can see the "big 5" losing to outside competition is RBY during the Pokemon antivoted days and CT during the 09 stretch. congrats to BKSheikah the BYIG guru (edited 11/27/2018 8:00:33 PM) |
Also
speaking of Chrono Trigger, we've now got a lot more information on how
registered users vote compared to unregistered users. Registered user result: Chrono Trigger vs. Smash Bros. Melee: 63.28% / 36.72% Without rallies, Chrono Trigger really does seem like it would have gotten 64-65%. That's in line with the result it got on FF10 which is normally close to equal to unrallied SSBM. Registered user result: Smash Bros. Melee vs. Final Fantasy VII: 42.92% / 57.08% FF7 should also be given a few percentage points here but it would still be solidly behind Chrono Trigger. Chrono Trigger is a beast. This was not the best year for my bracket. Congrats to BK_Sheikah00 for winning the BYIG Guru Contest! |
I'll
be rooting for Alucard over Bowser (though being from one of the oldest
running franchises is probably too big to overcome). Dilated Chemist (edited 11/27/2018 8:00:14 PM) |
bwburke94 posted... There's no need for excuses anymore. Mega Man lost outright. Mega Man had more votes though Virgin |
Team Rocket Elite posted... Also speaking of Chrono Trigger, we've now got a lot more information on how registered users vote compared to unregistered users. Legit #2 game even. But I doubt it would have gotten that much on melee now. Only because smash is out and Melee is one of those games that gets stronger as time goes on. Rally or not. Melee having that much rallly power was scary for a non bandwagon joke game like undertale. External non registered users had much less significance back then even without rallies. Although I would hesitate to put it above lttp in a 1v1. Undertale really f***ing ruined everything did it. We could have had an amazing contest where CT bravely bows out to Oot in the final and restores some pride. But no. |
SexThaNemesis posted... bwburke94 posted...There's no need for excuses anymore. Mega Man lost outright. Not from registered users it didn’t. And that’s a damning statistic. And according to Black turtle. Pikachu got rallied. Even though it lost non registered votes. So the definitive way to say someone lose with no rallies at all is registered votes |
did anyone own up to making this last-minute Pikachu rally? https://old.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/a0zrk3/pikachu_is_within_ten_votes_of_mega_man_in_the/ drooling while eating |
Dammit,
even with Pokemon/Nintendo being on the rise still trusted Mega Man.
Like me in my current playthrough of Legacy Collection, a Yellow Devil
downed him. Well, Link will give the rat its just desserts! (and hope MM
can take on Ganon) And even if CT did well in 2015, didn't expect Crono going well. And I prefer Bowser anyway. Still, let's see what happens once the board vote ends. ALL HAIL! King of the losers! |
igordebraga posted... Dammit, even with Pokemon/Nintendo being on the rise still trusted Mega Man. Like me in my current playthrough of Legacy Collection, a Yellow Devil downed him. Well, Link will give the rat its just desserts! (and hope MM can take on Ganon) Bowser will gain some % overnight most likely but will still lose by well over 1000 votes. This one isn’t close and won’t be close. |
Yuri_LowelI posted... SexThaNemesis posted...bwburke94 posted...show hidden quote(s)There's no need for excuses anymore. Mega Man lost outright. uh |
For
what it's worth about Mega Man losing to a non-Noble Niner, Mega Man
was the only Noble Niner who DIDN'T lose to a non-Noble Niner in the
2013 contest. In that respect, after all the Pokemon he managed to defeat in 2013's contest, perhaps his time was due to be first this contest. Nominate METAL MAN for 20XX! https://imgur.com/Dr4NAeq |
Yuri_LowelI posted... TsunamiXXVIII posted...Yeah, I figured FFX was probably the most debatable one. ...Oh, right, MM was the one that beat it, not Brawl. Okay, yeah, take FFX out and put SMB3 in; that works better with the 2004 X-Stats anyway. That puts all of the top 7 in the raw x-stats into the Noble Nine, with SMW (which proved itself stronger than its older brother SMB3) and SM64 (whose raw X-Stat number in '04 is stuck behind OoT SFF, but has looked strong in the other two Games Contests) being the two outliers. I mentioned RBY! I mentioned it in my initial post when I was trying to justify SMB3 being absent initially! RBY was absent from the 2004 field completely, ergo it's not eligible for Noble Nine status. I distinctly remember this being used as an argument for not expanding the Noble Nine when Crono first lost to Vincent, and again when he lost the first 1v1 against Missingno. I don't deny that it's stronger than many of my hypothetical Noble Nine; it even beat one of them! I mean, take away the requirement of having been in every contest that they're eligible for, and I probably take out both SMB3 and SMW in favor of Majora's Mask and RBY. The former did prove its worth in BGE3 by nearly upending ALttP, after all. Ocarina of Time Super Smash Bros. Melee Final Fantasy VII Final Fantasy VI Super Mario 64 A Link to the Past Majora's Mask Chrono Trigger Pokémon Red/Blue/Yellow Seems legit. Ish. Brawl did beat Melee, and MGS1 beat out Majora's Mask and RBY in fourways (though RBY avenged the loss the next round once it was free of LFF from GSC). So we definitely have to excuse LOL4ways again, because MGS lost to MGS3, which then lost the next round to SMRPG, which in the fourway contest lost to Goldeneye. Which lost in BGE3 to Skyrim, a game that wasn't even eligible for GotD because it'll be eligible for the next GotD. Well, whatever. Still seems legit. "Someday I'll catch up, and then you'll all be surprised!" BKSheikah has the power. He is the one. |
Crono by the hour: 20:00 | 53.60% 21:00 | 54.73% 22:00 | 56.84% 23:00 | 57.16% September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! |
As a big fan of Crono in these contests I am glad to see him putting up a good performance. Sir Chris |
squexa posted... For games, I'd say there's really a "big 5" OoT, FFVII, CT, RBY and ALttP. I would definitely at least argue for a big 6 with the addition of SM64. RBY-SM64, had it happened, was supposed to be a debated match, and while the Guru says that FFVII was the "favorite" to defeat the winner the next round, it had more brackets picking it to lose than to win, with RBY heavily favored and SM64 technically an underdog against FFVII particularly, but overall favored among brackets picking it to reach that match. Also, it beat CT. Twice. One of them with a second Mario game in the poll. "Someday I'll catch up, and then you'll all be surprised!" BKSheikah has the power. He is the one. |
TsunamiXXVIII posted... Yuri_LowelI posted...TsunamiXXVIII posted...show hidden quote(s)Yeah, I figured FFX was probably the most debatable one. ...Oh, right, MM was the one that beat it, not Brawl. Okay, yeah, take FFX out and put SMB3 in; that works better with the 2004 X-Stats anyway. That puts all of the top 7 in the raw x-stats into the Noble Nine, with SMW (which proved itself stronger than its older brother SMB3) and SM64 (whose raw X-Stat number in '04 is stuck behind OoT SFF, but has looked strong in the other two Games Contests) being the two outliers. Majora mask wouldnt be in the top 9 though. Even though it deserves to be on contest win. It would lose to a lot of games not on that list. I think remove MM and put SMW in and you have a decent list. |
TsunamiXXVIII posted... Haste_2 posted...Yeah, for CT being the monster it was in the last contest, I was hoping Crono would do a little better. Still not a bad showing if he can win with 55%. That probably puts him above Mega Man and Pikachu at least, assuming that Bowser is stronger than Yoshi. We don't have to make a Noble Nine. The point of the Noble Nine wasn't just that they're the strongest characters ever. It's that they had never been beaten by any outside the group, but who all at least transitively beat each. That's actually a heck of a stat (especially considering there were nine of them). I don't think we'd have that for games. It just wouldn't happen. As an aside, to comment on yesterday's match, I think Pikachu is just so much stronger now than before. I don't think even the bottom NNers have fallen back to the field that much. I think this is all Pikachu closing the gap. Raytan7585 is better than me at redditFAQs (edited 11/27/2018 8:34:39 PM) |
Cloud/Alucard is my toughest vote of the contest. Still haven't decided and Crono's getting impatient waiting for his. Yoblazer https://imgur.com/gByqgPg |
Yuri_LowelI posted... TsunamiXXVIII posted...Yuri_LowelI posted...show hidden quote(s)TsunamiXXVIII posted...Yeah, I figured FFX was probably the most debatable one. ...Oh, right, MM was the one that beat it, not Brawl. Okay, yeah, take FFX out and put SMB3 in; that works better with the 2004 X-Stats anyway. That puts all of the top 7 in the raw x-stats into the Noble Nine, with SMW (which proved itself stronger than its older brother SMB3) and SM64 (whose raw X-Stat number in '04 is stuck behind OoT SFF, but has looked strong in the other two Games Contests) being the two outliers. 2015 seems to say otherwise. Getting 47.61% on an elite from your own franchise suggests that you're ahead of most outside competition! Or are we all just forgetting that Majora's Mask put up 47.61% on A Link to the Past and actually led for the first 6.75 hours? Because that is still a thing that happened. "Someday I'll catch up, and then you'll all be surprised!" BKSheikah has the power. He is the one. |
Ocarina of Time Chrono Trigger Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow Final Fantasy VII A Link to the Past Super Mario 64 I'd agree with a top 6. If we expand it to 10..... Super Smash Bros. Melee Majora's Mask Final Fantasy X Super Smash Bros. Brawl September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! |
XIII_rocks posted... Yeah Pokemon boosted wildly in part because it seemd to become cool again right around the turn of the decade, probably peaking with the release of BW or maybe BW2? Pikachu in 2007/2008 still appeared to be stronger than in 2002/2003. I think Pokemon started to recover from the dark days of 2002-2005 at some point in 2006. During the Series Contest, Pokemon lost a somewhat close match to Metroid. That might have been a sign of Pokemon finally starting to emerge from the dark days when it was very hated. The Series Contest happened a few months before the release of Diamond/Pearl in Japan (and a few months later in the West). I believe it was the release of Diamond/Pearl that gave Pokemon the jumpstart it needed to finally put those dark days behind it, though Pokemon's full power would take a few years to build up. UltimaterializerX posted... The best 3 day stretch we've ever had, and nothing will ever top this, is the Samus > Sonic 1500 vote comeback in the last 3 hours, the Seph > Mega Man 700 vote comeback once the day vote hit (Mega Man used to have a good night vote, truly), and the 500 vote Mario > Cloud rally all happening back to back to back. There were over 200 pages of topics at 50 topics per page by the end of Mario/Cloud, and all of it was contest related. Nothing like the urine dribble you see now. Over 10000 topics on Board 8 back in the 2002 contest? That's pretty hard to believe given that we never came close to 10000 topics on Board 8 during the 2007 L-Block run when we had much higher site traffic compared to 2002. Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BK_Sheikah00, Guru Champ! |
LusterSoldier posted... XIII_rocks posted...Yeah Pokemon boosted wildly in part because it seemd to become cool again right around the turn of the decade, probably peaking with the release of BW or maybe BW2? I believe it. Probably, the number of posts per topic in 2002 was substantially lower. Remember, we only went through 3 stats topics that whole contest - it was more or less reserved for serious stats discussion while contest discussion was spread through the entire board. September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! |
LusterSoldier posted... XIII_rocks posted...Yeah Pokemon boosted wildly in part because it seemd to become cool again right around the turn of the decade, probably peaking with the release of BW or maybe BW2? There were more suicide topics those 3 days then we have topics period in a month now. Also 2/3 of those were BLATANT cheating. Hence why there were so many topics. |
Samus cheated no doubt, but Mario didn't. There was no rule against rallying. Never has been. Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best Game Ever" Contest http://www.twitch.tv/ultimaterializerx ; https://imgur.com/dsnL40n |
Yeah, Mario only cheats when he's facing Crono. ...I kid. Mario never cheated against Crono. He didn't have to; the "referee", as it were, was fixing the matches. "Someday I'll catch up, and then you'll all be surprised!" BKSheikah has the power. He is the one. |
UltimaterializerX posted... Samus cheated no doubt, but Mario didn't. There was no rule against rallying. Never has been. Rallying isn’t cheating... Vote stuffing is. And being that DAYS later we know 100% he did against Crono, and that he and his games would continue to do so for years, I’m suspicious to put mildy he beat Cloud clean... when he just doesn’t win clean |
I
stand by my conspiracy theory that Crono is the best vote stuffing
fanbase ever, and his lull in the mid-late 2000s was due to the
anti-cheating measures put in. I guess the last few contests they've just found ways to get back around them because Allen doesn't care any more! |
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