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ZeldaTPLink posted... Like MM seems like a strong candidate for weakest N9er right now. Sonic imo still is. But it’s between these two. |
charmander6000 posted... Mega Man SFFing Yoshi proves nothing It proves he can SFF the dude Pikachu couldn't really freakin hard when firing on all cylinders. If he was as strong as normal he should be able to SFF Pikachu too. Pokemon isn't immune to SFF. No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
There
are probably some inter-N9 sureties (I can't imagine Mario losing to
Sonic/Mega Man/Samus, for example), but apart from that, we may be near a
point where everyone not named Link can lose to some beefed up entrant
outside the N9. After seeing today's results, even someone staunchly in
Snake's corner must admit that Zelda at least has a chance... and if she
upends Snake, what makes the non-Nintendo N9 safe? Yoblazer https://imgur.com/gByqgPg |
Yuri_LowelI posted... ZeldaTPLink posted...Like MM seems like a strong candidate for weakest N9er right now. Sonic could have a boost due to recent series ressurgence. Other Sonic chars have pointed to that. Right now I could see Sonic beating Snake and not be very surprised. |
For
the record, 2013 Mega Man is projected to do worse on 2013
Scorpion/Zero than Pikachu got. And 2013 MM is like #6 overall in those
stats. Pikachu has been beastly this year. Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Both
of these characters had new games that recently released, but I feel
pretty sure the Let's Go-Pokemon games bring more people here than Mega
Man 11 and we have seen new Pokemon releases help Pokemon in the past.
Mega Man could have dropped, but I'm not ready to say that's more likely
than Pikachu boosting. Also as a sidenote with estimations, if Mega Man >= MMX and Luigi >= Yoshi, Pikachu is still expected to be even with Mega Man or even favored to win this match. In hindsight, this probably should have been predicted better after having just seen Pikachu > Yoshi and Tifa > Luigi. Nominate METAL MAN for 20XX! https://imgur.com/Dr4NAeq |
Lopen posted... charmander6000 posted...Mega Man SFFing Yoshi proves nothing Actually it is. More so than others. Also MM and Pokemon isn’t exactly SFF is it. Pokemon came about in the late 90’s which wasn’t part of the SNES generation to which MM gets 95% of his popularity from. I hate when people keep labelling things SFF for no reason. Everything has some form of SFF. You can be a fan of ffvii and Zelda and it will be Sff to some degree. Pokemon has its own fan base. Yes it’s nine do dominant but it’s not a Nintendo console dominant franchise. It’s a handheld one. Many people who don’t care about Nintendo consoles still bought Nintendo handhelds. The game boy advance sold a lot more than the n64 and cube combined. |
CaptainOfCrush posted... There are probably some inter-N9 sureties (I can't imagine Mario losing to Sonic/Mega Man/Samus, for example), but apart from that, we may be near a point where everyone not named Link can lose to some beefed up entrant outside the N9. After seeing today's results, even someone staunchly in Snake's corner must admit that Zelda at least has a chance... and if she upends Snake, what makes the non-Nintendo N9 safe? On this note: Zelda should be called the legitimate favorite against Sonic after today. Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
HaRRicH posted... Mega Man >= MMX This is where we disagree. (It should be a straight > symbol no >= there) No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! (edited 11/27/2018 10:02:55 AM) |
ZeldaTPLink posted... Yuri_LowelI posted...ZeldaTPLink posted...show hidden quote(s)Like MM seems like a strong candidate for weakest N9er right now. I would be. And the thought of that is depressing so let’s not entertain that thought. |
Pikachu by the hour: time | percent | gain/loss | lead/deficit 20:00 | 49.16% | -58 | -58 21:00 | 48.83% | -59 | -117 22:00 | 48.58% | -57 | -174 23:00 | 48.93% | -36 | -210 00:00 | 49.74% | -8 | -218 01:00 | 52.60% | +77 | -141 02:00 | 50.47% | +15 | -126 03:00 | 56.42% | +120 | -6 04:00 | 52.16% | +35 | +29 05:00 | 50.07% | +1 | +30 06:00 | 51.98% | +28 | +58 07:00 | 52.99% | +45 | +103 08:00 | 47.44% | -47 | +56 09:00 | 47.53% | -47 | +9 10:00 | 48.66% | -29 | -20 11:00 | 48.28% | -37 | -57 12:00 | 48.06% | -42 | -99 13:00 | 47.76% | -40 | -139 |
I
can't help but wonder if Crono is going to beat Bowser worse than he
did in 2006. Bowser is probably as strong as he's ever been, but Frog
and possibly Magus have looked as strong as they've ever been, too
(excluding the two fraudulent performances). "Ah,
a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So... what is
a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
Lopen posted... charmander6000 posted...Mega Man SFFing Yoshi proves nothing When was Pokemon SFF'd? It's well known that Pokemon avoids SFF quite well. CBX - Today's Winners: Link and Mega Man Score: 196/256 |
"SFF" should join "fraud" as a word that needs to be used less. |
CaptainOfCrush posted... There are probably some inter-N9 sureties (I can't imagine Mario losing to Sonic/Mega Man/Samus, for example), but apart from that, we may be near a point where everyone not named Link can lose to some beefed up entrant outside the N9. After seeing today's results, even someone staunchly in Snake's corner must admit that Zelda at least has a chance... and if she upends Snake, what makes the non-Nintendo N9 safe? Unless Snake has dropped a ton, he should still be safe from Zelda. Sonic on the other hand is susceptible to Zelda in losers IMO. I think in 1v1 24 hours Link/Mario/Samus/Snake/Cloud are not losing outside of the N9. LeBron "Stannis" James - The one true king of the NBA |
ZeldaTPLink posted... "SFF" should join "fraud" as a word that needs to be used less. Same Fraud Factor "That's Engarde hairflip metal detector tier btw" -XIII_rocks |
Pokemon
avoids being SFFed by avoiding the guys that can do it to them and by
having weird ass momentum/rallies when they can be in the case of
Charizard and Mewtwo. Compare Pikachu's runs in 2007 and 2008 before and after he meets Nintendo characters and watch him tumble to the bottom of the pecking order pretty hard despite outperforming others like Luigi in that contest. Saying Pikachu is immune is incorrect. No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Actually, yeah, let's get all lol x-stats for a sec. 2018 Pikachu vs. 2018 Scorpion: 66.41% Mega Man (2013c) has a strength of 41.83 against Base Link. Scorpion (2013c) has a strength of 28.71 against Base Link. Mega Man wins with 65.68% of the vote! 2018 Pikachu vs. 2018 Yoshi: 54.8% Mega Man (2013c) has a strength of 41.83 against Base Link. Yoshi (2013c) has a strength of 36.58 against Base Link. Mega Man wins with 56.28% of the vote! 2018 Pikachu vs. 2018 Zero: 56.56% Mega Man (2013c) has a strength of 41.83 against Base Link. Zero (2013c) has a strength of 36.55 against Base Link. Mega Man wins with 56.31% of the vote! That's not a weak Mega Man iteration either. He's ranked #5 overall. There is no existing stats that suggests Mega Man was going to walk all over Pikachu unless you were counting on SFF. Pikachu is strong. Very strong. We still have the mental block of the Noble 9 being king, but they have competition these days. Speaking of which: 2018 Zelda vs 2018 Aeris: 62.19% Sonic (2013c) has a strength of 41.30 against Base Link. Aeris (2013c) has a strength of 31.01 against Base Link. Sonic wins with 62.46% of the vote! Good luck, Sonic. Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Lopen posted... Pokemon avoids being SFFed by avoiding the guys that can do it to them and by having weird ass momentum/rallies when they can be in the case of Charizard and Mewtwo. Pikachu was much weaker than he was in 2007/8 than he is now. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2906-division-6-round-2-pikachu-tidus-leon-vivi https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3283-division-4-round-2-alucard-falcon-pikachu-arthas Neither of those are "I'm gonna go ahead and challenge a Noble Nine" level. Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Yeah
Pokemon boosted wildly in part because it seemd to become cool again
right around the turn of the decade, probably peaking with the release
of BW or maybe BW2? Pokemon wasn't "cool again" in 2008 imo Not to be confused with XIII_Stones. |
Here's one last one: 2018 Zelda vs. 2018 Ramza: 73.94% Sonic (2013c) has a strength of 41.30 against Base Link. Ramza (2013c) has a strength of 23.40 against Base Link. Sonic wins with 71.67% of the vote! Good luck, Sonic. Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
I'm
not saying he was at this level then. I am saying that Pikachu wasn't
weak then and he got stomped into the dirt by guys like Luigi who looked
on par with him then. I'm saying the idea that Pokemon can't be SFFed is a myth. It just gets artificial boosts to mask those situations and soft Nintendo paths. There have been instances of it occurring even after Pokemon became relevant on this site though. No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Pikachu
only looked on par with Luigi that year in the match against Leon/Dante
that was a 'sprite' round, where they got these super-zoomed versions
of ugly 3D renders while Pikachu got a nostalgic Pokemon R/B/Y sprite.
Every other match he looked much weaker. Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Seriously: http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb6/cb6-54.jpg One of the best pic imbalances we have ever had, in any match. Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
KamikazePotato posted... Seriously: Hahahahahaha what the f*** Sprite rounds were a mistake 3DS FC : 3411-1762-0066 |
Lopen posted... Pokemon avoids being SFFed by avoiding the guys that can do it to them and by having weird ass momentum/rallies when they can be in the case of Charizard and Mewtwo. I think you are confusing SFF with LFF. Pikachu got 44.13% against Luigi and 37.49% against Samus, that's hardly SFF. CBX - Today's Winners: Link and Mega Man Score: 196/256 |
KamikazePotato posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2906-division-6-round-2-pikachu-tidus-leon-vivi Dang, look at Pikachu beating Vivi and Tidus worse than Ganondorf could! And then he disrupted the Plan that next year too, wow! Nominate METAL MAN for 20XX! https://imgur.com/Dr4NAeq |
ZeldaTPLink posted... "SFF" should join "fraud" as a word that needs to be used less. It's too broad It can apply to characters from the same game, same series, same company, same f***ing console It isn't wrong by definition...it's just too broad 3DS FC : 3411-1762-0066 |
KamikazePotato posted... Here's one last one: Get crushed sonic I want these Final Fantasy protagonists to be my pallbearers so that they can let me down one last ****ing time - TheCodeIsBosco |
Nanis23 posted... ZeldaTPLink posted..."SFF" should join "fraud" as a word that needs to be used less. This issue is that people forget the "disproportionate" part of SFF. CBX - Today's Winners: Link and Mega Man Score: 196/256 |
charmander6000 posted... SFF with LFF. Pikachu got 44.13% against Luigi and 37.49% against Samus, that's hardly SFF. 37% on Samus absolutely is when he got like 46% on Crono the round before. Pikachu was actually strong in 2008. 2007, I'll admit maybe a bit mixed and skewed from the sprite round but yeah. No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Also, we're missing the real important news today: Epona could maybe break the Noble Nine. Never forget that Pikachu only barely beat Ike worse than Epona did. Nominate METAL MAN for 20XX! https://imgur.com/Dr4NAeq |
Yuri_LowelI posted... The_Ctes posted...And to think we'll likely get a rematch of this. I pointed this out as soon as the bracket was released! CaptainOfCrush posted... I guess... it closely ties to "worldwide" gaming popularity for Pikachu to be a Top 5-level character. It's just still weird to see it on the site given where he started from. Doesn't seem weird at all. When things started, Pokémon wasn't "nostalgic" yet. The games hadn't even been out for 4 years in the U.S. Gen III was released between the two contests where Pikachu was fodder. But since then, nostalgia has taken over, and Nintendo has fostered that by repeatedly remaking old games and by releasing earlier generations first in Pokémon Go. (Actually, appealing to nostalgia has frequently been Nintendo's main strategy. The New Super Mario Bros. series; ALBW and BotW; FE:A; even the announcement that Smash Ultimate would bring back every character that had been in a previous Smash game. Nintendo loves to cater to its loyal longtime fans. "Someday I'll catch up, and then you'll all be surprised!" BKSheikah has the power. He is the one. |
If
you were around in the days when Pokemon was getting its ass kicked by
Xenogears, then yes, this turnaround would look at least a little
jarring. Yoblazer https://imgur.com/gByqgPg |
charmander6000 posted... Lopen posted...Pokemon avoids being SFFed by avoiding the guys that can do it to them and by having weird ass momentum/rallies when they can be in the case of Charizard and Mewtwo. Yeah, if anything, that's rSFF. Well, based on that era, anyway; with how much Pokémon seems to keep boosting, I wouldn't be surprised if Pikachu is legitimately stronger than Luigi by now. "Someday I'll catch up, and then you'll all be surprised!" BKSheikah has the power. He is the one. |
Lopen posted... charmander6000 posted...SFF with LFF. Pikachu got 44.13% against Luigi and 37.49% against Samus, that's hardly SFF. I don't see much of an issue with that. Crono was kind of weak, he let Zero get 47% in 2007 and given that he went even with Vincent in both years, it's doubtful his strength was much different between the two. Heck Link still broke 60% on Crono despite both Mario and Samus being in the poll. CBX - Today's Winners: Link and Mega Man Score: 196/256 |
CaptainOfCrush posted... If you were around in the days when Pokemon was getting its ass kicked by Xenogears, then yes, this turnaround would look at least a little jarring. If it were a sudden turnaround, I agree. But it wasn't. Pokémon has been consistently building in strength. (Also, that was GSC that lost to Xenogears. We've had plenty of evidence that nothing post-RBY comes close to RBY and the original 151 in strength.) "Someday I'll catch up, and then you'll all be surprised!" BKSheikah has the power. He is the one. |
The death of FF, MGS, and Sonic as franchises means this contest is going to become NintendoFAQs. Pikachu > Megaman in the rematch Bowser > Crono Zelda > Sonic Mario > Seph Samus > Cloud Link will never be threatened again as non-Nintendo competition disappears. (edited 11/27/2018 10:58:15 AM) |
trogita posted... The death of FF, MGS, and Sonic as franchises means this contest is going to become NintendoFAQs. Link hasn't been threatened by anything other than absurdly massive rallies since 2004. https://imgur.com/M1heX2g RIP Paul Bearer. Ohhhh nooooo. :( |
Crono is technically Nintendo. Not that he needs to be to beat Bowser anyway. |
Pikachu by the hour: time | percent | gain/loss | lead/deficit 14:00 | 49.75% | -4 | -143 Pikachu stalled that hour. |
Ganondorf struggling for his life to keep this above 20% You felt your sins weighing down on your neck. |
trogita posted... The death of FF, MGS, and Sonic as franchises means this contest is going to become NintendoFAQs. Aerith and Tifa called, they asked you to look at all the results before making generalizations. |
We need only the FF 7 remake now! Or are they in KH 3 too? So why we exist? What happens when we stop existing? |
Safer_777 posted... We need only the FF 7 remake now! Or are they in KH 3 too? Kingdom Hearts 3? Isn't that just an Urban Legend? Best wishes. |
It's so easy to call someone an idiot after the result of a match. I'd like to see people have the balls to do that before the match. |
Rexxar500 posted... Safer_777 posted...We need only the FF 7 remake now! Or are they in KH 3 too? Hopefully I want these Final Fantasy protagonists to be my pallbearers so that they can let me down one last ****ing time - TheCodeIsBosco |
The
distinction a lot of people, usually idiots, don't make, is there are
reasons to be wrong other than being an idiot. There are plenty of
matches that were thought to be debatable that didn't end up close, or
matches that weren't thought to be close that did end up close, but they
had reasons to go for what didn't happen. Like if you called Squall vs
Zelda as a narrow win for Squall that doesn't make you an idiot that
just means things have changed this year. Same is true of Mega Man vs
Pikachu here. No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Everyone is a genius after they're certain they're right. Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
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