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LeonhartFour posted... charmander6000 posted...So what if the SNES easily wins the contest, the only thing stopping Link from winning this contest was rallies. The issue with the years contest was more than just 1998 dominating. We just didn't have a lot of attachment to years, especially since many of us don't play games right when they are released. It also didn't help that most of the bracket was predictable. Consoles on the other hand people have deep feelings for. In a 32 entrant contest the SNES is only in 5/31 matches. In my bracket I feel there are enough exciting match-ups that will cause debates. CBX - Today's Winners: Link and Mega Man Score: 196/256 |
I guess I'm the person who never cared about the console wars. I've always thought a console contest would be terrible. |
I'd probably take Gamecube > NES. As much as people laugh about how old and nostalgia-fuelled this site's voting is, the NES is probably a little too old even for a lot of people here. I don't think this site cares enough about the short action titles that were the NES's bread and butter (though NES Mega Man and a few others might be worth a little more than in 2009 due to demographic shifts), the Gamecube's small RPG library that includes a few high quality titles is still worth vastly more to people here than the NES's RPGs, I don't think people care much about NES Metroid at this point, original Zelda always gets buried in favorite Zelda polls (to say nothing of Zelda II), and even Mario 3's seemed to continue to lose ground to Mario World over years. There is just very little in that library to give me confidence in it against decent competition. [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] [NO BKSheikah NO PEACE] |
I have a feeling consoles will be mega predictable. And that will be a problem. I'd still be up for Villains 2 though. |
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Psh I almost don't even care about characters. Games should be the annual contest |
I'm sure we all wish for that. "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil |
pjbasis posted... Psh I almost don't even care about characters. Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best Game Ever" Contest http://www.twitch.tv/ultimaterializerx ; https://imgur.com/dsnL40n |
For consoles I like the idea of running it once to just get that data. I didn't have a philosophical problem with years, it was just not good to have in the middle of a drought. |
pjbasis posted... Psh I almost don't even care about characters. no thanks |
Just 3 days without matches and it already feels like offseason ITT :| 3DS FC : 3411-1762-0066 |
I
made a bracket based on the X-Stats with the assumption that all the
division winners are equal. If you find yourself picking lower seeds to
win, it might be a good indication that you think one division winner is
stronger than the other (or there's an overperformance somewhere) Division 1 (1) Ganondorf (16) Victor Sullivan (8) Scorpion (9) Revolver Ocelot (5) Rosalina (12) King K. Rool (4) Zero (13) Cuphead (6) Leon Kennedy (11) Joker/Ren Amamiya (3) Yoshi (14) Shantae (7) Kratos (10) Claire Redfield (2) Mega Man X (15) Joel Division 2 (1) Pikachu (16) Cayde-6 (8) Zidane Tribal (9) GlaDOS (5) Chun-Li (12) Nathan Drake (4) Sub-Zero (13) Ezio Auditore da Firenze (6) Ridley (11) Master Hand (3) Simon Belmont (14) Noctis Lucis Caelum (7) Shadow the Hedgehog (10) Phoenix Wright (2) Luigi (15) Neku Sakuraba Division 3 (1) Alucard (16) Hat Kid (8) Jill Valentine (9) King Dedede (5) Terra Branford (12) Kazuma Kiryu (4) Donkey Kong (13) Monika (6) Cecil Harvey (11) Geno (3) Vincent Valentine (14) Neptune (7) Spyro the Dragon (10) Ike (2) Vivi (15) James Sunderland Division 4 (1) Bowser (16) Monokuma (8) Riku (9) Captain Toad (5) Kefka (12) Metal Sonic (4) Princess Peach (13) Yu Narukami (6) Knuckles the Echidna (11) Commander Shepard (3) Big Boss (14) Gordon Freeman (7) Fox McCloud (10) Shovel Knight (2) Geralt (15) D. Va Division 5 (1) Zelda (16) Quiet (8) Bomberman (9) Lightning (5) Yuna (12) Ellie (4) Magus (13) Dragonborn (6) Aerith Gainsborough (11) Velvet Crowe (3) Pac-Man (14) Primrose (7) Captain Falcon (10) Ryo Hazuki (2) Pokemon Trainer Red (15) John Marston Division 6 (1) Auron (16) Goro Majima (8) Shulk (9) Albert Wesker (5) Ryu (12) Sans (4) Mewtwo (13) Aqua (6) Frog (11) Garrus Vakarian (3) Ryu Hayabusa (14) Metal Man (7) Lara Croft (10) Richter Belmont (2) Kirby (15) Estelle Bright Division 7 (1) Tifa Lockhart (16) Chloe Price (8) L-Block (9) Miles “Tails” Prower (5) Ness (12) Chris Redfield (4) 2B (13) Aya Brea (6) Tidus (11) Master Chief (3) Dante (14) Godot (7) Lucina (10) KOS-MOS (2) Bayonetta (15) Isabelle Division 8 (1) Sephiroth (16) Draven (8) Waluigi (9) The Boss (5) Amaterasu (12) Lloyd Irving (4) Crash Bandicoot (13) Guile (6) Squall Leonhart (11) Ramza Beoulve (3) Charizard (14) Miles Edgeworth (7) Wario (10) Isaac (2) Sora (15) Aloy |
LeonhartFour posted... (6) Cecil Harvey how generous, finally giving Geno a win "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." |
Seed upsets I would take - (8) Zidane Tribal (9) GlaDOS (7) Shadow the Hedgehog (10) Phoenix Wright (8) Jill Valentine (9) King Dedede (7) Spyro the Dragon (10) Ike (8) Bomberman (9) Lightning (7) Lara Croft (10) Richter Belmont (8) L-Block (9) Miles “Tails” Prower (7) Lucina (10) KOS-MOS (7) Wario (10) Isaac The Boss - Waluigi sounds like a scary match tbh 3DS FC : 3411-1762-0066 |
hombad46 posted... Nomination rally for the Virtual Boy Nominations wouldn't be necessary for a console contest because the bracket will probably be limited to just 32 of them. We had no nominations for the Years contest. Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BK_Sheikah00, Guru Champ! |
There are much more than 32 consoles, Luster CBX - Today's Winners: Link and Mega Man Score: 196/256 |
charmander6000 posted... There are much more than 32 consoles, Luster There may be more than that, but none of them are really worth a damn. If you want to give other people at least some say in what consoles make the bracket, you could have 28 consoles already pre-chosen for the bracket and run a vote-in poll of 12 consoles to decide the final 4 spots. Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BK_Sheikah00, Guru Champ! |
LeonhartFour posted... pjbasis posted...Psh I almost don't even care about characters. Yeah, I care more about the games too, but I feel like Games are likely too static to do yearly. Agent Triple Zero at your service! This line reserved for the true greatone, the 2018 Guru Contest winner. http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=40 |
_SecretSquirrel posted... Yeah, I care more about the games too, but I feel like Games are likely too static to do yearly. Same. I think people have more rigid game preferences and are less likely to get crazy with their voting just to see funny results. Yoblazer https://imgur.com/gByqgPg |
By the time the next contest rolls around, it will probably have been five years again since the last one. September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! |
You
could do a games contest every year, but in order to keep it fresh
you'd have to have brand-new entrants every time. I'm not sure what kind
of restrictions Allen could put on the contest to make it that way,
though... Come watch me on Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/gameryogi |
We'll
see. The Years contest went quite smooth for SBAllen (little
drama/stress), and we got the next one less than 18 months later. I feel
like this one is sailing even smoother, so who knows. We might get
contests with more regularity provided they don't burn the guy out. Yoblazer https://imgur.com/gByqgPg |
These
contests are incredibly easy to run when you don’t allow cheating. All
Allen has to do is provide consequences to people who try breaking the
site, unlike last time. |
Allen did say that we would get contests more often, as stated in this topic: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/6-gamefaqs-announcements/76238326 I just don't know if he will be able to honor those words he said. After this contest, I have no idea if there will even be a contest in 2019 with another Game of the Decade coming soon (probably in 2020). If there is going to be a contest in 2019, we'd either end up with some mini-contest or maybe another Character Battle to hold us over until then. Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BK_Sheikah00, Guru Champ! |
I think this contest shows Character Battles actually benefit from not happening every year. The stats are crazy. I mean Link Always Wins but good luck about ranking anyone else in the Top 10. 2-3 years between each one is probably a good gap, with different contests in the meantime. (edited 11/21/2018 4:10:23 PM) |
Nanis23 posted... The Boss - Waluigi sounds like a scary match tbh With what we've seen this year I'd begrudgingly take Waluigi Courage is the magic that turns dreams into reality. |
ZeldaTPLink posted... I think this contest shows Character Battles actually benefit from not happening every year. The stats are crazy. Vote totals for this contest (not counting registered user bonus) are slightly less than half of what they were in the 2013 contest. It's going to be pretty hard for our vote totals to drop even farther, so we'll probably not see much of a shift in character strengths at this point. The only thing that could really cause a large shift in character strengths would be if our vote totals started going back up again, but that will come with a major shift in the age demographics (average age starts decreasing again and we have more younger voters). Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BK_Sheikah00, Guru Champ! |
LusterSoldier posted... ZeldaTPLink posted...I think this contest shows Character Battles actually benefit from not happening every year. The stats are crazy. I feel like you've been saying that for years but it somehow keeps happening! |
Big Bob posted... You could do a games contest every year, but in order to keep it fresh you'd have to have brand-new entrants every time. I'm not sure what kind of restrictions Allen could put on the contest to make it that way, though... We could do two Decade contests. One for the 90s and one for 2010-19. Then the next one could be all Games and there would be lots of time passed. Agent Triple Zero at your service! This line reserved for the true greatone, the 2018 Guru Contest winner. http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=40 |
LusterSoldier posted... ZeldaTPLink posted...I think this contest shows Character Battles actually benefit from not happening every year. The stats are crazy. Pretty much. We should get the cleanest stats ever this contest thanks to double elimination, which should conclusively answer many longstanding questions. There's not much point in running another 1 v 1 traditional character contest within 5 years, since I doubt much will change barring rallies. congrats to BKSheikah the BYIG guru |
I'm
actually quite happy we are seeing a contest that hasn't been overrun
by rallies. If any of the remaining characters win via rallying, it'll
be the situation in 2002-4, where the only entrants that were rallied
were already strong in their own right. None of the remaining
characters have massive rally potential either (Link did get a pretty
strong rally going against Draven but that match had unique reasons to
allow Link to be the hero in the eyes of the public despite "always"
winning). September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! |
I too prefer games to characters. Don't know why Started from the bottom now we here |
Polls for the next several days: 11/22/2018 - Have you ever owned an Xbox 360? 11/23/2018 - I don't know. Probably an original poll idea. Notable games released on this day include SNES FFII and OoT, so we could get a playrate or ownership poll for one of those games. 11/24/2018 - How much of your holiday shopping are you doing online this year? 11/25/2018 - What percentage of the games that you own have you beaten? 11/26/2018 - I don't know. Probably an original poll idea. This one could be related to the Second Chance Contest. Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BK_Sheikah00, Guru Champ! |
Won't the 25th @7pm EST be the first day back? CBX - Today's Winners: Link and Mega Man Score: 196/256 |
AxemRedRanger posted... I'd probably take Gamecube > NES. Duck Hunt still brings back memories for me and i probably played it less then 10 times. "L-Block 2007 Character Battle Champion" Always remember. "L-Block, shaped like a boot to kick your ass" |
charmander6000 posted... Won't the 25th @7pm EST be the first day back? No, the contest returns on November 26th at 7:00 PM EST. That's on Monday. Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BK_Sheikah00, Guru Champ! |
AxemRedRanger posted... I'd probably take Gamecube > NES. You're right in theory. All but maybe three or four NES games would lose to a third tier Cube title like say, Tales of Symphonia, and the ones that are half decent beyond Mario 1 and 3 and the first LoZ are mostly due to brand recognition. But if you just present the poll as a picture of the consoles/controllers or even no picture at all, the NES in all of it's retro glory would absolutely smoke that lunchbox looking purple thing down every single time. Agent Triple Zero at your service! This line reserved for the true greatone, the 2018 Guru Contest winner. http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=40 (edited 11/21/2018 8:53:03 PM) |
In
yesterday's poll, Chrono Trigger finished at 54.30% on Link to the
Past. That's pretty interesting given that KP's adjusted stats for the
2015 contest have Chrono Trigger getting 54.00% on Ocarina of Time, but
Chrono Trigger could barely outdo that mark on Link to the Past despite
the poll featuring a lot of Nintendo LFF. Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BK_Sheikah00, Guru Champ! |
I wouldn't underestimate the NES. 1987 did quite well in the Best Year Ever (which shocked a lot of people) and that was basically Zelda 1, Metroid 1 and Mega Man 1. Even if people haven't actually played these originals, they get certain "respect points" and people voted 1987 because they saw the year as the start to three all time beloved franchises. Meanwhile, the NES is the start to everything and I think voters will recognize that. A picture of the NES with Mario 1, Zelda 1, Final Fantasy 1, Metroid 1, Mega Man 1, Castlevania 1 etc in addition to Duck Hunt, Contra, etc will be extremely powerful imo and I'd imagine voters who aren't too familiar with both NES and GameCube will respect the original more. congrats to BKSheikah the BYIG guru |
squexa posted... 1987 did quite well in the Best Year Ever (which shocked a lot of people) and that was basically Zelda 1, Metroid 1 and Mega Man 1. Even if people haven't actually played these originals, they get certain "respect points" and people voted 1987 because they saw the year as the start to three all time beloved franchises. 1987 looked very good in relation to the overall winner because the raw X-Stats had to go through 1995, which was severely hurt by a bad picture in the 1995/1987 match. One round later with a better picture, 1995 showed that it was much stronger than 1987 with a very good performance against 2001. Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BK_Sheikah00, Guru Champ! |
LusterSoldier posted... squexa posted...1987 did quite well in the Best Year Ever (which shocked a lot of people) and that was basically Zelda 1, Metroid 1 and Mega Man 1. Even if people haven't actually played these originals, they get certain "respect points" and people voted 1987 because they saw the year as the start to three all time beloved franchises. Ok, my memories definitely not good enough to remember what the match pics were in every match, so I'm not too sure. And "much stronger than 1987"... how does one know that? Outside of assuming that 1987 would get destroyed by 2001, which would be entirely speculative. I think as long as 1995 lead with Chrono Trigger, I can't imagine the results changing that much, since the rest of the games from 1995 weren't particularly strong, though I'm just speculating here. congrats to BKSheikah the BYIG guru (edited 11/21/2018 10:59:51 PM) |
squexa posted... LusterSoldier posted...squexa posted...show hidden quote(s)1987 did quite well in the Best Year Ever (which shocked a lot of people) and that was basically Zelda 1, Metroid 1 and Mega Man 1. Even if people haven't actually played these originals, they get certain "respect points" and people voted 1987 because they saw the year as the start to three all time beloved franchises. 1995 led in with FULL THROTTLE for rounds 1 and 2. Chrono Trigger was the second in that match pic for some reason that only Allen can explain. Once match pics expanded, it had CT and Earthbound at the top and of course it did much better. Agent Triple Zero at your service! This line reserved for the true greatone, the 2018 Guru Contest winner. http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=40 |
Here's who I would take in each of those matches (up to the division finals) in the bracket Leon posted above: Ganon, Scorp, Rosa, Zero, Leon, Yoshi, Kratos, X // Ganon, Zero, Yoshi, X // Ganon, X // Ganon Pika, Zidane, Chun, Sub, Ridley, Simon, Phoenix, Luigi // Pika, Chun, Ridley, Luigi // Pika, Luigi // Pika Alucard, Jill, Terra, DK, Cecil, Vincent, Ike, Vivi // Alucard, DK, Vincent, Vivi // Alucard, Vivi // Vivi Bowser, Captain Toad, Kefka, Peach, Knuckles, Big Boss, Fox, Geralt // Bowser, Kefka, Knuckles, Fox // Bowser, Knuckles // Bowser Zelda, Bomber, Yuna, Magus, Aerith, Pac, Falcon, Red // Zelda, Magus, Aerith, Red // Zelda, Red // Zelda Auron, Shulk, Ryu, Mewtwo, Frog, Ryu H, Lara, Kirby // Auron, Ryu, Frog, Kirby // Ryu, Kirby // Kirby Tifa, Tails, Ness, 2B, Tidus, Dante, KOS, Bayo // Tifa, 2B, Dante, Bayo // Tifa, Dante // Tifa Sephy, Waluigi, Ammy, Crash, Squall, Zard, Wario, Sora // Sephy, Ammy, Zard, Sora // Sephy, Zard // Sephy |
1995 led in with FULL THROTTLE for rounds 1 and 2. Chrono Trigger was the second in that match pic for some reason that only Allen can explain.as allen puts up hundred of polls per year, perhaps he wished to pay a sly tribute to a fellow poll connoisseur [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] [NO BKSheikah NO PEACE] |
LusterSoldier posted... In yesterday's poll, Chrono Trigger finished at 54.30% on Link to the Past. That's pretty interesting given that KP's adjusted stats for the 2015 contest have Chrono Trigger getting 54.00% on Ocarina of Time, but Chrono Trigger could barely outdo that mark on Link to the Past despite the poll featuring a lot of Nintendo LFF. Do you think CT was the uncrowned "Best. Game. Ever."? I really think CT had a real chance if it wasn't for outside interference. The Big Problem with the Pokemon anime: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/217-pokemon/75265633 |
_SecretSquirrel posted... 1995 led in with FULL THROTTLE for rounds 1 and 2. Chrono Trigger was the second in that match pic for some reason that only Allen can explain. ...What the heck... does SBAllen hate Chrono Trigger or something? congrats to BKSheikah the BYIG guru |
This is the match picture for 1995 in round 1 and 2: http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/bestyear/r1_1995.jpg Leading off with Full Throttle may have been a contributing factor in 1995's poor performance against 1987, but an even bigger problem was the absence of Earthbound, Yoshi's Island, and DKC2. Having all 3 of those games to back up Chrono Trigger would have allowed 1995 to get over 60% on 1987, and would probably have doubled 1987 with those 3 games to help it out. Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as BK_Sheikah00, Guru Champ! (edited 11/22/2018 12:07:36 AM) |
maybe CT beats OoT but I'll believe it when I see it |
UltimaterializerX posted... pjbasis posted...Psh I almost don't even care about characters. Yes. _SecretSquirrel posted... Big Bob posted...You could do a games contest every year, but in order to keep it fresh you'd have to have brand-new entrants every time. I'm not sure what kind of restrictions Allen could put on the contest to make it that way, though... Not interested in doing one for the eighties? ...Well, it'd have to be a small one. I get the feeling that the final would be SMB1 > LoZ1, but I wonder if Tetris wouldn't be a compelling dark horse. tennisboy213 posted... maybe CT beats OoT but I'll believe it when I see it Same. CT crushing this poll is no surprise; it won Division 16 in 2004 and never lost to a fellow SNES-era game in the other contests either. SM64 beat it twice in 2009, however, the first time coming with a second Mario game in the poll, and of course FFVII has handled it repeatedly. So I'm not on board with it beating an N64/PS1 classic just yet. "Someday I'll catch up, and then you'll all be surprised!" BKSheikah has the power. He is the one. (edited 11/22/2018 5:22:02 AM) |
(1) Ganondorf (8) Scorpion (12) King K. Rool (4) Zero (6) Leon Kennedy (3) Yoshi (10) Claire Redfield (2) Mega Man X (1) Pikachu (9) GlaDOS (5) Chun-Li (4) Sub-Zero (6) Ridley (3) Simon Belmont (10) Phoenix Wright (2) Luigi (1) Alucard (9) King Dedede (5) Terra Branford (4) Donkey Kong (6) Cecil Harvey (3) Vincent Valentine (10) Ike (2) Vivi (1) Bowser (9) Captain Toad (5) Kefka (4) Princess Peach (6) Knuckles the Echidna (3) Big Boss (7) Fox McCloud (2) Geralt (1) Zelda (9) Lightning (5) Yuna (4) Magus (6) Aerith Gainsborough (3) Pac-Man (7) Captain Falcon (2) Pokemon Trainer Red (1) Auron (8) Shulk (5) Ryu (4) Mewtwo (6) Frog (3) Ryu Hayabusa (7) Lara Croft (2) Kirby (1) Tifa Lockhart (9) Miles “Tails” Prower (5) Ness (13) Aya Brea (6) Tidus (but I love how he's been given another chokemaster) (3) Dante (10) KOS-MOS (2) Bayonetta (1) Sephiroth (9) The Boss (5) Amaterasu (4) Crash Bandicoot (6) Squall Leonhart (3) Charizard (7) Wario (2) Sora (1) Ganondorf (4) Zero (3) Yoshi (2) Mega Man X (1) Pikachu (4) Sub-Zero (6) Ridley (2) Luigi (1) Alucard (4) Donkey Kong (3) Vincent Valentine (2) Vivi (1) Bowser (5) Kefka (3) Big Boss (7) Fox McCloud (1) Zelda (4) Magus (6) Aerith Gainsborough (2) Pokemon Trainer Red (1) Auron (5) Ryu (6) Frog (2) Kirby (1) Tifa Lockhart (13) Aya Brea (3) Dante (10) KOS-MOS (1) Sephiroth (5) Amaterasu (6) Squall Leonhart (2) Sora (1) Ganondorf (2) Mega Man X (1) Pikachu (2) Luigi (1) Alucard (2) Vivi (1) Bowser (3) Big Boss (1) Zelda (6) Aerith Gainsborough (1) Auron (2) Kirby (1) Tifa Lockhart (3) Dante (1) Sephiroth (6) Squall Leonhart (1) Ganondorf (2) Luigi (2) Vivi (1) Bowser (1) Zelda (2) Kirby (1) Tifa Lockhart (1) Sephiroth (2) Luigi (1) Bowser (2) Kirby (1) Sephiroth (1) Bowser (1) Sephiroth (1) Sephiroth "Someday I'll catch up, and then you'll all be surprised!" BKSheikah has the power. He is the one. |
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