Team Rocket Elite posted...
IIRC Vote For The Worst rallied for L-Block in 2007.

Edit: Found evidence of it:
https://web.archive.org/web/20071104233504/http://www.votefortheworst.com:80/20071101/vote_l_block_best_videogamecharacter_ever


Damn, I miss that site.
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Lopen 11/16/2018 1:53:09 PM#102
Ytterbicide posted...
There was still a lot of resistance against Undertale beating Fallout 3, which did really well in 2010


Those people weren't paying attention to Draven imo. I instantly called the contest for Undertale when it made the comeback and I'd imagine I was far from the only one
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Ytterbicide 11/16/2018 1:55:26 PM#103
Lopen posted...
Ytterbicide posted...
There was still a lot of resistance against Undertale beating Fallout 3, which did really well in 2010


Those people weren't paying attention to Draven imo. I instantly called the contest for Undertale when it made the comeback and I'd imagine I was far from the only one


Fair 'nough. I didn't really track who was saying what about Undertale/Fellout
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Advokaiser 11/16/2018 1:57:13 PM#104
Thinking about Kirby... We'll he be able to SFF Bowser? I mean, could we even see as far as a 60-40 win? (You know, Smash hero and all...)
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Lopen 11/16/2018 2:00:13 PM#105
Kirby will 60-40 him and it won't be through SFF.

Believe.
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In addition to waifu factor, is cartoony factor a thing?

Characters like Tails and Crash have done well. I’d say it was more anti-Western factor, but Crash is a western character.

Is it maybe that cartoony characters trigger nostalgia more than “badass” ones?

And maybe new cartoony characters imprint faster on GameFAQs age users than badass ones?
Lopen posted...
Ytterbicide posted...
There was still a lot of resistance against Undertale beating Fallout 3, which did really well in 2010


Those people weren't paying attention to Draven imo. I instantly called the contest for Undertale when it made the comeback and I'd imagine I was far from the only one


Yeah, it was the same exact argument people used against Draven after Round 1. Weakness of first opponent (well, Draven's first opponents were genuinely weak; Undertale's was just an anti-vote magnet) combined with magnitude of rally required just to overcome said weak opponent. That said, Ytter's not wrong either. There were definitely reasons to think that Undertale could be stopped. Fallout 3 had been a very strong performer in GotD and Fallout 4 had just been released. Under more natural circumstances, it might've actually threatened to pull an upset of its own in Round 3.

And I would argue that even after Round 2, we didn't permanently lose hope. Melee was doing a lot of rallying too.
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Yuri_LowelI 11/16/2018 2:04:23 PM#108
Lopen posted...
Kirby will 60-40 him and it won't be through SFF.

Believe.


If hes worth 60+ on Bowser. He surely has to have a shot at upsetting Megaman?
davidponte 11/16/2018 2:05:45 PM#109
Lopen posted...
Kirby will 60-40 him and it won't be through SFF.

Believe.


I believe.
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snake_5036 posted...
there was also literally pokemon in undertale's way

Oh yeah yeah, I remember that.

I actually don’t think it was unreasonable to think Pokemonz could win. Pokefear and all that.

The notion wss that a rallyable entry might be able to withstand a rally.

Was there people who thought Melee might have a chance to beat Undertale? That seems like it probably would have been wishful thinking after it beat RBY, but I don’t know what I thought then, or what the consensus was.
Lopen 11/16/2018 2:07:37 PM#111
Bowser is a fraud so if it happens maybe maybe not
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Averia 11/16/2018 2:07:37 PM#112
Let's not rewrite the past, plenty of people believed the rallies could be stopped.
For Draven, everyone expected MMX and Ryu would defeat Draven before the match.
And if people had no hope, Link would never have done that well , and Draven wouldn't have needed a sticky to finish off Snake.

And in the 2015 contest, it was the same, people expected Fallout to defeat Undertale;
After Fallout lost, according to a poll back then, 74% thought it could be beaten (and at that point, Melee hadn't rallied yet).
At one point during the Pokemon match, everyone called Undertale dead.
And of course, people called Undertale dead when Melee took the lead for 3 updates. (that was a ridiculous overreaction though).
For the OOT final however, hope was truly dead.
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Yuri_LowelI 11/16/2018 2:09:28 PM#113
Averia posted...
Let's not rewrite the past, plenty of people believed the rallies could be stopped.
For Draven, everyone expected MMX and Ryu would defeat Draven before the match.
And if people had no hope, Link would never have done that well , and Draven wouldn't have needed a sticky to finish off Snake.

And in the 2015 contest, it was the same, people expected Fallout to defeat Undertale;
After Fallout lost, according to a poll back then, 74% thought it could be beaten (and at that point, Melee hadn't rallied yet).
At one point during the Pokemon match, everyone called Undertale dead.
And of course, people called Undertale dead when Melee took the lead for 3 updates. (that was a ridiculous overreaction though).
For the OOT final however, hope was truly dead.


The Melee match was the only match undertale had a shot at losing. Melees rallying didn't last long enough otherwise Undertale was toast.
Lopen 11/16/2018 2:12:01 PM#114
Averia posted...
For Draven, everyone expected MMX and Ryu would defeat Draven before the match.


I agree with this. I said after round 2. Anyone who seriously believed in the field vs Draven after that massacre in round 2 were just being optimistic or delusional though.

Undertale, if you paid attention to Draven you knew it was over the moment it escaped round 1. Was it fun to root against? Maybe for some. For many of us it was just "okay whatever"

L-Block always looked just weak enough to humor it losing to the next challenge though.
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Averia 11/16/2018 2:13:11 PM#115
Yuri_LowelI posted...
Averia posted...
Let's not rewrite the past, plenty of people believed the rallies could be stopped.
For Draven, everyone expected MMX and Ryu would defeat Draven before the match.
And if people had no hope, Link would never have done that well , and Draven wouldn't have needed a sticky to finish off Snake.

And in the 2015 contest, it was the same, people expected Fallout to defeat Undertale;
After Fallout lost, according to a poll back then, 74% thought it could be beaten (and at that point, Melee hadn't rallied yet).
At one point during the Pokemon match, everyone called Undertale dead.
And of course, people called Undertale dead when Melee took the lead for 3 updates. (that was a ridiculous overreaction though).
For the OOT final however, hope was truly dead.


The Melee match was the only match undertale had a shot at losing. Melees rallying didn't last long enough otherwise Undertale was toast.


Pokemon had a better chance I think. Undertale started really really late against Pokemon.
Against Melee, the rally was in full swing from the beginning which mean every Melee increase was matched by an Undertale increase. Melee couldn't reach Undertale's ceiling so the only hope would have been if it started too late.
snake_5036 11/16/2018 2:17:59 PM#116
creativename posted...
Was there people who thought Melee might have a chance to beat Undertale?

They did, but they also specified that Melee would have to hold off until just before the poll closed to have a chance, because Undertale always started to go insane if anything took a lead on it.
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Match CXV: (9) Pokemon Trainer Red vs. (3) Alucard

Current Contest Performance

Pokemon Trainer Red
Defeated Neptune, 75.32% - 24.68%
Defeated Sora, 50.90% - 49.10%
Defeated Big Boss, 52.18% - 47.82%

Alucard
Defeated Princess Peach, 56.81% - 43.19%
Defeated Yuna, 59.62% - 40.38%
Defeated Kefka, 59.44% - 40.56%

Analysis

This division sure wrecked my bracket. Neither of my division finalists made it here. Overall, I feel Pokemon Trainer Red has benefitted from his bracket placement. Both Kingdom Hearts and Metal Gear have not looked great this contest meaning Red was able to take advantage of the situation. Alucard on the other hand, has had two rounds where he has almost broke 60% against Yuna and Kefka, both impressive results on his part.

Does that mean Alucard is going to win? Not necessarily. Both Sora and Big Boss were considered to be stronger than Alucard and I am not entirely convinced that they have dropped that badly to make Alucard the heavy favourite. Meanwhile, Final Fantasy X hasn’t exactly looked great, though at worst it appears to be a slight drop while Kefka is a bit of a wildcard. I am going to back Red in this match, but Alucard does have every reason to win this division.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Big Boss > Kefka

charmander6000’s Prediction: Pokemon Trainer Red wins, 52.53% - 47.47%




Match CXVI: (4) Bowser vs. (2) Kirby

Current Contest Performance

Bowser
Defeat Gordon Freeman, 77.39% - 22.61%
Defeated Charizard, 56.55% - 43.45%
Defeated 2B, 58.19% - 41.81%

Kirby
Defeated Guile, 74.54% - 25.46%
Defeated Isaac, 70.29% - 29.71%
Defeated Phoenix Wright, 68.31% - 31.69%

Analysis

I’m definitely not the only person that was disappointed by Bowser’s performance last round, though I think we have been a bit too harsh. Firstly, 2B is a new character so we don’t really know her strength and while new characters have been flopping this contest, she was going to be an exception given how well she and her game have performed in polls. Her performance against Ness suggested she would be a bit weaker, but with Super Smash Bros. Ultimate boosting lower tier Nintendo characters Ness had every reason to be stronger, as did his first-round opponent, Shadow with the way Sonic characters have performed.

Bowser’s relatively poor performance was also paired up with Kirby’s smashing of Phoenix Wright. Personally, I feel Phoenix Wright is an honorary Nintendo character so there may have been a bit of SFF. Additionally, Kirby only slightly overperformed as Phoenix Wright isn’t that strong despite what this board believes.

I still have faith in Bowser, his performance against Charizard was decent and I don’t see him dropping in strength in any significant manner when other Pokemon characters have held up well if you ignore the people that thought they were Noble Nine breakers. Kirby does have Super Smash Bros. Ultimate hype though.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Bowser > Kirby

charmander6000’s Prediction: Bowser wins, 51.10% - 48.90%
CBX - Today's Winners: Ganondorf and Yoshi
Score: 146/192
Advokaiser 11/16/2018 2:22:31 PM#118
davidponte posted...
Lopen posted...
Kirby will 60-40 him and it won't be through SFF.

Believe.


I believe.


https://i.imgur.com/nS1kAYC.gif
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Safer_777 11/16/2018 2:29:31 PM#119
Pretty sure Alucard and Kirby are the heavy favorites.
So why we exist? What happens when we stop existing?
Averia 11/16/2018 2:31:58 PM#120
Also thinking back about the Draven rally, it's impressive how it happened in a way that maximize the salt and false hopes.

Round 1 : small win that let you think he dies next round
Round 2 : overwhelming win that makes everyone give up and complain
Round 3 : give so much false hope, let the victory be in sight but never actually let reach it, add controversy, ddos accusations and the possibility of a Link win without Shepard
Round 4 : rallies are forbidden fake out
Round 5 : Lol World pushing rally topic down, Draven slowly dying.... just kidding have a sticky.

Undertale mostly stuck to the same pattern (be behind, wait, Underdog comeback !), until the last matches.
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Nanis23 11/16/2018 2:34:07 PM#121
Safer_777 posted...
Pretty sure Alucard and Kirby are the heavy favorites.

Charmander with the upset picks

Personally I have Bowser as well but I don't believe in him
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Janus5k 11/16/2018 2:39:55 PM#122
I don't feel great about Alucard's chances, but hopefully that's just PokeFEAR
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Nanis23 11/16/2018 2:47:34 PM#123
Well Red might get a small, minor, extremely tiny boost from Let's Go
So if it's a close match it might matter
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Alucard is going to crush Red. Expecting 56%.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Advokaiser 11/16/2018 2:54:00 PM#125
KamikazePotato posted...
Alucard is going to crush Red. Expecting 56%.


Peach > Red?
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Peach would already easily beat Kefka and Yuna, so why not?
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Advokaiser 11/16/2018 2:58:52 PM#127
So I just looked up this whole Bowsette meme and... It wasn't something disturbing at all. But I don't see that as any (significant) help either.
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Safer_777 11/16/2018 3:06:53 PM#128
@Advokaiser Yeah I have seen that too. The Internet is a scary place.
So why we exist? What happens when we stop existing?
Janus5k 11/16/2018 3:23:18 PM#129
Can't wait for people to hentai rally Bowsette only for it to backfire because Kirby's so great with his mouth
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I have no idea on today's matches. Gut says Red and Bowser but not sure I want to risk it in the Oracle as seems the majority are all going the other way
swordz9 11/16/2018 3:31:57 PM#131
Despite whatever stats and history say I feel like there’s a 0% chance Red loses this. No idea on Bowser/Kirby
Lopen posted...
Averia posted...
For Draven, everyone expected MMX and Ryu would defeat Draven before the match.


I agree with this. I said after round 2. Anyone who seriously believed in the field vs Draven after that massacre in round 2 were just being optimistic or delusional though.

Undertale, if you paid attention to Draven you knew it was over the moment it escaped round 1. Was it fun to root against? Maybe for some. For many of us it was just "okay whatever"

L-Block always looked just weak enough to humor it losing to the next challenge though.

I don’t agree with this at all.

Firstly you’re ignoring the Reddit mod factor. Those guys are just individuals, and unpredictable. One mod making a certain decision can sabotage the rally.

There’s also the Reddit upvote algorithm factor, and the competing threads factor. While it’s extremely likely a successful Reddit rally will be repeated in future rounds, it’s not entirely guaranteed. There’s definitely a random, unpredictable element to it.

Also Link did in fact look like he was capable of beating Draven. The downtime not only killed his best time, but demoralized his supporters and gave morale to Draven supporters.

I think it was reasonable to believe RBY and Melee could beat Undertale. Looking back it would’ve been a minor miracle, but at the time it wasn’t totally insane.
Nanis23 11/16/2018 3:39:58 PM#133
Uh how weird
Super Mario 64 did better against Undertale than Pokemon RB did?
Somehow I forgot this match even happened
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It rolled over and did nothing.

That's why Undertale was going to win, it did just enough to win.
CBX - Today's Winners: Ganondorf and Yoshi
Score: 146/192
Team Rocket Elite 11/16/2018 3:52:42 PM#135
Yeah. Mario 64 made no attempt to win so it ended up with a strong performance against Undertale.
This was not the best year for my bracket.
Congrats to BK_Sheikah00 for winning the BYIG Guru Contest!
Lopen 11/16/2018 3:54:07 PM#136
charmander6000 posted...
That's why Undertale was going to win, it did just enough to win.


Somehow. Yet everyone thinks I'm crazy when I call it suspicious.
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oh wow alucard
https://imgur.com/M1heX2g
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Alucard making his division look like a joke
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davidponte 11/16/2018 4:01:02 PM#139
Hopefully this is Bowser having brackets
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Alucard...
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Red is getting his doors blown off with this board vote already.
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Lopen posted...
charmander6000 posted...
That's why Undertale was going to win, it did just enough to win.


Somehow. Yet everyone thinks I'm crazy when I call it suspicious.

Rallyers work harder when they see a need.
davidponte 11/16/2018 4:01:39 PM#143
Sora is the ultimate fraud
The final Undisputed Champion in UCA history.
Time for people to hentai rally for Bowsette
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Good lord Alucard. He's embarrassing this entire division.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
if aloy and alucard switched divisions peach would've smashed this division lol
https://imgur.com/M1heX2g
RIP Paul Bearer. Ohhhh nooooo. :(
tgs2 11/16/2018 4:03:26 PM#147
Lopen posted...
charmander6000 posted...
That's why Undertale was going to win, it did just enough to win.


Somehow. Yet everyone thinks I'm crazy when I call it suspicious.


I was of the belief that Undertale ralliers were lurking the stats thread and creative's site. Anything that looked to be trouble for Undertale resulted in an almost immediate response.
Surskit 11/16/2018 4:03:34 PM#148
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
if aloy and alucard switched divisions peach would've smashed this division lol

All those "oh, did I win?" memes that we missed...
.-#Elements of Water#-.
also peach and zelda both getting massive icon boosts makes sense
https://imgur.com/M1heX2g
RIP Paul Bearer. Ohhhh nooooo. :(
Nanis23 11/16/2018 4:03:40 PM#150
Alucard board vote is disgusting
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