Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1305 GameFAQs Contests

I think the Peru votes were estimated at being like 80-15 in MMX's favor last time Luster ran the numbers.

I don't know how to post on Reddit.

I don't even know how to properly BROWSE Reddit.

Wait did BlAcK_TuRtLE pick Weaker over Lloyd back in the day because it'd explain so much

creativename posted...

Regarding the Peru VPN stuff - while the Peru percent may indicate the attempted VPN stuffing attempts worked, that’s not necessarily the case.

X was over 90% against Ocelot in Peru. Was anybody actually stuffing that blowout...? He seems to do well in South America in general.

Also this site seems to have good anti-stuffing measures. It may be that it catches the large majority of VPN votes.

Either because they aren’t fully hiding that it’s a VPN, because the stuffer didn’t properly clear cookies, or maybe Allen has a database of VPN IPs to ignore, etc.

The issue is that Peru votes heavily one way in every match though. At least that's what Luster said when he brought it up. Like we aren't talking 60/40s here, it was like 80-90 from what Luster said. I'm sure he can provide more details

So it isn't that they were necessarily stuffing for MMX as they are doing it in every match for one character or another. It's just weird and this is the first match where it was close enough to matter.

Lopen that is a quality typo can i use it in the future

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

At this point who f***ing cares, yet another contest has been ruined by the rally crew. Even with the registered voter bonus, these contests are impossible to run in 2018, with all the porno subreddits and s***ty Twitch streamers that offer an endless pool of votes for the degenerates on Board 8 like ExTha and Leon.

Agreed, the basement dwelling perverts are pathetic people.

The best way to snuff out rallies is to just hide the percentages until the next poll has started

i don't know when i'd use it but i'm sure we'll get like wesker vs. pichu down the line

ZenOfThunder posted...

It’s funny how everyone focuses on the Tifa hentai rallies that got no upvotes or views and not the fairly successful MMX rally or exthas actual tifa rally

So it may not have been the hentai rallies, but some other ExTha rally?

What other rally was this, and how did the threads compare in upvotes and comments?

creativename posted...

So it may not have been the hentai rallies, but some other ExTha rally?

What other rally was this, and how did the threads compare in upvotes and comments?

Alright so I made my rally on the FF subreddit in the early afternoon.

At some point (AFTER 5pm) someone linked to it on the FF Record Keeper subreddit.

Also Tifa was dominating across Europe, Asia and Australia

I know they represent a smaller portion of the site's traffic and it was bed time for some of those areas, but still it starts to add up eventually.

America got a big chunk of its registered user votes out of the way in the first 7-8 hours anyway

haloiscoolisbak posted...

I'm definitely not pro rally, but when I saw Tifas lead crumble and a 1.7k viewed MMX reddit rally post appeared, easily the most successful attempt at a rally this contest, all bets were off

And this is why I don't feel the Tifa rallies were unfair. I'd understand if MMX wasn't being rallied and the Tifa rally swinging it for her but if not for the MMX rally in the first place, Tifa likely wins without rallying. The Tifa rallies were basically retaliation to the MMX rally that was substantial.

KamikazePotato posted...

I think the Peru votes were estimated at being like 80-15 in MMX's favor last time Luster ran the numbers.

Seems reasonable given everything we know about Mega Man performance in South America. With all these comments about 'they did the math' I was expecting a 200-10 number to be what raised suspicions. Why would anyone go through the trouble of stuffing votes, but stop at 30 or so? If you assume Tifa naturally got those 15 votes, and based on everything we know, MM going 80-20 in South America is realistic, how many of those 80 votes are people claiming were 'stuffed'?

I mean when both sides have rallies all you can do is just fold your hands and not enjoy it at all

WarThaNemesis2 posted...

Lopen that is a quality typo can i use it in the future

Haha that's awesome. My phone is truly smart sometimes

ShatteredElysium posted...

haloiscoolisbak posted...

I'm definitely not pro rally, but when I saw Tifas lead crumble and a 1.7k viewed MMX reddit rally post appeared, easily the most successful attempt at a rally this contest, all bets were off

And this is why I don't feel the Tifa rallies were unfair. I'd understand if MMX wasn't being rallied and the Tifa rally swinging it for her but if not for the MMX rally in the first place, Tifa likely wins without rallying. The Tifa rallies were basically retaliation to the MMX rally that was substantial.

Everyone keeps quoting this '1.7k views' number, but what does that actually mean? THere were only 52 comments, and 176 upvotes. Even if you assume a 100% conversion on the upvotes, that doesn't account for the 500 or so rally votes Tifa brought in from the hentai subs.

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Everyone keeps quoting this '1.7k views' number, but what does that actually mean? THere were only 52 comments, and 176 upvotes. Even if you assume a 100% conversion on the upvotes, that doesn't account for the 500 or so rally votes Tifa brought in from the hentai subs.

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

okay now I know you're trolling because my rally thread on the FF subreddit had 19 upvotes when I last checked it.

Just to be clear, aren't the Peru stuffer and the VPN stuffer different issues? I think people are mistakenly conflating them. The possible VPN stuffer was brought up fairly early (Monika Vs. Wario maybe) and the Peru thing is from Draven's match.

Not sure that Peru's results in this last match really point to anything though. 86.36% seems like a low number for a stuffing inflected result. Cirno's number when she was caught for example was 99.95 or something like that. Peru has to have a low enough voting base that even tens of MMX votes should be throwing things off by more.

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Why would anyone go through the trouble of stuffing votes, but stop at 30 or so?

If you're doing something as basic as using a VPN the ip pool isn't limitless

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I'm definitely not pro rally, but when I saw Tifas lead crumble and a 1.7k viewed MMX reddit rally post appeared, easily the most successful attempt at a rally this contest, all bets were off

And this is why I don't feel the Tifa rallies were unfair. I'd understand if MMX wasn't being rallied and the Tifa rally swinging it for her but if not for the MMX rally in the first place, Tifa likely wins without rallying. The Tifa rallies were basically retaliation to the MMX rally that was substantial.

Everyone keeps quoting this '1.7k views' number, but what does that actually mean? THere were only 52 comments, and 176 upvotes. Even if you assume a 100% conversion on the upvotes, that doesn't account for the 500 or so rally votes Tifa brought in from the hentai subs.

My point was MMX benefitted from rallies first

They drew first blood.

the real point is Mega Man X is a fraud

Luigi you're next

ExThaNemesis posted...

HaRRicH posted...

I voted Tifa > MMX and don't mind her hurting my bracket. The way she won is worth a laugh too. It's just disappointment in ExTha backtracking on how he feels about rallies.

I already apologized for ripping Ulti apart. And at the time, it looked like Ulti's rally thread was going to have a massive effect on the match. It ended up not being that way, but I was really afraid they were going to overrun us like before. Rallyfear, if you like.

What match was this?

okay so when leon gloated about FRAUDS it led to squall getting slaughtered

who is ready for the boss > snake

creativename posted...

What match was this?

The Joker/Claire match in round 1.

WarThaNemesis2 posted...

okay so when leon gloated about FRAUDS it led to squall getting slaughtered

who is ready for the boss > snake

Tifa is the only joy I have left

creativename posted...

What match was this?

Red vs. Sora

LeonhartFour posted...

Tifa is the only joy I have left

Luigi sends his regards

oh right I forgot there was a rally argument in that match too LOL

Lopen posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

Tifa is the only joy I have left

Luigi sends his regards

Luigi can carry on her legacy since I have him beating Sephiroth

LeonhartFour posted...

WarThaNemesis2 posted...

okay so when leon gloated about FRAUDS it led to squall getting slaughtered

who is ready for the boss > snake

Tifa is the only joy I have left

well it sounds like for all his SJW commenting, BT is Antifa

Also, you can assume I think with some certainty basically every rally thread upvoter definitely also bothered to vote for MMX you're looking at 176 votes at the absolute minimum. Then from the 1.7k views it could have been hundreds more

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I'm definitely not pro rally, but when I saw Tifas lead crumble and a 1.7k viewed MMX reddit rally post appeared, easily the most successful attempt at a rally this contest, all bets were off

And this is why I don't feel the Tifa rallies were unfair. I'd understand if MMX wasn't being rallied and the Tifa rally swinging it for her but if not for the MMX rally in the first place, Tifa likely wins without rallying. The Tifa rallies were basically retaliation to the MMX rally that was substantial.

Everyone keeps quoting this '1.7k views' number, but what does that actually mean? THere were only 52 comments, and 176 upvotes. Even if you assume a 100% conversion on the upvotes, that doesn't account for the 500 or so rally votes Tifa brought in from the hentai subs.

When you look at the individual updates towards the end, it is clear both sides were benefitting from rallies. They were both getting substantially more votes in the final 2 hours than they did in their previous matches whereas they should have been getting less due facing stronger opposition. You're saying Tifa got 500 extra votes and acting like MMX didn't get similar amounts. You don't go from 20-30 vote updates against Isabelle/Ocelot to 50-60 vote updates against Tifa in the same time frame without outside help.

They both got a ton of help down the stretch. Maybe Tifa got more than MMX during that stretch but there was periods earlier in the day where MMX was benefitting from the substantial rally and Tifa was not since her rallies started at the end of the match. So it likely evens out.

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haloiscoolisbak posted...

I'm definitely not pro rally, but when I saw Tifas lead crumble and a 1.7k viewed MMX reddit rally post appeared, easily the most successful attempt at a rally this contest, all bets were off

And this is why I don't feel the Tifa rallies were unfair. I'd understand if MMX wasn't being rallied and the Tifa rally swinging it for her but if not for the MMX rally in the first place, Tifa likely wins without rallying. The Tifa rallies were basically retaliation to the MMX rally that was substantial.

Everyone keeps quoting this '1.7k views' number, but what does that actually mean? THere were only 52 comments, and 176 upvotes. Even if you assume a 100% conversion on the upvotes, that doesn't account for the 500 or so rally votes Tifa brought in from the hentai subs.

When you look at the individual updates towards the end, it is clear both sides were benefitting from rallies. They were both getting substantially more votes in the final 2 hours than they did in their previous matches whereas they should have been getting less due facing stronger opposition. You're saying Tifa got 500 extra votes and acting like MMX didn't get similar amounts. You don't go from 20-30 vote updates against Isabelle/Ocelot to 50-60 vote updates against Tifa in the same time frame without outside help.

They both got a ton of help down the stretch. Maybe Tifa got more than MMX during that stretch but there was periods earlier in the day where MMX was benefitting from the substantial rally and Tifa was not since her rallies started at the end of the match. So it likely evens out.

1) Stronger characters naturally bring in higher votals, so comparing the per update votes to Round 1/2 blowouts is meaningless
2) Close matches also naturally bring in higher votals
3) The MMX 'rally' was posted early this morning, when Tifa was still rolling strong. There weren't any MMX rallies posted towards the end of the match, if we assume the hentai perverts had a 70-30 bias towards Tifa, we can assume that MMX was en route to a 300-400 vote win before that kicked in

Lopen posted...

I think there are a few lines to draw when disliking vs liking rallies

1. Overwhelming numbers that can totally drown out our votes
2. You think it's likely more cheating than actual rally
3. The rallying is very one sided
4. The rallying favored something you don't like

I think all of these are distinct reasons to be anti rally for some or most and not for others. Only the last one potentially applies to the Tifa/MMX match. It was a much more fair rally than most of the ones people here complain about

I think the 1st or 3rd reasons turn off most people on this board, with a sprinkle of the 4th cause we're all rooting for our guys. Me it's mostly 2 but all the others are slight turnoffs too

I’d add, is it a counter-rally?

I see no problem with small-scale counter rallies.

If X rallied first, and neither rally drowned the other, and the votes seem to be legit - who gives a crap? That’s just a fun match.

People seem to be conflating different kinds of rallies for the sake of...agendas is the best way I can put it, LOL!

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

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ShatteredElysium posted...

haloiscoolisbak posted...

I'm definitely not pro rally, but when I saw Tifas lead crumble and a 1.7k viewed MMX reddit rally post appeared, easily the most successful attempt at a rally this contest, all bets were off

And this is why I don't feel the Tifa rallies were unfair. I'd understand if MMX wasn't being rallied and the Tifa rally swinging it for her but if not for the MMX rally in the first place, Tifa likely wins without rallying. The Tifa rallies were basically retaliation to the MMX rally that was substantial.

Everyone keeps quoting this '1.7k views' number, but what does that actually mean? THere were only 52 comments, and 176 upvotes. Even if you assume a 100% conversion on the upvotes, that doesn't account for the 500 or so rally votes Tifa brought in from the hentai subs.

When you look at the individual updates towards the end, it is clear both sides were benefitting from rallies. They were both getting substantially more votes in the final 2 hours than they did in their previous matches whereas they should have been getting less due facing stronger opposition. You're saying Tifa got 500 extra votes and acting like MMX didn't get similar amounts. You don't go from 20-30 vote updates against Isabelle/Ocelot to 50-60 vote updates against Tifa in the same time frame without outside help.

They both got a ton of help down the stretch. Maybe Tifa got more than MMX during that stretch but there was periods earlier in the day where MMX was benefitting from the substantial rally and Tifa was not since her rallies started at the end of the match. So it likely evens out.

1) Stronger characters naturally bring in higher votals, so comparing the per update votes to Round 1/2 blowouts is meaningless
2) Close matches also naturally bring in higher votals
3) The MMX 'rally' was posted early this morning, when Tifa was still rolling strong. There weren't any MMX rallies posted towards the end of the match, if we assume the hentai perverts had a 70-30 bias towards Tifa, we can assume that MMX was en route to a 300-400 vote win before that kicked in

How does point 2 work?

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

we can assume that MMX was en route to a 300-400 vote win before that kicked in

There was never ever anything to support X getting more than like 50-100 vote squeaker other than your woeful misunderstanding of how match trends work

The MMX rally being posted early and being prominent all day just means it got even more visibility and brought in more votes. Rally threads like that on reddit pick up steam from being visible all day. Without it Tifa may have built up a massive lead that MMX was never able to reel back in.

Jesus tapdancing Christ, is BT still having a meltdown? Is it 2008 again?

KamikazePotato posted...

Jesus tapdancing Christ, is BT still having a meltdown? Is it 2008 again?

It's like a christmas gift, in that it will continue happening well through the holidays.

ExThaNemesis posted...

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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

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I'm not sure what the worst part of that match was:

You

Also Nanis with a late contender for post of the year.

Awww shnap!!

@Nanis23 Perfection.

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haloiscoolisbak posted...

I'm definitely not pro rally, but when I saw Tifas lead crumble and a 1.7k viewed MMX reddit rally post appeared, easily the most successful attempt at a rally this contest, all bets were off

And this is why I don't feel the Tifa rallies were unfair. I'd understand if MMX wasn't being rallied and the Tifa rally swinging it for her but if not for the MMX rally in the first place, Tifa likely wins without rallying. The Tifa rallies were basically retaliation to the MMX rally that was substantial.

Everyone keeps quoting this '1.7k views' number, but what does that actually mean? THere were only 52 comments, and 176 upvotes. Even if you assume a 100% conversion on the upvotes, that doesn't account for the 500 or so rally votes Tifa brought in from the hentai subs.

When you look at the individual updates towards the end, it is clear both sides were benefitting from rallies. They were both getting substantially more votes in the final 2 hours than they did in their previous matches whereas they should have been getting less due facing stronger opposition. You're saying Tifa got 500 extra votes and acting like MMX didn't get similar amounts. You don't go from 20-30 vote updates against Isabelle/Ocelot to 50-60 vote updates against Tifa in the same time frame without outside help.

They both got a ton of help down the stretch. Maybe Tifa got more than MMX during that stretch but there was periods earlier in the day where MMX was benefitting from the substantial rally and Tifa was not since her rallies started at the end of the match. So it likely evens out.

1) Stronger characters naturally bring in higher votals, so comparing the per update votes to Round 1/2 blowouts is meaningless
2) Close matches also naturally bring in higher votals
3) The MMX 'rally' was posted early this morning, when Tifa was still rolling strong. There weren't any MMX rallies posted towards the end of the match, if we assume the hentai perverts had a 70-30 bias towards Tifa, we can assume that MMX was en route to a 300-400 vote win before that kicked in

You really have something against hentai fans don't you? LOL . arguing for hours on gamefaqs about a characters popularity contest but you demean others for looking at hentai, not sure if that's funny or sad.

Tifa was rallied and she won as a result, just get over it. Luigi will probably beat her next round.

abdou posted...

Luigi will probably beat her next round.

but will he really?

I think there's a decent chance Tifa picks up a bandwagon as a result of the last couple rounds and she might have beaten Luigi anyway

Luigi will 54-46 Tifa book it

Guess that's that for a Vivi upset.

Glad it's pretty close though.

Pikachu laying it down, Ganondorf getting revenge for Mario. I’m good with these results!

Luigi won't get demolished in Europe at least

There's not a chance Luigi wins next round. The Tifa/MMX winner was always going to win that division. Especially now that ExTha knows he can successfully rally hentai websites

heroicmario posted...

Pikachu laying it down, Ganondorf getting revenge for Mario. I’m good with these results!

I mean it was partially Ganondorf's fault Mario lost...!

LeonhartFour posted...

abdou posted...

Luigi will probably beat her next round.

but will he really?

I think there's a decent chance Tifa picks up a bandwagon as a result of the last couple rounds and she might have beaten Luigi anyway

Didn't you have Luigi over Sephiroth in your bracket?

I hate the most vocal proponents of both sides of this argument, so I have no horse.

Still delusional about MMX's strength

Luigi gonna expose that boy as unworthy to the claim of #10

haloiscoolisbak posted...

Didn't you have Luigi over Sephiroth in your bracket?

I do but I always thought Tifa/Luigi could go either way

I just thought Luigi's ceiling was higher