also looking at it now that I've browsed the board to get caught up, both sides had rallies so what am I supposed to do other than be happy my preferred character won in the end?

it looks like Tifa could've won in a fair fight regardless so whatever
tgs2 11/15/2018 7:23:45 PM#252
Is it really a successful rally when the creepy sex perverts were drawn more into Tails than Tifa?
ZenOfThunder posted...
Wtf

Are you for real

I was checking all match and the only response any of them had was “go kill yourself”

Are you telling me hentai power was real after all


Yeah no, the one r/hentai thread I saw had a LOT more upvotes than my r/FinalFantasy thread had.
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Holy s*** every Tifa hentai rally has like 200 upvotes, including two new ones on ahegao and bondage

I apologize to moonroof, it was I who didn’t check my facts

There are several semi-successful porn rallies for Tifa
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squexa 11/15/2018 7:25:37 PM#255
ZenOfThunder posted...

Wtf

Are you for real

I was checking all match and the only response any of them had was “go kill yourself”

Are you telling me hentai power was real after all


People are upvoting, but like Luster said, it's hard to know how many people actually voted. Perhaps people just upvoted the picture and moved on without voting since there aren't that many comments.
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Lopen 11/15/2018 7:25:46 PM#256
I've got no inconsistency with rallies. If I think it looks like an actual rally I like it (unless it's for Pokemon cause screw them). If I think it appears unnatural and more like vote stuffing I don't. This one seemed legit. Probably had some vote stuffing from both sides because I'm sure they all do, but mostly legitimate.

I even liked the L-Block rally. Rooted against it passionately, but liked it in the end. That being said there's something different even with that one vs a small scope thing like this one.
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HaRRicH 11/15/2018 7:26:16 PM#257
ExThaNemesis posted...
HaRRicH posted...
I voted Tifa > MMX and don't mind her hurting my bracket. The way she won is worth a laugh too. It's just disappointment in ExTha backtracking on how he feels about rallies.


I already apologized for ripping Ulti apart. And at the time, it looked like Ulti's rally thread was going to have a massive effect on the match. It ended up not being that way, but I was really afraid they were going to overrun us like before. Rallyfear, if you like.


Cool. I'll just harp on you for actively becoming pro-rally then. =P
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oh ExTha has rallied multiple times before this match

this isn't anything new
LeonhartFour posted...
oh ExTha has rallied multiple times before this match

this isn't anything new


Not successfully.

Go ahead and name them, I'll wait.

HaRRicH posted...
Cool. I'll just harp on you for actively becoming pro-rally then. =P


Cool, I'll keep pointing out the differences between my rally and the Draven/Undertale rallies until you are forced to confront your own stupidity about it.
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Extha I see you on r/Hentai

Also I think a big problem here is that reddit doesn’t display upvote or downvote counts right away to prevent bandwagoning downvoted on new posts

So while we thought those posts were getting no traction due to lack of comments they were actually raking in views and upvotes silently, and people stopped checking on them before totals became public
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ExThaNemesis posted...
Go ahead and name them, I'll wait.


be careful

Zen is going to screenshot that and use it against you in the future

I mean I don't keep a log of your rally attempts, I just know they are numerous
but yeah one of the big differences between a rally like this and a rally like Draven/Undertale is that Tifa was strong enough to win without it and X was too
For the record, I think Extha is correct (and not just because it helped my character). Rallies have affected contests since the dawn of time. The issue was rallies that were getting 3x the votes of an entire match for one entrant. I think if you're going to take a hardline stance against rallies of all kinds, you're going to be dissatisfied with a lot of contest matches throughout history, including a lot of legendary ones.

I doubt anyone would care if it was Phoenix Wright who was rallied. No one cared when he 'cheated' to beat Ike, after all.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
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Based on previous matches this round we got around 2000 rallied votes in total.
CBX - Today's Winners: Ganondorf and Yoshi
Score: 146/192
you liked THIS rally so you have to like ALL RALLIES is so stupid, I don't know why I'm surprised though.
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Team Rocket Elite 11/15/2018 7:37:58 PM#266
While seeing Tifa get rallied over Sephiroth is tempting, many of the users who support rallies just group together the big and the small. As a result, I just take a hardline stance against all of them so I don't have to deal with it when ever I want to complain about a big rally. In a better environment, I'd probably try and take a more nuanced stance.
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Lopen 11/15/2018 7:39:03 PM#267
I think there are a few lines to draw when disliking vs liking rallies

1. Overwhelming numbers that can totally drown out our votes
2. You think it's likely more cheating than actual rally
3. The rallying is very one sided
4. The rallying favored something you don't like

I think all of these are distinct reasons to be anti rally for some or most and not for others. Only the last one potentially applies to the Tifa/MMX match. It was a much more fair rally than most of the ones people here complain about

I think the 1st or 3rd reasons turn off most people on this board, with a sprinkle of the 4th cause we're all rooting for our guys. Me it's mostly 2 but all the others are slight turnoffs too
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HaRRicH 11/15/2018 7:40:19 PM#268
Speaking of rallies, I haven't seen a few hundred votes rallied against a Mega Man-character cause this much uproar in a Character Battle since March 5th, 2005, when I rallied Halo Bungie Online to rally for Arbiter > Mega Man on GameFAQsASCII.com as an experiment to study how effective rallying could be from incoming rallied voters...turns out they can turn an 18-60 vote battle into 550-125 real fast and halt a whole contest afterward.

It was for science though!
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LeonhartFour posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
Oh look, the people who claim to hate rallies now love them because the character they were rooting for won.

FUNNY HOW THAT WORKS. I was never the bad guy at all :D


I've literally been working all day and had no idea what happened here. Shut up.

Wasn't talking about you guy
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xp1337 11/15/2018 7:44:58 PM#270
My feelings align with TRE's, I think.

There's probably some nuance in there but I'd have to really think about it and it just doesn't seem worth the effort given the atmosphere now.
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I mean if someone had rallied for Squall against Zelda and it was somehow big enough to flip the result I wouldn't have been happy about it

I don't like it when rallies completely flip the strength levels. Something like Tifa/X was just two near elites trading blows.

maybe I should rephrase that
MZero11 posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
Oh look, the people who claim to hate rallies now love them because the character they were rooting for won.

FUNNY HOW THAT WORKS. I was never the bad guy at all :D


it's almost like a rally that brings in a few hundred votes is somehow different than one that brings in 10's of thousands

I just can't put my finger on what the difference is

There's no f***ing difference whatsoever. A contest result was affected by a few idiots on this board. It doesn't matter whether those idiots brought in 100 or 10,000 votes, it changed a match result and f***ed over everyone else's bracket.
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Every.

Close.

Match.

Has.

Rallies.

You get ONE standard. You like rallies or you don't. Picking and choosing because "oh hey this one was small and my character won so I get to play mental gymnastics and have it both ways" doesn't fly.

I've been consistent about this since Mario > Cloud 2002. Rallies are amazing and every match with them is legendary for a reason. Don't even PRETEND you people dislike the Starcraft > Halo/KH/WW run.
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Not sure if these numbers are correct, but...Tifa and MMX went equal in Registered votes. If that's the case, then you would assume that the winner would go to whoever is generally stronger with Unregistered voters.

MMX vs. Ocelot: 68.14% Registered
MMX vs. Ocelot: 68.53% UnRegistered

MMX vs. Isabelle: 80.89% Registered
MMX vs. Isabelle: 80.54% UnRegistered

Tifa vs. Geno: 73.09% Registered
Tifa vs. Geno: 73.24% UnRegistered

Tifa vs. Mewtwo: 57.26% Registered
Tifa vs. Mewtwo: 58.50% UnRegistered

While not conclusive, it looks like Tifa probably gravitates a bit more towards UnRegistered voter strength than Registered, at least moreso than MMX does. If that's the case, then she takes it if you remove all rallies from the equation.
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LeonhartFour posted...
I mean if someone had rallied for Squall against Zelda and it was somehow big enough to flip the result I wouldn't have been happy about it

Bull.

You loved the FF characters winning in 2003. I was there. I remember the posts. You think Kingdom Hearts by itself was flipping all those results?
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The world isn’t black and white Ulti
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Every.

Close.

Match.


There's an operative word here.

See if you can find it.

I'll give you a guess.
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Leon and ExTha have both now managed to surpass Ulti in hypocrisy and sheer asshattery. This is hilarious. You want to do your little sex-pervert rallies, that's fine, but to sit there and pretend you're sitting on some imaginary moral highground compared to other people that did literally the exact same thing is disgusting
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ZenOfThunder posted...
The world isn’t black and white Ulti

Aren't you a small business owner? If you are you know full well there is absolutely a right way and a wrong way of looking at things. Double standards flat-out do not work.
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
I'm mad because my arrogant bulls*** didn't pan out the way I wanted it to, send help
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xp1337 11/15/2018 7:53:22 PM#282
Also, this may be a rose-colored/distorted look at the past, but it was an image that came to me while thinking about it. Pre-Draven, rallies seemed more organic to me. They happened, but it was almost like a force of nature you just had to accept.

Now they feel more like you're playing SimCity and open the disaster panel and are triggering them for chaos and lolz.

If anything, I think that's how I'd categorize them in my head. They're not all the same, and it's not even solely based on how overpowering they are.

As an example, most of Mario's shenanigans like Planet Gamecube and everything about Mario/Crono II would be in the former. Pretty much everything since Draven would be in the latter. That latter category of rallies I absolutely hate. The former I'd have to do still more thinking on if I were going for a nuanced stance and again, I don't care to do that now.
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Lopen 11/15/2018 7:53:48 PM#283
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
There's no f***ing difference whatsoever. A contest result was affected by a few idiots on this board. It doesn't matter whether those idiots brought in 100 or 10,000 votes, it changed a match result and f***ed over everyone else's bracket.


Not really. Calling a match that was within 100 "right" was basically a coinflip. Those matches are so close they can change just based on the day of the week they're run. You get lucky or you don't. Calling a match wrong where your guy was up 10k before the rally is actually getting f***ed over because the wrong pick won.
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ZenOfThunder posted...
The world isn’t black and white Ulti

Fake News

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Color is a conspiracy invented by the Illuminati
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
UltimaterializerX posted...
You loved the FF characters winning in 2003. I was there. I remember the posts. You think Kingdom Hearts by itself was flipping all those results?


you mean back before I even really had formed any opinions on anything and I was just enjoying the contest for the first time as a 17 year old?

stop trying to box me in here dude

I mean if you're telling me Squall 60/40'd Luigi entirely because of a rally sure whatever dude
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
but to sit there and pretend you're sitting on some imaginary moral highground compared to other people that did literally the exact same thing is disgusting


what am I even doing here?

I'm not the one trying to force people into a corner regarding rallies
Are we going to ignore the actual numbers I just posted heavily implying that Tifa still wins even if you remove all rallies

We are? Okay just making sure
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Acting like Leon was EVEN HERE to be involved in your imaginary porn rallies that earlier you REFUSED to give me credit for is preposterous, by the way.

Leave him out of it. Send all your ire where it belongs. At me.

Because I f***ing love it.
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Lopen 11/15/2018 7:56:32 PM#289
UltimaterializerX posted...
Aren't you a small business owner? If you are you know full well there is absolutely a right way and a wrong way of looking at things. Double standards flat-out do not work.


Rallying in close matches is fine seems to be the standard that's held by most in here. A double standard is only called such if you can't draw a clear distinction between the scenarios.
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Furthermore, you're gonna have to come up with something that stings a little harder than "degenerate pervert" for me, because that's something I embrace as a badge of honor.
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Leon has the unfortunate timing to come in after the match was over, and only gets to see post-meltdown Black Turtle instead of in-progress-meltdown Black Turtle. The latter is way funnier.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Lopen posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
There's no f***ing difference whatsoever. A contest result was affected by a few idiots on this board. It doesn't matter whether those idiots brought in 100 or 10,000 votes, it changed a match result and f***ed over everyone else's bracket.


Not really. Calling a match that was within 100 "right" was basically a coinflip. Those matches are so close they can change just based on the day of the week they're run. You get lucky or you don't. Calling a match wrong where your guy was up 10k before the rally is actually getting f***ed over because the wrong pick won.

It was only 'within 100' because of Tifa stuffing (admitted to in the last topic by Ofool or whatever) and the reddit threads. The hentai rallies were what changed Tifa suddenly hanging with X to her winning the match. X was coasting on his natural strength, and there's no way you can tell me that a post on a sub with like 300 total subscribers was more than the posts on the big Final Fantasy subreddits, and all the porno subs.
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KamikazePotato posted...
Leon has the unfortunate timing to come in after the match was over, and only gets to see post-meltdown Black Turtle instead of in-progress-meltdown Black Turtle. The latter is way funnier.


oh it's definitely more enjoyable when you don't have to experience it in the moment and you can view it all from a distance
Nanis23 posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
I'm not sure what the worst part of that match was:

You


Also Nanis with a late contender for post of the year.
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Lopen 11/15/2018 7:58:39 PM#295
KamikazePotato posted...
Are we going to ignore the actual numbers I just posted heavily implying that Tifa still wins even if you remove all rallies


This deserves to be repeated. Those registered vote totals are pretty damning. FF has been cleaning up in the anon votes this contest.
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
It was only 'within 100' because of Tifa stuffing (admitted to in the last topic by Ofool or whatever) and the reddit threads. The hentai rallies were what changed Tifa suddenly hanging with X to her winning the match. X was coasting on his natural strength, and there's no way you can tell me that a post on a sub with like 300 total subscribers was more than the posts on the big Final Fantasy subreddits, and all the porno subs.


Again, this doofus just sitting here ignoring the 1.9k view rally thread on the Mega Man subreddit.

Who wants the imaginary high ground now?
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LeonhartFour posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
but to sit there and pretend you're sitting on some imaginary moral highground compared to other people that did literally the exact same thing is disgusting


what am I even doing here?

I'm not the one trying to force people into a corner regarding rallies


LeonhartFour posted...

I mean if someone had rallied for Squall against Zelda and it was somehow big enough to flip the result I wouldn't have been happy about it
BKSheikah, my hat is off to you. Welcome to the Guru Champions Club
lol xstats
Would like to see if anyone will try and rally for Bowser at hentai subs. “Vote for Bowsette’s alter ego or she will get sucked off (the contest) by Kirby!”
LeonhartFour posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Leon has the unfortunate timing to come in after the match was over, and only gets to see post-meltdown Black Turtle instead of in-progress-meltdown Black Turtle. The latter is way funnier.


oh it's definitely more enjoyable when you don't have to experience it in the moment and you can view it all from a distance

Funny thing is I have BT on ignore and I still kept basically the whole meltdown by proxy. Think it was funnier that way because half the posts didn't get quoted, which means I got to fill in the blanks.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
creativename posted...
Would like to see if anyone will try and rally for Bowser at hentai subs. “Vote for Bowsette’s alter ego or she will get sucked off (the contest) by Kirby!”

Don't tempt me.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

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