squexa 11/16/2018 6:47:23 AM#451
Xeybozn posted...
How is this "Waifu factor" any different from TJF?


At least to me, Waifu factor has a more anime bent to it than TJF. Like I don't think Aloy benefits from Waifu factor since I barely see cosplay of her perhaps because of her less appealing Western design.
congrats to BKSheikah the BYIG guru
it just occurred to me that Frog = Magus probably suggests Luigi beats Auron pretty badly.

...Yep. Suggests Luigi wins with 54.89%.

Also, it's still real early so these could just be mostly troll votes but:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/switch/240025-pokemon-lets-go-pikachu

Doesn't look like Let's Go is gonna be worth much!
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Safer_777 11/16/2018 8:02:18 AM#454
Porn rallies yeah! This contest is legit!

Still on the leaderboard! Didn't expected that!

Came back from work, checked results.

1st match=I was expecting at least 55% for Ganon. Guess Vivi is legit.
2nd match=Pika doing as expected.
So why we exist? What happens when we stop existing?
Dante/Donkey Kong would have been a nail-biter

Who would have thought that pre-contest?
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Safer_777 11/16/2018 8:05:58 AM#456
Forget that! Would you have taken Zelda over Garrus with 85%?
So why we exist? What happens when we stop existing?
ZeldaTPLink 11/16/2018 8:06:39 AM#457
Not sure if I would have taken Link over Garrus with 85%.
Safer_777 11/16/2018 8:07:06 AM#458
Pretty much this. Damn!
So why we exist? What happens when we stop existing?
To be fair, Garrus is expected to get 26.39% against Zelda.
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swordz9 11/16/2018 8:08:51 AM#460
Poor Vivi. Only match left I really care about is Geralt/Auron and they happen to be the last two characters left I like too. At least one is guaranteed to advance. Guess we’re gonna see Link, Ganon and Zelda in the top 16 yikes. I didn’t think this site could possibly get more erect for LoZ, but I guess I was wrong
Safer_777 11/16/2018 8:09:40 AM#461
Nintendofaqs man. This will NEVER change.
So why we exist? What happens when we stop existing?
I guess I should have expected Breath of the Wild to boost the Zelda characters to new highs (though Ganon looks somewhat mortal) given it’s probably the biggest game released since these contests came out
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squexa 11/16/2018 8:11:47 AM#463
charmander6000 posted...
Dante/Donkey Kong would have been a nail-biter

Who would have thought that pre-contest?


I actually might have considered but for the wrong reasons. I thought the whole DmC Donte controversy would tank his popularity.

Even more absurd to me: would anyone have taken Sora > Crash with ~54-55%?
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squexa 11/16/2018 8:19:19 AM#464
LiquidOshawott posted...
I guess I should have expected Breath of the Wild to boost the Zelda characters to new highs (though Ganon looks somewhat mortal) given it’s probably the biggest game released since these contests came out


Well, it's still hard to tell whether how much Zelda's boosted vs how much her competition fell and it's dangerous to overreact and think Zelda's top a N9er, especially with Ganondorf looking good but not great.

I'm seeing tons of people in the Oracle taking Zelda over 65% on Aerith and I wonder if they understand the implications. I think if Zelda can actually put 65+% on Aerith, then she's beating Snake, since Snake can barely put 67% on Fox and his series has looked awful.
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ZeldaTPLink 11/16/2018 8:20:24 AM#465
At this point all we can do is embrace the LAW.
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
This board has never been anti-rallies.


you can't seriously think this if you saw all the s*** people were saying about rallies during the draven and undertale eras.

gotta agree with ulti (for once) that the backpedaling is f***ing real in these topics. you must think we all have amnesia if you're seriously trying to pass off this "nobody on the board was ever anti-rallies!" bulls***.

at least some people in here are consistent about rallies (like TRE) but yeah.
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ZeldaTPLink 11/16/2018 8:24:04 AM#467
I think there is a real distinction to be made between large rallies and small ones.

Most of us seem to be okay with rallies as long as they don't actually have the power of changing the outcome of matches between characters with a large strength difference between them.

Changing X vs Tifa is fine because at the end of the day, they are in the same level and both deserved to win. The problem would be if Tifa suddenly started posing a threat to Link or Mario.
I mean Zelda putting 65% on Aerith is purely based off of people taking Squall > Aerith which seems like a no brainer but maybe it isn't anymore.

If everything goes as expected we will see Zelda against Squall, Aerith, Auron, Snake and Sonic. So we should get a pretty good read on her at least as well as seeing how those FF characters now stack up.
ZeldaTPLink posted...
I think there is a real distinction to be made between large rallies and small ones.

Most of us seem to be okay with rallies as long as they don't actually have the power of changing the outcome of matches between characters with a large strength difference between them.

Changing X vs Tifa is fine because at the end of the day, they are in the same level and both deserved to win. The problem would be if Tifa suddenly started posing a threat to Link or Mario.


No

This is literal hypocrisy. If you were pro rally when Undertale and Draven were happening, and you supported yesterday, whatever. If you were at all against Undertale and Draven, and were celebrating yesterday because you had Tifa in your bracket, you are a complet and utter hypocrite
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I'm ok for minor rallies where we are talking swings of a few percent.I am not ok for rallies where they essentially have a limitless pool of strength where they can make the weakest competitor in the bracket beat the strongest.

There's a huge difference between the two.
ZeldaTPLink 11/16/2018 8:27:46 AM#471
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
I think there is a real distinction to be made between large rallies and small ones.

Most of us seem to be okay with rallies as long as they don't actually have the power of changing the outcome of matches between characters with a large strength difference between them.

Changing X vs Tifa is fine because at the end of the day, they are in the same level and both deserved to win. The problem would be if Tifa suddenly started posing a threat to Link or Mario.


No

This is literal hypocrisy. If you were pro rally when Undertale and Draven were happening, and you supported yesterday, whatever. If you were at all against Undertale and Draven, and were celebrating yesterday because you had Tifa in your bracket, you are a complet and utter hypocrite


We are allowed to like and dislike whatever we want.

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XIII_rocks 11/16/2018 8:29:02 AM#472
I don't think the board as a whole is anti-rally in the broadest sense - I think there was a very specific rally that brought the dregs of society to the board and that put a lot of people off.

L-Block was for the most part quite enjoyed. Not without dissent, of course, but everyone got the joke. Draven brought some real pieces of s*** here and then veered into shady territory with the Link match. And then that all got packaged together as "rallies suck" but if you separate it out, idk if it's about rallies as a concept or just the specific stuff that came with the Draven rally poisoning people against the idea.
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guffguy89 11/16/2018 8:29:07 AM#473
so Link vs Ganon? lol
Don't mind me. I'm just here for the contest.
hombad46 11/16/2018 8:29:43 AM#474
ShatteredElysium posted...
I'm ok for minor rallies where we are talking swings of a few percent.I am not ok for rallies where they essentially have a limitless pool of strength where they can make the weakest competitor in the bracket beat the strongest.

There's a huge difference between the two.


Pretty much this.
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XIII_rocks 11/16/2018 8:31:27 AM#475
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
This is literal hypocrisy. If you were pro rally when Undertale and Draven were happening, and you supported yesterday, whatever. If you were at all against Undertale and Draven, and were celebrating yesterday because you had Tifa in your bracket, you are a complet and utter hypocrite


Not even a little bit
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
I think there is a real distinction to be made between large rallies and small ones.

Most of us seem to be okay with rallies as long as they don't actually have the power of changing the outcome of matches between characters with a large strength difference between them.

Changing X vs Tifa is fine because at the end of the day, they are in the same level and both deserved to win. The problem would be if Tifa suddenly started posing a threat to Link or Mario.


this is fair. but this is NOT the way a lot of regulars were talking about rallies before. i was here for both draven and undertale and people were CONSTANTLY going "RALLIES SUCK ASS THEY'VE RUINED OUR CONTESTS" etc. - extha moreso than anyone else during undertale. this "oh, we were never anti-rallies!" thing is total revisionist history.
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ZeldaTPLink 11/16/2018 8:33:02 AM#477
That said I've come to think a large scale rally like Draven/Undertale is not something that can be engineered. It's more of a social phenomenum. It's a meme thing. Undertale was the most talked game of that 2-3 month period, and League was the most popular game in the world, never mind that both were helped by backlash against gameFAQs and general trolling mentality. You can't just force those things to happen, as shown by this contest's rally attempts. It takes a lightning in a bottle, it's something that just happens.

Sure with our votals we are still more susceptible to them, but they still need to happen in the first place, and they are hard. It's not like memes catch fire on demand, they need to be legit funny or engaging.

WIth that in mind I really don't think there is a problem with someone going to Reddit or whatever and starting a rally thread. Rallies have been done here since ever, and they are unlikely to flip any matches but the closest ones. When the next Draven happens, it will just happen, and we can't be blamed for causing it, nor for failing to prevent it.
ZeldaTPLink 11/16/2018 8:34:03 AM#478
Mr Lasastryke posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
I think there is a real distinction to be made between large rallies and small ones.

Most of us seem to be okay with rallies as long as they don't actually have the power of changing the outcome of matches between characters with a large strength difference between them.

Changing X vs Tifa is fine because at the end of the day, they are in the same level and both deserved to win. The problem would be if Tifa suddenly started posing a threat to Link or Mario.


this is fair. but this is NOT the way a lot of regulars were talking about rallies before. i was here for both draven and undertale and people were CONSTANTLY going "RALLIES SUCK ASS THEY'VE RUINED OUR CONTESTS" etc. - extha moreso than anyone else during undertale. this "oh, we were never anti-rallies!" thing is total revisionist history.


The thing is that this was directly linked to Draven and Undertale.

Rallies existed before Draven and Undertale and nobody gave a crap. They have been happening all contest this year and nobody does. We only care about the result.
LapisLazuli 11/16/2018 8:36:57 AM#479
Undertale rally was good because I wanted Undertale to win. Draven rally sucked because LoL sucks.

People should be more honest about their reasoning. Objectivity is rarely believable.
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XIII_rocks 11/16/2018 8:37:06 AM#480
Rallies aren't some grand principle

Nobody supporting Tifa has ever said "I despise rallies as a concept. On principle, I hate them." There's s***ty rallies and good rallies. Often "s***ty rallies" involve a character you dislike losing. But often it's because it's s***ty for the contest when Draven happens for instance.
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The point has already been made but yeah the boards were an abomination to read during those rallies. Partly from regulars whining, partly from new users trolling and generally being insufferable.

B8 is a pretty separated community and when people come in and s*** on the contests / the boards it's seen more as a personal attack on B8 rather than the site itself. Of course the outsiders don't know that, they just see it as gamefaqs as a whole and see our whining. None of them realize the small B8 community has been together for such a long time
ZeldaTPLink 11/16/2018 8:37:52 AM#482
I think the problem here is a linguistic one. Sure we all say rallies suck, but most of us aren't using the word "rally" on a broad sense. We are just butthurt because of Draven. But I feel like half of us don't have a problem, say, rallying on a Facebook group.

Heck, you ever asked your RL friend who doesn't normally come here to vote for a character? That's rallying too.

Actually this would be a good subject for a poll. Brb.
swordz9 11/16/2018 8:39:07 AM#483
Not gonna lie I thought all the Draven people posting about how buttdevastated we were was hilarious. All those butt variations were one of the most amusing things I’ve seen on the board since probably Best Ass In Gaming
Safer_777 11/16/2018 8:39:59 AM#484
I am for rallies myself. Big ones, small ones, medium ones, all are good!
So why we exist? What happens when we stop existing?
XIII_rocks 11/16/2018 8:41:03 AM#485
Mr Lasastryke posted...
this is fair. but this is NOT the way a lot of regulars were talking about rallies before. i was here for both draven and undertale and people were CONSTANTLY going "RALLIES SUCK ASS THEY'VE RUINED OUR CONTESTS" etc. - extha moreso than anyone else during undertale. this "oh, we were never anti-rallies!" thing is total revisionist history.


I would argue you are taking these words, said in anger, too literally. I think there's an implicit "these" at the start of that classically-Lasa, all-caps fake quote.

And taking the words of like 10 people doesn't mean "the board". The fact that you explicitly cite one single user should show that even these angrily exaggerated statements only came from a minority, so what Tsunami said originally is right.
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red sox 777 11/16/2018 8:42:12 AM#486
Rallies are good when they favor my favorite. If there was a way to pay $1,100 to buy 1,100 votes to make CT beat SSBM last contest you know I'd have done it!
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ZeldaTPLink 11/16/2018 8:43:31 AM#487
XIII_rocks 11/16/2018 8:51:02 AM#488
I mean

Rallies aren't a new thing either

Starcraft 04, Mario/Cloud 2002? They've always been a potentially match-swaying factor that everyone just accepted. There was nothing to be pro or anti. It was just a thing that people anticipated would happen.

The only thing that has changed recently is the size of the rallies. And that's quite clearly the point of contention, not rallies themselves.
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hombad46 11/16/2018 8:56:39 AM#489
XIII_rocks posted...
The only thing that has changed recently is the size of the rallies. And that's quite clearly the point of contention, not rallies themselves.


Exactly, it’s like calling someone a hypocrite for saying they like rain after a hurricane wrecked their house
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I'm probably in a tiny minority on that.
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Yuri_LowelI 11/16/2018 8:58:32 AM#491
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
I think there is a real distinction to be made between large rallies and small ones.

Most of us seem to be okay with rallies as long as they don't actually have the power of changing the outcome of matches between characters with a large strength difference between them.

Changing X vs Tifa is fine because at the end of the day, they are in the same level and both deserved to win. The problem would be if Tifa suddenly started posing a threat to Link or Mario.


No

This is literal hypocrisy. If you were pro rally when Undertale and Draven were happening, and you supported yesterday, whatever. If you were at all against Undertale and Draven, and were celebrating yesterday because you had Tifa in your bracket, you are a complet and utter hypocrite


Dude. Anyone is allowed to get rallies going. Minor rallies are fine because it attracts attention to the site

Major rallies rallying for joke characters like Draven just ruin everything

Tifa and x are boo household strong goals characters.

Why didn’t X fanboys rally for X?

There’s rallies going on in small form every contest. You don’t think Zelda fanboys go to dozens of Zelda sites to help link win every tournament?

Remember majoras mask and link vs cloud 2005?

It happens.
hombad46 11/16/2018 8:58:43 AM#492
The Owner of FF9 posted...
The only thing I was ever pissed about, and which I still consider a blemish on these things, is L-block.

I'm probably in a tiny minority on that.


Why L-Block but not Draven or Undertale?
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hombad46 11/16/2018 8:59:57 AM#493
Why didn’t X fanboys rally for X?


Excuse me? He was definitely rallied, he’s just not in enough porn I guess so it didn’t matter
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ZeldaTPLink 11/16/2018 9:00:06 AM#494
Yuri_LowelI posted...
Why didn’t X fanboys rally for X?


They did. Some people are overlooking that fact because there is something specifically immoral about going to a hentai site or whatever.
ZeldaTPLink 11/16/2018 9:02:17 AM#495
I should add an option to my poll saying "I support rallies as long as the people voting for the character do not engage in masturbation". Just for scientific purposes.
hombad46 posted...
The Owner of FF9 posted...
The only thing I was ever pissed about, and which I still consider a blemish on these things, is L-block.

I'm probably in a tiny minority on that.


Why L-Block but not Draven or Undertale?


Draven is actually a real character and Undertale is a non-joke game
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hombad46 11/16/2018 9:04:26 AM#497
ZeldaTPLink posted...
I should add an option to my poll saying "I support rallies as long as the people voting for the character do not engage in masturbation". Just for scientific purposes.

https://youtu.be/E3W86Lo8uaw
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Safer_777 11/16/2018 9:09:50 AM#498
Hentai.
So why we exist? What happens when we stop existing?
Anyone who says that the board liked the L-Block rally in 2007 is a liar or wasn't there.
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