xp1337 11/13/2018 5:02:12 PM#51
KanzarisKelshen posted...
I'm just...numb. Has it ever happened to you guys before? Feeling like there isn't any reason to care for the contests anymore?

yes

Draven and Undertale
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Jesus Christ Zelda. Was she even in BotW? I ask because I got pissed at the lack of dungeons and the durability mechanic and gave up after 5 hours
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LusterSoldier posted...
SuperNiceDog posted...
Zelda would pwn Crono so hard right now.


We haven't even seen Crono in action yet, so let's not jump to any conclusions on his potential strength before he has his first match this. Crono's match against Kirby/Bowser will give us an idea as to whether he can beat Cloud.

The Owner of FF9 posted...
So by "this contest," you meant the legends (winner's) bracket?


Both the Legends and Loser bracket.

So you don't think Zelda can beat Auron? Or you think Sonic will beat Snake.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...
This match...

Honestly, I have no words for this. I can't even feel angry. I just feel like I've lost something very valuable because the contests are probably not for me anymore. I feel so, so disconnected from this Squall/Zelda result. I don't even know what to do with this. I'm just...numb. Has it ever happened to you guys before? Feeling like there isn't any reason to care for the contests anymore?

Yes, this is me like 8 contests ago

Either learn to embrace stats or have repeated false hope for your favorite characters
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
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ZeldaTPLink 11/13/2018 5:03:55 PM#55
Dfy556 posted...
The Owner of FF9 posted...
Dfy556 posted...
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
Dfy556 posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
All MGS characters have looked like s*** in this contest and Zelda is looking like N9 right now.

Explain to me why can't Snake go back to being what he looked like pre-2013. And if so, why can't Zelda beat him.


Because he's Solid Snake? He's probably the biggest character from PlayStation that isn't Cloud


Based on what stats


Stats?

I have no idea what you're talking about. When I think popular playstation characters 8 think Cloud, Snake, Crash, Spyro, Squall... I don't have any stats dude, I played all the games. It's just my opinion based on how I feel about them

You've essentially walked into a Chicago sports bar and declared "LeBron is the GOAT!"


Lol. s***. I wasn't aware. I thought this was just casual conversation


Alright. Sorry for sounding arrogant.

In your defense Zelda has never looked anything close to Snake before. But Zelda is looking stronger than ever and all MGS characters are looking weaker than ever, so it's a cool theory.

That said:

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

If you want to understand contests, spend some time here.
xp1337 posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
I'm just...numb. Has it ever happened to you guys before? Feeling like there isn't any reason to care for the contests anymore?

yes

Draven and Undertale


Funny you mention those

Because like, you could say 'it's outside intervention' right? You could think, 'hey, if only we had a '''''real''''' contest this wouldn't happen'

But me? I can't. This IS what gamefaqs votes like. So like...how do you walk back from this? Make it better? I can't see a way, short of rally takeovers that will always by nature be temporary. And that's very depressing.
Shine on, you crazy diamond.
xp1337 11/13/2018 5:04:13 PM#57
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Jesus Christ Zelda. Was she even in BotW? I ask because I got pissed at the lack of dungeons and the durability mechanic and gave up after 5 hours

...yes
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Big Bob 11/13/2018 5:04:16 PM#58
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Jesus Christ Zelda. Was she even in BotW? I ask because I got pissed at the lack of dungeons and the durability mechanic and gave up after 5 hours

If you collect the memories, she's actually really prominent. Probably the most well-developed character in the game.
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snake_5036 11/13/2018 5:04:35 PM#59
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Jesus Christ Zelda. Was she even in BotW? I ask because I got pissed at the lack of dungeons and the durability mechanic and gave up after 5 hours

You don't know if Zelda was in the game where she's the very first character to speak to Link and the King explicitly tells you she is still in Hyrule Castle when you get the paraglider?
You felt your sins weighing down on your neck.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...
This match...

Honestly, I have no words for this. I can't even feel angry. I just feel like I've lost something very valuable because the contests are probably not for me anymore. I feel so, so disconnected from this Squall/Zelda result. I don't even know what to do with this. I'm just...numb. Has it ever happened to you guys before? Feeling like there isn't any reason to care for the contests anymore?


An out of nowhere upset that drastically changes the tiering of elite characters based solely on natural strength instead of bulls*** rallies is what kills the contest for you? This is the best result of the contest so far!

And to all the Snake naysayers, remember that he is also in smash, meaning if anything he should have also boosted again.
BKSheikah, my hat is off to you. Welcome to the Guru Champions Club
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KanzarisKelshen posted...
This match...

Honestly, I have no words for this. I can't even feel angry. I just feel like I've lost something very valuable because the contests are probably not for me anymore. I feel so, so disconnected from this Squall/Zelda result. I don't even know what to do with this. I'm just...numb. Has it ever happened to you guys before? Feeling like there isn't any reason to care for the contests anymore?


I feel the same Kanzaris. A useless character like Zelda killing Squall is so bad.

"save me!" that's all she does in those Z games. Pathetic.

Meanwhile Squall is saving the world in his game. Taking names and doing it with attitude. Being a leader. Giving brave speeches.
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ZeldaTPLink 11/13/2018 5:05:25 PM#63
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Jesus Christ Zelda. Was she even in BotW? I ask because I got pissed at the lack of dungeons and the durability mechanic and gave up after 5 hours


From what I heard this was the best Zelda ever.

Like, Leon said he didn't like Zelda before and now he's forced to admit he likes her and would vote for her in matches.
snake_5036 posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Jesus Christ Zelda. Was she even in BotW? I ask because I got pissed at the lack of dungeons and the durability mechanic and gave up after 5 hours

You don't know if Zelda was in the game where she's the very first character to speak to Link and the King explicitly tells you she is still in Hyrule Castle when you get the paraglider?

I don't remember that. Was she a ghost?
BKSheikah, my hat is off to you. Welcome to the Guru Champions Club
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ZeldaTPLink 11/13/2018 5:06:06 PM#65
SuperNiceDog posted...
"save me!" that's all she does in those Z games. Pathetic.


SuperNiceDog admits he has never played a Zelda game in his life.
The Owner of FF9 posted...
So you don't think Zelda can beat Auron? Or you think Sonic will beat Snake.


Zelda would definitely beat Auron based on today's match. I don't see Sonic being able to beat Snake.
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My contest ennui moment was all the way back in 2008 when a last minute Crono "rally" pushed him over Vincent, costing me a potential guru win (granted, this depends on Cloud beating Snake in that circumstance, but I think it would have happened).Since then I' just along for the ride. This is one of the greatest results.
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Dfy556 11/13/2018 5:06:29 PM#68
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Dfy556 posted...
The Owner of FF9 posted...
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Dfy556 posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Dfy556 posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
All MGS characters have looked like s*** in this contest and Zelda is looking like N9 right now.

Explain to me why can't Snake go back to being what he looked like pre-2013. And if so, why can't Zelda beat him.


Because he's Solid Snake? He's probably the biggest character from PlayStation that isn't Cloud


Based on what stats


Stats?

I have no idea what you're talking about. When I think popular playstation characters 8 think Cloud, Snake, Crash, Spyro, Squall... I don't have any stats dude, I played all the games. It's just my opinion based on how I feel about them

You've essentially walked into a Chicago sports bar and declared "LeBron is the GOAT!"


Lol. s***. I wasn't aware. I thought this was just casual conversation


Alright. Sorry for sounding arrogant.

In your defense Zelda has never looked anything close to Snake before. But Zelda is looking stronger than ever and all MGS characters are looking weaker than ever, so it's a cool theory.

That said:

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

If you want to understand contests, spend some time here.


I deleted my s***tier response. I'll take a look
https://i.imgtc.com/4RPYMux.gif

i made this one in case squall won. if Square Enix can recycle assets then so can I
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
This match...

Honestly, I have no words for this. I can't even feel angry. I just feel like I've lost something very valuable because the contests are probably not for me anymore. I feel so, so disconnected from this Squall/Zelda result. I don't even know what to do with this. I'm just...numb. Has it ever happened to you guys before? Feeling like there isn't any reason to care for the contests anymore?


An out of nowhere upset that drastically changes the tiering of elite characters based solely on natural strength instead of bulls*** rallies is what kills the contest for you? This is the best result of the contest so far!

And to all the Snake naysayers, remember that he is also in smash, meaning if anything he should have also boosted again.


Yes, because I feel completely unrepresented demographically, BT. That's kind of important to me.
Shine on, you crazy diamond.
xp1337 11/13/2018 5:07:21 PM#71
KanzarisKelshen posted...
xp1337 posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
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I'm just...numb. Has it ever happened to you guys before? Feeling like there isn't any reason to care for the contests anymore?

yes

Draven and Undertale


Funny you mention those

Because like, you could say 'it's outside intervention' right? You could think, 'hey, if only we had a '''''real''''' contest this wouldn't happen'

But me? I can't. This IS what gamefaqs votes like. So like...how do you walk back from this? Make it better? I can't see a way, short of rally takeovers that will always by nature be temporary. And that's very depressing.

No, I couldn't say that. In fact, if you read my posts in the stats topics during Undertale you can see that quite clearly.

Draven a bit less so, but only because Link gave the greatest contest performance in history but that was very much in spite of Draven.
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FSABot 11/13/2018 5:07:43 PM#72
_SecretSquirrel posted...
FSABot posted...
If Geralt is at 48% at the end of the hour he has enough room to win base on the last 2 rounds.

Geralt’s got one problem here. He’s not slaying in Europe like he was the last few rounds.


People take the country votes too seriously. People said he wouldn't gain in the day vote because his US vote was bad last 2 rounds
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snake_5036 11/13/2018 5:07:47 PM#73
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
I don't remember that. Was she a ghost?

No, she's alive. The King asks you to save her and says she's holding back Ganon from obtaining his full power in Hyrule Castle.
You felt your sins weighing down on your neck.
Dfy556 posted...
I deleted my s***tier response. I'll take a look

For the record, we're a bunch of stats nerds who study this stuff for fun in the same way that people get way too into Fantasy Football

Instead of Fantasy Football, it's Final Fantasy (vs. Nintendo)
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
WhiteLens 11/13/2018 5:08:27 PM#75
Kanz is just sad that the waifus are beating the husbandos this time around.

And Auron, because SOMEONE has to win a match between 2 husbandos.
Undertale is probably the only contest I've ever been able to enjoy on a 'fan' level, simply because something I actually like won for once.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
tgs2 11/13/2018 5:10:35 PM#77
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
This match...

Honestly, I have no words for this. I can't even feel angry. I just feel like I've lost something very valuable because the contests are probably not for me anymore. I feel so, so disconnected from this Squall/Zelda result. I don't even know what to do with this. I'm just...numb. Has it ever happened to you guys before? Feeling like there isn't any reason to care for the contests anymore?


An out of nowhere upset that drastically changes the tiering of elite characters based solely on natural strength instead of bulls*** rallies is what kills the contest for you? This is the best result of the contest so far!

And to all the Snake naysayers, remember that he is also in smash, meaning if anything he should have also boosted again.


Snake could have lost a step due to the whole Konami debacle and resulting backlash. Enough to drop him from #2 to #4/5 depending on Cloud's drop. Zelda's current performance has me thinking she could make it way too close for comfort.
Well that was a random-ass 50+ vote cut for Fox.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
xp1337 11/13/2018 5:13:26 PM#79
For the record, while I think Zelda > Snake would be hilarious, I think Snake is probably fine. Even if the rest of MGS looks bad (and ironically Zelda here is making The Boss look better) I imagine he'd be pretty insulated from that.

Kind of like Crono has been (mostly) insulated from Magus falling off a cliff in continuous slow motion since 2005.
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Dfy556 11/13/2018 5:13:52 PM#80
KamikazePotato posted...
Dfy556 posted...
I deleted my s***tier response. I'll take a look

For the record, we're a bunch of stats nerds who study this stuff for fun in the same way that people get way too into Fantasy Football

Instead of Fantasy Football, it's Final Fantasy (vs. Nintendo)


Lol, I can tell. I just remember through the years it always comes down to Link vs Cloud. Those two are bulletproof for whatever reason. But Snake always was strong, Crono too. I think I remember one year Sephiroth kicked everyone's ass though
ZeldaTPLink 11/13/2018 5:14:33 PM#81
I might pick Zelda out of fanboyism. But I still think Snake has it.
That was one heck of a cut. Wow.
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KamikazePotato posted...
Undertale is probably the only contest I've ever been able to enjoy on a 'fan' level, simply because something I actually like won for once.


Let us never forget the key difference between Draven and Undertale. Undertale was a fantastic game getting rallied out of sincere love, Draven was a toxic community invasion. Also Undertale won fair and square while there was nothing fair about that site outage.
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WhiteLens posted...
Kanz is just sad that the waifus are beating the husbandos this time around.

And Auron, because SOMEONE has to win a match between 2 husbandos.


I voted for bayonetta, that's not really a problem

It's specifically Squall's match. It really kills my enjoyment because I always loved the fact my favorite FF protagonist was very strong even if he wasn't the strongest. It made me happy to know he could always make some noise (before getting fed to Snake, forever, because...I don't know why, really). But this hurts because it indicates a downward spiral that is not reversible. Characters are not like sports teams, they don't have down years followed by rebounds - they weaken and weaken and weaken unless a very good and respected new game comes out to make them strong. And that's not going to happen for Squall because Final Fantasy is not that kind of franchise, so I have no reasonable way of clinging to hope that things will get better. It's a very bitter pill, really. Even if Mario (my other big beloved character) got the most unreal boost ever out of mario odyssey and scored 48% on Link, it wouldn't compensate the fact I know Squall's super finished now.

KamikazePotato posted...
Undertale is probably the only contest I've ever been able to enjoy on a 'fan' level, simply because something I actually like won for once.


I liked Draven winning just because I was involved with it, but Undertale making something happen was a very happy moment for me because that game literally helped me fix a years-old broken friendship. I guess the other shoe had to drop sometime, maybe?
Shine on, you crazy diamond.
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KamikazePotato posted...
Well that was a random-ass 50+ vote cut for Fox.

Probably some Discord rally or something.
If all else fails use fire.
LusterSoldier posted...
The Owner of FF9 posted...
So you don't think Zelda can beat Auron? Or you think Sonic will beat Snake.


Zelda would definitely beat Auron based on today's match. I don't see Sonic being able to beat Snake.

Wellllllll then it's very likely Zelda will face Sonic!
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PoIl6177 11/13/2018 5:17:19 PM#87
Lightning Strikes posted...
Also Undertale won fair and square while there was nothing fair about that site outage.

Except when Undertale was losing, so its Reddit mods sticked a thread saying "don't invade the GameFAQs contest"
9/2/2013, the day Reddit hacked GameFAQs
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ZeldaTPLink 11/13/2018 5:17:42 PM#88
Geralt is making this a match.
Lopen 11/13/2018 5:18:39 PM#89
This match isn't the most shocking of the contest imo, not even close. We were already primed for it between The Boss vs Zelda and Ganondorf vs Dante. I had Zelda with about 59%. She probably ends not too far off that.
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Not_Wylvane 11/13/2018 5:18:44 PM#90
KanzarisKelshen posted...
It's specifically Squall's match. It really kills my enjoyment because I always loved the fact my favorite FF protagonist was very strong even if he wasn't the strongest. It made me happy to know he could always make some noise (before getting fed to Snake, forever, because...I don't know why, really). But this hurts because it indicates a downward spiral that is not reversible. Characters are not like sports teams, they don't have down years followed by rebounds - they weaken and weaken and weaken unless a very good and respected new game comes out to make them strong. And that's not going to happen for Squall because Final Fantasy is not that kind of franchise, so I have no reasonable way of clinging to hope that things will get better. It's a very bitter pill, really. Even if Mario (my other big beloved character) got the most unreal boost ever out of mario odyssey and scored 48% on Link, it wouldn't compensate the fact I know Squall's super finished now.


Now I want to see the reaction of someone whose favorite character is Kefka.
Go Geralt!
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xp1337 11/13/2018 5:19:01 PM#92
I will forever hold a grudge against Undertale and Smash for ruining what looked to be an amazing CT/OoT match.

KanzarisKelshen posted...
Characters are not like sports teams, they don't have down years followed by rebounds - they weaken and weaken and weaken unless a very good and respected new game comes out to make them strong.

man too bad CT was stabbed in the back by rallies or we might have had the most incredible counter-example to this
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Not_Wylvane posted...
Now I want to see the reaction of someone whose favorite character is Kefka.

Kefka fans' reactions over the years:

https://media.tenor.com/images/d7af13ea3c50679a886d7aeaf2d0fdc0/tenor.gif
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Chrono Trigger is the only regret I have about I have about 2015.

Than again, this site deserved it for not letting Dark Souls break 30% on LTTP.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Not_Wylvane 11/13/2018 5:20:57 PM#95
Motherf***ers I learned this lesson in Two thousand f***ing three, get on my level.
KanzarisKelshen posted...
WhiteLens posted...
Kanz is just sad that the waifus are beating the husbandos this time around.

And Auron, because SOMEONE has to win a match between 2 husbandos.


I voted for bayonetta, that's not really a problem

It's specifically Squall's match. It really kills my enjoyment because I always loved the fact my favorite FF protagonist was very strong even if he wasn't the strongest. It made me happy to know he could always make some noise (before getting fed to Snake, forever, because...I don't know why, really). But this hurts because it indicates a downward spiral that is not reversible. Characters are not like sports teams, they don't have down years followed by rebounds - they weaken and weaken and weaken unless a very good and respected new game comes out to make them strong. And that's not going to happen for Squall because Final Fantasy is not that kind of franchise, so I have no reasonable way of clinging to hope that things will get better. It's a very bitter pill, really. Even if Mario (my other big beloved character) got the most unreal boost ever out of mario odyssey and scored 48% on Link, it wouldn't compensate the fact I know Squall's super finished now.

KamikazePotato posted...
Undertale is probably the only contest I've ever been able to enjoy on a 'fan' level, simply because something I actually like won for once.


I liked Draven winning just because I was involved with it, but Undertale making something happen was a very happy moment for me because that game literally helped me fix a years-old broken friendship. I guess the other shoe had to drop sometime, maybe?


Of course FF characters get new games, as well as rereleases. Squall has had a ton of appearances since FFVIII and I think those keeping the games and the characters relevant is part of why they have stayed strong. Lately though, honestly, Square has been a wreck. That company is in an absolute state right now, the worst since 2001, and I think it has reflected on their characters here.
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Lightning Strikes posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
WhiteLens posted...
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Kanz is just sad that the waifus are beating the husbandos this time around.

And Auron, because SOMEONE has to win a match between 2 husbandos.


I voted for bayonetta, that's not really a problem

It's specifically Squall's match. It really kills my enjoyment because I always loved the fact my favorite FF protagonist was very strong even if he wasn't the strongest. It made me happy to know he could always make some noise (before getting fed to Snake, forever, because...I don't know why, really). But this hurts because it indicates a downward spiral that is not reversible. Characters are not like sports teams, they don't have down years followed by rebounds - they weaken and weaken and weaken unless a very good and respected new game comes out to make them strong. And that's not going to happen for Squall because Final Fantasy is not that kind of franchise, so I have no reasonable way of clinging to hope that things will get better. It's a very bitter pill, really. Even if Mario (my other big beloved character) got the most unreal boost ever out of mario odyssey and scored 48% on Link, it wouldn't compensate the fact I know Squall's super finished now.

KamikazePotato posted...
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Undertale is probably the only contest I've ever been able to enjoy on a 'fan' level, simply because something I actually like won for once.


I liked Draven winning just because I was involved with it, but Undertale making something happen was a very happy moment for me because that game literally helped me fix a years-old broken friendship. I guess the other shoe had to drop sometime, maybe?


Of course FF characters get new games, as well as rereleases. Squall has had a ton of appearances since FFVIII and I think those keeping the games and the characters relevant is part of why they have stayed strong. Lately though, honestly, Square has been a wreck. That company is in an absolute state right now, the worst since 2001, and I think it has reflected on their characters here.

I agree, but wait, what happened in 2001? I feel like Square was going strong til FFXIII.
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Of course FF characters get new games, as well as rereleases. Squall has had a ton of appearances since FFVIII and I think those keeping the games and the characters relevant is part of why they have stayed strong. Lately though, honestly, Square has been a wreck. That company is in an absolute state right now, the worst since 2001, and I think it has reflected on their characters here.


Agreed

We had a thread discussing how much of a trash fire Square's been a little while ago over the cancellations to the FF15 DLCs

It's possible Squall might rebound once Square cleans up it's act

I hope that's true but man...it's gonna be a long, long wait, isn't it?
Shine on, you crazy diamond.
Not_Wylvane 11/13/2018 5:24:21 PM#99
In 2023 Master Hand will beat Squall.
pjbasis 11/13/2018 5:25:09 PM#100
The hope for Squall fans is to ride the Zelda train all the way imo.

We'll look back and say damn Squall held up well after all!

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