Lopen posted...
I have this weird feeling that Kirby would 55-45 Vivi this year.

Well Ganondorf probably beats Vivi, and Kirby would probably beat Ganondorf. I think both Vivi and Kirby are stronger than they were in 2010.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
OverlordHorizon posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Vivi has had the most jarring and sudden strength boost of any character in a long, long time. FF9 may be growing more appreciated over time, but going from this:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3829-chaos-division-round-3-kirby-vs-vivi

To this:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5246-character-battle-ix-division-8-round-2-mario-vs-vivi-vs

Is lunacy.

And I love it.

So he's winning because of... nostalgia?
Wow.

I'm not that surprised, it's just maybe I realize that I may be too old when Vivi is part of "nostalgia".

Is Pokemon part of "nostalgia" too?

Donkey Kong isn't nostalgia anymore... it's ancient history, I guess?

Well, Final Fantasy will turn 31 this December. Vivi came at a time when FF wasn't even a teenager yet.

It's not just us that are old. FF is old too!
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LeonhartFour 11/12/2018 10:28:16 AM#53
Speaking of Kirby, I've been trying to figure out what a "good" performance would be for him. Is it just being able to outdo Bowser? 2B and Phoenix have to be around the same strength level, right?
Safer_777 11/12/2018 10:45:34 AM#54
Obviously winning the whole thing!
So why we exist? What happens when we stop existing?
ZenOfThunder 11/12/2018 10:46:33 AM#55
i'd take Phoenix > 2B without much thought

i don't know why, i think it's B8 Vision
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Match CI: (9) Pokemon Trainer Red vs. (4) Big Boss

Current Contest Performance

Pokemon Trainer Red
Defeated Neptune, 75.32% - 24.68%
Defeated Sora, 50.90% - 49.10%

Big Boss
Defeated Ridley, 56.66% - 43.34%
Defeated Crash Bandicoot, 52.87% - 47.13%

Analysis

I had Big Boss not only winning this match, but the division in my bracket, but now I don’t think that is likely. Metal Gear characters have had a poor contest and while Ridley and Crash can be stronger it doesn’t feel right that they would be high mid-carders.

With that said, I’m not entirely convinced on Red’s strength either and if Big Boss does avoid dropping by more than a couple of points he could be in trouble. Regardless, with the way this division is going you may not need a whole lot of strength to be triumphant.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Big Boss > Sora

charmander6000’s Prediction: Pokemon Trainer Red wins, 54.61% - 45.39%




Match CII: (3) Alucard vs. (7) Kefka

Current Contest Performance

Alucard
Defeated Princess Peach, 56.81% - 43.19%
Defeated Yuna, 59.62% - 40.38%

Kefka
Defeated L-Block, 60.19% - 39.81%
Defeated Bomberman, 59.82% - 40.18%

Analysis

Last round, Alucard went and had one of the most impressive performances in his long contest career. Yuna is no pushover and Alucard easily won over her. To be honest, this division is probably wider open now than it was before the contest began.

Kefka didn’t look too well against Bomberman last round, but with relatively iconic characters performing well, perhaps he too is stronger. I still like Kefka’s chances at winning this match. I feel he is legit, with Terra looking good against Charizard in round 1. Kefka has always been a wildcard so trying to predict him is almost useless.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Kefka > Princess Peach

charmander6000’s Prediction: Kefka wins, 55.26% - 44.74%
CBX - Today's Winners: Ganondorf, Vivi, Zero, Yoshi
Score: 102/128
Match CIII: (1) 2B vs. (4) Bowser

Current Contest Performance

2B
Defeated Cayde-6, 77.80% - 22.20%
Defeated Ness, 53.72% - 46.28%

Bowser
Defeat Gordon Freeman, 77.39% - 22.61%
Defeated Charizard, 56.55% - 43.45%

Analysis

I have to give 2B some respect. Ness may not be the strongest character in the bracket, but he does have strength and given how poorly some of the newer characters have performed it is a breath of fresh air to see one perform well.

Of course, this still means she’s not going to defeat Bowser. He has had two great performances so far and he has one more shot to make his best case at winning this division next round. I do expect 2B to have a respectable performance, but Bowser should easily outdo his second-round performance.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Bowser > Ness

charmander6000’s Prediction: Bowser wins, 64.52% - 35.48%




Match CIV: (3) Phoenix Wright vs. (2) Kirby

Current Contest Performance

Phoenix Wright
Defeated Chris Redfield, 56.93% - 43.07%
Defeated Ike, 50.67% - 49.33%

Kirby
Defeated Guile, 74.54% - 25.46%
Defeated Isaac, 70.29% - 29.71%

Analysis

Thanks to registered user’s votes counting double Phoenix Wright was able to reach the third round for the first time in his career. His reward, a beating by Kirby.

Kirby has had a great first two rounds to the point where there is some chatter that he could be the strongest non-Noble Nine character. Personally, I think that’s a bit pre-mature, Guile was a new character while Isaac could have been hit by slight SFF. I think this match against Phoenix Wright will provide us with better information on Kirby’s strength and his chances at winning the division next round.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Kirby > Ike

charmander6000’s Prediction: Kirby wins, 64.25% - 35.75%
CBX - Today's Winners: Ganondorf, Vivi, Zero, Yoshi
Score: 102/128
snake_5036 11/12/2018 10:53:27 AM#58
ZenOfThunder posted...
i'd take Phoenix > 2B without much thought

whoa now
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As my bracket was a 5 minute bracket I only just noticed we are feeding Ganon to Link more than likely. Bracket placement has been good for the most part but that just seems like such a waste
hombad46 11/12/2018 11:19:01 AM#60
ShatteredElysium posted...
As my bracket was a 5 minute bracket I only just noticed we are feeding Ganon to Link more than likely. Bracket placement has been good for the most part but that just seems like such a waste

Someone had to be fed to Link, might as well be his nemesis. I'm looking forward to him getting SFF'd to hell and destroying Division 1's x-stats
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Good thing we have a loser's bracket. For the most part the x-stats will be relatively unharmed. The worst SFF match so far was Wario/Master Hand and even then I don't think it was that bad.

After that, Luigi/Tails could have some SFF as could Squall/Aerith (or Zelda/Fox) if the match happens.
CBX - Today's Winners: Ganondorf, Vivi, Zero, Yoshi
Score: 102/128
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Advokaiser 11/12/2018 11:35:25 AM#62
I'm cracking my head over Alucard/Kefka. Ahh!
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hombad46 11/12/2018 11:38:05 AM#63
charmander6000 posted...
Good thing we have a loser's bracket. For the most part the x-stats will be relatively unharmed. The worst SFF match so far was Wario/Master Hand and even then I don't think it was that bad.

After that, Luigi/Tails could have some SFF as could Squall/Aerith if the match happens.


Isn't Link the basis for x-stats? I was under the impression that they were what someone is projected to get against Link, so are you saying that we should ignore a direct result from putting someone against Link and just go with an indirect result via Loser's Bracket?
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hombad46 posted...
charmander6000 posted...
Good thing we have a loser's bracket. For the most part the x-stats will be relatively unharmed. The worst SFF match so far was Wario/Master Hand and even then I don't think it was that bad.

After that, Luigi/Tails could have some SFF as could Squall/Aerith if the match happens.


Isn't Link the basis for x-stats? I was under the impression that they were what someone is projected to get against Link, so are you saying that we should ignore a direct result from putting someone against Link and just go with an indirect result via Loser's Bracket?


The unadjusted stats will likely exclude the loser's bracket, so officially Ganondorf is going to finish low, should he win next round. However in the adjusted stats we'll likely adjust him to his performance in the loser's bracket rather than trying to use his 2013 (2010) stat.
CBX - Today's Winners: Ganondorf, Vivi, Zero, Yoshi
Score: 102/128
Nanis23 11/12/2018 11:42:32 AM#65
Yeah Alucard/Kefka sounds like a good match that was never discussed before the contest because..reasons (I guess it was because L-Block was in the way)

Also if Big Boss lose to Red...well, he really fell a long way
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ZeldaTPLink 11/12/2018 12:15:27 PM#66
ShatteredElysium posted...
As my bracket was a 5 minute bracket I only just noticed we are feeding Ganon to Link more than likely. Bracket placement has been good for the most part but that just seems like such a waste


That, and Zero maybe being fed to Mega Man too.

Meh.
im317 11/12/2018 12:24:26 PM#67
i thought Vivi is supposed to get a lot of strength as a representative of the Mage class in Final Fantasy in general? like some kind of proxy strength from people who have not played his game but have played an earlier FF game and enjoyed some mage in it.
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"L-Block, shaped like a boot to kick your ass"
So Warner Bros. just dropped a trailer for a live-action Detective Pikachu movie.

I don't think it'll affect this match since the type of people who would be "motivated" by such a thing are probably way too casual to have even heard of GameFAQs, but still, Pikachu got a trailer in the middle of one of his matches. I mean yes, Detective Pikachu is a specific character separate from the generic "Pikachu" of Pokémon games, kind of like how Captain Toad isn't the same as plain old Toad, but come on, you know that this would boost the more generalized Pikachu. I mean if you want to nitpick, very few Legend of Zelda games actually share a main character but they're all labeled under the blanket of "Link" here. You could argue that Mega Man enjoys the same benefit of drawing strength from multiple Mega Men even though he's supposed to only represent the original, and the fact that it took until Bacon took over for X to even get into a contest as a separate character suggests that CJayC at least intended as such.
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im317 posted...
i thought Vivi is supposed to get a lot of strength as a representative of the Mage class in Final Fantasy in general? like some kind of proxy strength from people who have not played his game but have played an earlier FF game and enjoyed some mage in it.


In some ways. His character design is very similar to the generic Black Mage from FFI (and to a lesser extent other games with a class system like FFIII and FFV). Most Final Fantasy games have characters with distinct roles, though, so it's really only the earliest games' mages.
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Nanis23 11/12/2018 12:32:10 PM#70
The "surprised Pikachu" would be a bigger boost than the trailer if the contest was 2 months ago tbh
If the trailer made a difference, it's very, very minimal, because it doesn't look like Pikachu gained anything from it
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im317 11/12/2018 12:42:17 PM#71
Nanis23 posted...
The "surprised Pikachu" would be a bigger boost than the trailer if the contest was 2 months ago tbh
If the trailer made a difference, it's very, very minimal, because it doesn't look like Pikachu gained anything from it


the question would be if it helps next round.
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hombad46 11/12/2018 12:52:46 PM#72
im317 posted...
Nanis23 posted...
The "surprised Pikachu" would be a bigger boost than the trailer if the contest was 2 months ago tbh
If the trailer made a difference, it's very, very minimal, because it doesn't look like Pikachu gained anything from it


the question would be if it helps next round.

If anything helps Pikachu next round it'll be Let's Go Pikachu releasing on match day. Yeah I know it's the least exciting main pokemon game ever but it's still a pokemon game so plenty of people are going to get it.
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charmander6000 posted...
hombad46 posted...
charmander6000 posted...
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Good thing we have a loser's bracket. For the most part the x-stats will be relatively unharmed. The worst SFF match so far was Wario/Master Hand and even then I don't think it was that bad.

After that, Luigi/Tails could have some SFF as could Squall/Aerith if the match happens.


Isn't Link the basis for x-stats? I was under the impression that they were what someone is projected to get against Link, so are you saying that we should ignore a direct result from putting someone against Link and just go with an indirect result via Loser's Bracket?


The unadjusted stats will likely exclude the loser's bracket, so officially Ganondorf is going to finish low, should he win next round. However in the adjusted stats we'll likely adjust him to his performance in the loser's bracket rather than trying to use his 2013 (2010) stat.


When I first saw the losers bracket literally the first thing I thought of was "x stats will be easier to crunch in case someone strong gets f***ed over by SFF"
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heroicmario 11/12/2018 1:09:44 PM#74
Detective Pikachu, Let's Go Pikachu, Smash Bros. cometh -- Zero is toast.

(...or none of it matters at all, because it isn't impacting people's opinion of Pikachu, buuuuut I'll choose to believe anyway!)
OK, I just watched that f***ing trailer and it ... actually looks like it will be funny? What is this? This movie looks like it might be good. WTF...
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Safer_777 11/12/2018 1:31:53 PM#76
Anything to boost Pika!
So why we exist? What happens when we stop existing?
Why is everyone so sure of Kefka beating Alucard? I honestly can't see Kefka beating Yuna, this should be another easy win for Alucard
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Safer_777 11/12/2018 1:36:39 PM#78
Yeah. And I had Yuna reaching the division finals too! Damn!
So why we exist? What happens when we stop existing?
I don't think "everyone" is so sure. Pretty sure Alucard is the favorite.

Kefka definitely can and would beat Yuna.
heroicmario 11/12/2018 1:42:01 PM#80
Does everyone think that? I would have guessed Alucard to be the favorite heading in. I'd be a little surprised if he lost.
Lopen 11/12/2018 1:45:38 PM#81
BlAcK TuRtLe likes to think all of his picks are new and exciting based off of nothing. Common problem.
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snake_5036 11/12/2018 1:45:46 PM#82
I'd take alucard over kefka without a second thought
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Advokaiser 11/12/2018 1:46:04 PM#83
I actually think Kefka will keep it closer than people would expect. Something along the 51-53% range.
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Guys, I found the reason for Pikachu's boost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du88WArjb8w

(EDIT: I probably should have read the thread to see that people beat me to it before posting. Oops.)
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Character Battle X
Current Score: 100/128 Kingdom Frauds
Match CI: (9) Pokemon Trainer Red vs. (4) Big Boss

Current Contest Performance

Pokemon Trainer Red
Defeated Neptune, 75.32% - 24.68%
Defeated Sora, 50.90% - 49.10%

Big Boss
Defeated Ridley, 56.66% - 43.34%
Defeated Crash Bandicoot, 52.87% - 47.13%

Analysis

I had Big Boss not only winning this match, but the division in my bracket, but now I don’t think that is likely. Metal Gear characters have had a poor contest and while Ridley and Crash can be stronger it doesn’t feel right that they would be high mid-carders.

With that said, I’m not entirely convinced on Red’s strength either and if Big Boss does avoid dropping by more than a couple of points he could be in trouble. Regardless, with the way this division is going you may not need a whole lot of strength to be triumphant.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Big Boss > Sora

charmander6000’s Prediction: Pokemon Trainer Red wins, 54.61% - 45.39%




Match CII: (3) Alucard vs. (7) Kefka

Current Contest Performance

Alucard
Defeated Princess Peach, 56.81% - 43.19%
Defeated Yuna, 59.62% - 40.38%

Kefka
Defeated L-Block, 60.19% - 39.81%
Defeated Bomberman, 59.82% - 40.18%

Analysis

Last round, Alucard went and had one of the most impressive performances in his long contest career. Yuna is no pushover and Alucard easily won over her. To be honest, this division is probably wider open now than it was before the contest began.

Kefka didn’t look too well against Bomberman last round, but with relatively iconic characters performing well, perhaps he too is stronger. I still like Kefka’s chances at winning this match. I feel he is legit, with Terra looking good against Charizard in round 1. Kefka has always been a wildcard so trying to predict him is almost useless.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Kefka > Princess Peach

charmander6000’s Prediction: Kefka wins, 55.26% - 44.74%
CBX - Today's Winners: Ganondorf, Vivi, Zero, Yoshi
Score: 102/128
Match CIII: (1) 2B vs. (4) Bowser

Current Contest Performance

2B
Defeated Cayde-6, 77.80% - 22.20%
Defeated Ness, 53.72% - 46.28%

Bowser
Defeat Gordon Freeman, 77.39% - 22.61%
Defeated Charizard, 56.55% - 43.45%

Analysis

I have to give 2B some respect. Ness may not be the strongest character in the bracket, but he does have strength and given how poorly some of the newer characters have performed it is a breath of fresh air to see one perform well.

Of course, this still means she’s not going to defeat Bowser. He has had two great performances so far and he has one more shot to make his best case at winning this division next round. I do expect 2B to have a respectable performance, but Bowser should easily outdo his second-round performance.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Bowser > Ness

charmander6000’s Prediction: Bowser wins, 64.52% - 35.48%




Match CIV: (3) Phoenix Wright vs. (2) Kirby

Current Contest Performance

Phoenix Wright
Defeated Chris Redfield, 56.93% - 43.07%
Defeated Ike, 50.67% - 49.33%

Kirby
Defeated Guile, 74.54% - 25.46%
Defeated Isaac, 70.29% - 29.71%

Analysis

Thanks to registered user’s votes counting double Phoenix Wright was able to reach the third round for the first time in his career. His reward, a beating by Kirby.

Kirby has had a great first two rounds to the point where there is some chatter that he could be the strongest non-Noble Nine character. Personally, I think that’s a bit pre-mature, Guile was a new character while Isaac could have been hit by slight SFF. I think this match against Phoenix Wright will provide us with better information on Kirby’s strength and his chances at winning the division next round.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Kirby > Ike

charmander6000’s Prediction: Kirby wins, 64.25% - 35.75%
CBX - Today's Winners: Ganondorf, Vivi, Zero, Yoshi
Score: 102/128
Lopen posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe likes to think all of his picks are new and exciting based off of nothing. Common problem.


The hell are you talking about? I'm referring to the 30 people in this and other topics that seem confident that Kefka is a high midcarder now, with no logical basis whatsoever. Alucard isn't even "my" pick, I had Yuna getting to round 4 here.
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
I'm referring to the 30 people in this and other topics that seem confident that Kefka is a high midcarder now, with no logical basis whatsoever.


I mean how many contests in a row does Kefka have to look good before we can conclude he actually is good now? This mind block people still have with Kefka is weird. Also, I don't think anyone's touting him as a "high midcarder," but he doesn't have to be one to beat Alucard either.

Now Kefka can still lose to Alucard, too, but it's not because he's garbage.
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Lopen 11/12/2018 3:03:15 PM#90
30 people? Charmander6000 with mice in his pockets?
No problem!
This is a cute and pop genocide of love!
Didn't you already post that, charmander? Or are my days just bleeding together because of long working hours?
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hombad46 11/12/2018 3:08:36 PM#92
The Owner of FF9 posted...
Didn't you already post that, charmander? Or are my days just bleeding together because of long working hours?

No it seems familiar to me too
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it's on the same page even

(assuming you're not a weirdo who doesn't use 50 posts per page)
Lopen 11/12/2018 3:10:11 PM#94
Like I'm not saying Kefka doesn't have supporters but you'd have to some sort of oppression complex to think Kefka is the favorite right now. Alucard is definitely the favorite. There's no place on this board that collects predictions I've seen where Alucard isn't made to be a slight favorite.

Simple ctrl + f on the oracle shows Alucard is leading Kefka at over 2-1 in predictions
Alucard is the favorite in spread betting with the spread at 51% Alucard
Alucard is the favorite in the analysis crew 4-1 (5 if you include me!)

But yeah, sure, "everybody" thinks Kefka's going to win.
No problem!
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Wreath 11/12/2018 3:11:17 PM#95
@charmander6000 please post your pics for the upcoming match
hombad46 11/12/2018 3:12:43 PM#96
LeonhartFour posted...
it's on the same page even

(assuming you're not a weirdo who doesn't use 50 posts per page)

Yep, sure is.
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I'd be pretty surprised if Alucard lost, and yeah, he does seem like the board favorite overall.
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snake_5036 11/12/2018 3:17:48 PM#99
The Owner of FF9 posted...
I'm a weirdo who uses 10 per. Always have.

You should try 50 out, if you haven't already.
You felt your sins weighing down on your neck.
LeonhartFour posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
I'm referring to the 30 people in this and other topics that seem confident that Kefka is a high midcarder now, with no logical basis whatsoever.


I mean how many contests in a row does Kefka have to look good before we can conclude he actually is good now? This mind block people still have with Kefka is weird. Also, I don't think anyone's touting him as a "high midcarder," but he doesn't have to be one to beat Alucard either.

Now Kefka can still lose to Alucard, too, but it's not because he's garbage.


Yeah, my initial reaction after Big Boss (my pick) looked so bad against Crash was that Kefka might actually be the favorite to win the division, but then I realized that Alucard was pulling in the same amount against Yuna that Kefka was against Bomberman. Kefka is stronger now, but unfortunately for him, Alucard seems to have regained much of his former strength.
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