tgs2 11/9/2018 3:14:13 PM#451
Seeing Auron only getting 55% on somone who only put up ~52% on Magus got me really excited for Sub-Zero's hopes. I then remembered that Auron basically 60-40d him in almost every damn contest the past decade. I wish I didn't

Nice to see Geralt recovering well. Gives me hope in him defeating Bayonetta.
LeonhartFour 11/9/2018 3:14:54 PM#452
pjbasis posted...
Usually these Factors are trying to describe things that bend the transitivity though.

Otherwise...it's not really worth talking about except to try to explain where a character's strength might come from. But there's no reason to think Tifa is strong because she's a girl anymore than to think Cloud is strong because he's not.


It kinda does though! Tifa regularly overperforms against female characters, including twice on Samus! Compare what she did to Chun-Li in 2013 to what Ganondorf did earlier this round.
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pjbasis 11/9/2018 3:18:11 PM#453
That's a lot of messy data between that can be explained in lots of other ways!
LeonhartFour 11/9/2018 3:20:10 PM#454
Or you can just use Occam's Razor

This is still a site that's 90%+ male and we still like hot video game girls. Tifa was the original hot video game girl for most of this site. You never forget your first love.
Wreath 11/9/2018 3:22:15 PM#455
LeonhartFour posted...
Or you can just use Occam's Razor

This is still a site that's 90%+ male and we still like hot video game girls. Tifa was the original hot video game girl for most of this site. You never forget your first love.


Speak for yourself man I dont crank it to anime
Samurai7 11/9/2018 3:23:10 PM#456
I don't think the simplest solution is finding special reasons for each characters unexpected performances to make them non transitive.
Conformity and rebellion...both ways are simple-minded--they are only for people who cannot cope with contradiction and ambiguity.
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LeonhartFour 11/9/2018 3:24:32 PM#457
I mean the simplest solution is that Tifa is just really strong and being hot is an intrinsic part of her strength

I don't think it's really that complicated of an answer at all

Hot SFF totally legit
Nanis23 11/9/2018 3:24:56 PM#458
LeonhartFour posted...
Tifa regularly overperforms against female characters

Boobs SFF?
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Samurai7 11/9/2018 3:28:02 PM#460
Sure and that's fine, but really it's just character design. Distinguishing it simply as TJF when we don't break down design in any other way just seems pointless unless you're trying to argue that TJF affects results in away that normal design doesn't. And if its affecting results differently from any other type of design that means it must be non transitive.
Conformity and rebellion...both ways are simple-minded--they are only for people who cannot cope with contradiction and ambiguity.
LeonhartFour 11/9/2018 3:28:47 PM#461
dude we made TJF up in 2002 when we were all 15 year olds and the X-Stats hadn't even been conceived yet

don't overthink it
Nanis23 11/9/2018 3:55:33 PM#462
5 minutes to know if MEWTWO IS A FRAUD or not
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SlugSh0t 11/9/2018 3:58:24 PM#463
whos voting for tifa? I know I am.
>_______________>
pjbasis 11/9/2018 3:58:25 PM#464
LeonhartFour posted...
dude we made TJF up in 2002 when we were all 15 year olds and the X-Stats hadn't even been conceived yet

don't overthink it


I hear that, but it's definitely getting thrown around as something more serious than it is sometimes.
LeonhartFour 11/9/2018 4:00:38 PM#465
Nanis23 11/9/2018 4:00:50 PM#466
Oh no
Fraud incoming
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SlugSh0t 11/9/2018 4:00:56 PM#467
hahahah mewtwo exposed cant even win with the board vote
>_______________>
Nanis23 11/9/2018 4:01:12 PM#468
And uh...I thought Luigi would be stronger than this
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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
davidponte 11/9/2018 4:01:18 PM#470
I thought MMX was a fraud too for a second there
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Wreath 11/9/2018 4:01:36 PM#471
Nanis23 posted...
And uh...I thought Luigi would be stronger than this


X > Luigi was always known
The CT board vote is always great.
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LeonhartFour 11/9/2018 4:01:42 PM#473
Samurai7 11/9/2018 4:02:06 PM#474
LeonhartFour posted...
dude we made TJF up in 2002 when we were all 15 year olds and the X-Stats hadn't even been conceived yet

don't overthink it


I was around in 2002 so I remember (although the account was bhunter88.... and I lost the password before the next contest so I made this account just to enter in 2k3).

That said, if people are treating it seriously I'll analyze it seriously.
Conformity and rebellion...both ways are simple-minded--they are only for people who cannot cope with contradiction and ambiguity.
SwiftyDC 11/9/2018 4:02:17 PM#476
CT is strong!
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Feeling good about Tifa winning the division right now!
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Janus5k 11/9/2018 4:02:28 PM#478
Lower thine guard etc.
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Wreath 11/9/2018 4:02:33 PM#479
KamikazePotato posted...
Feeling good about Tifa winning the division right now!


What
SlugSh0t 11/9/2018 4:02:35 PM#480
who the hell votes luigi seriously? he's always been a fraud next to mario
>_______________>
Nanis23 11/9/2018 4:02:39 PM#481
Yeah ok Tifa is totally killing Mewtwo
What the f***
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LeonhartFour 11/9/2018 4:03:21 PM#482
Samurai7 posted...
That said, if people are treating it seriously I'll analyze it seriously.


well people are treating it seriously in the sense that being an attractive girl is a part of someone like Tifa's strength
It's the middle of the ASV folks. Let's goooooooo Frog!
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davidponte 11/9/2018 4:03:35 PM#484
This simultaneously confirms Sephiroth > Luigi and Luigi not even getting to that point.
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FSABot 11/9/2018 4:03:37 PM#485
Maybe people are finally getting tired of all these Pokemans
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Wreath 11/9/2018 4:04:15 PM#486
davidponte posted...
This simultaneously confirms Sephiroth > Luigi and Luigi not even getting to that point.


X > Sephiroth tho
Nanis23 11/9/2018 4:04:49 PM#487
Guess I was wrong for calling out Charmander's prediction % on Mewtwo being too low
Wow this is so pathetic
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im317 11/9/2018 4:05:10 PM#488
nah Ryu>Sephiroth
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Mewtwo is not a fraud, Tifa > Link!
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Mewtwo literally a bigger fraud than anyone predicted
Samurai7 11/9/2018 4:06:50 PM#492
LeonhartFour posted...
Samurai7 posted...
That said, if people are treating it seriously I'll analyze it seriously.


well people are treating it seriously in the sense that being an attractive girl is a part of someone like Tifa's strength


eeeh they were treating it seriously like it was the only thing bayonetta should've needed to win.
Conformity and rebellion...both ways are simple-minded--they are only for people who cannot cope with contradiction and ambiguity.
Great job Tifa

What is Luigi doing
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Averia 11/9/2018 4:07:35 PM#494
So
Pikachu > Red > Fraudizard > Fraud^Two ?
Predicting Mewtwo at least finishes above 40. Tifa's board vote is not bad and I honestly dont remember Pokemons being that great.
tennisboy213 posted...
Mewtwo literally a bigger fraud than anyone predicted

This is about where I figured he'd be on a Yoga that is going to get blown out by X, especially after Charizard and Pikachu looked like s***
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Haste_2 11/9/2018 4:08:30 PM#497
Dang Mewtwo. I didn't expect the guy to win, but to be this weak? Looks like he's not only a fraud, but he's fallen in strength, too. Probably couldn't even get 60% on Phoenix anymore!
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_Dog_ 11/9/2018 4:08:45 PM#498
Mewtwo = turd of the round?
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LeonhartFour 11/9/2018 4:08:46 PM#499
CaptainOfCrush posted...
Predicting Mewtwo at least finishes above 40. Tifa's board vote is not bad and I honestly dont remember Pokemons being that great.


Tifa's board vote was pretty bad last round!

Pokemon has been one of the most frontloaded entities this contest.
I remember someone saying pre-contest that Pikachu and Red would be legit while Mewtwo and Charizard would be frauds. Oh how right he was...

Still kicking myself for not taking Red > Sora; I saw that s*** coming but chickened out.
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