Also, I always start enjoying the contest more once we get to round 2 because we start being able to develop X-Stats and compare the characters to each other better. Plus, most of the fodder is gone, too.

I'm kind of curious to see if SBAllen intends to post bracket numbers for every single character for every single match. The final matches will end up being pretty long lists...!
Division 8, Round 1

Sephiroth vs. Albert Wesker
Registered Vote Result:
Sephiroth - 6601 (70.07%)
Albert Wesker - 2819 (29.93%)

Anonymous Vote Result:
Sephiroth - 7198 (70.67%)
Albert Wesker - 2987 (29.33%)

Richter Belmont vs. Captain Falcon
Registered Vote Result:
Richter Belmont - 3566 (37.85%)
Captain Falcon - 5855 (62.15%)

Anonymous Vote Result:
Richter Belmont - 4364 (42.85%)
Captain Falcon - 5821 (57.15%)

Amaterasu vs. Draven
Registered Vote Result:
Amaterasu - 8267 (87.77%)
Draven - 1152 (12.23%)

Anonymous Vote Result:
Amaterasu - 9050 (88.86%)
Draven - 1135 (11.14%)

Lara Croft vs. Metal Man
Registered Vote Result:
Lara Croft - 6434 (68.30%)
Metal Man - 2986 (31.70%)

Anonymous Vote Result:
Lara Croft - 6838 (67.14%)
Metal Man - 3347 (32.86%)

Wesker does do a little bit better among registered users, but there wasn't too much difference between registered and anonymous users. Sephiroth and Wesker are pretty similar characters, especially in their trends too.

Falcon has a 5 point advantage with registered users, which is up there with some of the other extreme splits we've seen. Richter might have been announced for Smash, but Falcon is clearly an established Smash character while Richter is still mostly relying on the Castlevania fanbase since Ultimate is not out yet. Sephiroth/Falcon should be very interesting next round in the voting splits.

Draven does about 1% better with registered users, but this wasn't too unexpected after Sans. Registered users are much more familiar with Draven from his contest run in 2013.

Extra info - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1O1QuDMeK4VhHOia7bdBgtVp_F3kRTnGkkjtR0zRyudw/pub
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So Richter breaks 40% if the registered votes didn't count double? Lopen redeemed
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
ninkendo posted...
... and quiet isn't very attractive in the first place)

Well this is objectively not true.
Character Battle X
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scaryice 11/2/2018 8:05:43 PM#205
_SecretSquirrel posted...
Maybe we really should try to get Diddy in next year. Donkey finally handed off his choke resume to a worthy successor, and K Rool of all characters now a solid midcarder thanks to Smash.


No more Nintendo characters, please.

BTW, Draven did end up getting shut out in North Dakota.
Congrats to BKSheikah, the new Guru champ! Not that I'm bitter or anything...
abdou 11/2/2018 8:19:22 PM#206
LeonhartFour posted...
It's kind of sad seeing some of these characters who used to be strong now struggling to beat low tier Nintendo characters just because of Smash.

I mean Nintendo winning most of the matches is normal but it feels like it's been taken to a new level because so many other characters have fallen off in the last five years.

it also makes me angry at the Mass Effect fanbase for being so bad because Shepard should've been a strong character for years to come and now the series is dead


why are you angry at the fanbase and not EA/Bioware? if ME3 and Andromeda were as good as ME1 and ME2, the series would still be alive and Shepard would still be relevant. Instead we got a mediocre end to the trilogy (ME3) and an abomination (Andromeda). EA/Bioware killed the series. They didn't even have the decency to give us a ME:Trilogy remaster for PS4/X1.
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Lopen 11/2/2018 8:19:58 PM#207
KamikazePotato posted...
So Richter breaks 40% if the registered votes didn't count double? Lopen redeemed


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSTN3mHEAOA
No problem!
This is a cute and pop genocide of love!
LusterSoldier posted...
Richter Belmont vs. Captain Falcon
Registered Vote Result:
Richter Belmont - 3566 (37.85%)
Captain Falcon - 5855 (62.15%)

Anonymous Vote Result:
Richter Belmont - 4364 (42.85%)
Captain Falcon - 5821 (57.15%)

Wow, 5 points. Seph might look pretty damn bad next round.

LusterSoldier posted...
Amaterasu vs. Draven
Registered Vote Result:
Amaterasu - 8267 (87.77%)
Draven - 1152 (12.23%)

Anonymous Vote Result:
Amaterasu - 9050 (88.86%)
Draven - 1135 (11.14%)

Traitors among us...!
Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge!
now that the kiddies are asleep time for k. rool to dominate
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Team Rocket Elite 11/2/2018 8:23:27 PM#210
Look at the Sonic fans. Sonic fans have been willing to stand by Sonic no matter what and sometime their series lives on. Mass Effect was put on life support after one game and essentially killed by a second. That was how much patience the fanbase had for a serious they supposedly loved.
This was not the best year for my bracket.
Congrats to BK_Sheikah00 for winning the BYIG Guru Contest!
abdou posted...
if ME3 and Andromeda were as good as ME1 and ME2, the series would still be alive and Shepard would still be relevant.


I mean

ME3 > ME2 > MEA > ME1

so this just isn't true

abdou posted...
They didn't even have the decency to give us a ME:Trilogy remaster for PS4/X1.


good grief why should they ever give this fanbase anything ever again
i, for one, am shocked that the fanbase of a space series is awful. this has never happened before.
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Mass Effect 3 is a fantastic game. I'd easily take it over the first.
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WarThaNemesis2 posted...
i, for one, am shocked that the fanbase of a space series is awful. this has never happened before.

I know, trekkies are so annoying.
Character Battle X
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Team Rocket Elite 11/2/2018 8:28:34 PM#215
I mean even Star Wars fans largely showed up for Episode 3 even after Episode 1 and 2.
This was not the best year for my bracket.
Congrats to BK_Sheikah00 for winning the BYIG Guru Contest!
I'm in the camp of blaming both the fanbase and EA/BioWare.

I adored ME3 (it's my game of the generation), and while I wasn't particularly satisfied with the original ending, the incessant whining and hyperbolic vitriol about it for months on end definitely soured me on the community. The game isn't perfect, but that didn't warrant what felt like the biggest collective tantrum in the history of the medium.

Conversely, I feel that EA and BioWare deserve every ounce of the criticism leveled at Andromeda. It's easily the most disappointing game I've ever played, and while it has its merits (I'd rank Jaal higher than all but four or five squad members from the original trilogy), the overall package felt shockingly incompetent and uninspired.

I was hoping the latter wouldn't affect Shepard and Garrus in the contest, given that they aren't in the game at all, but it seems I was mistaken.
"In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world." - John 16:33
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XIII_rocks 11/2/2018 8:32:28 PM#217
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
i, for one, am shocked that the fanbase of a space series is awful. this has never happened before.


Literally made this exact point in the fanbase topic the other day tbh
Not to be confused with XIII_Stones.
abdou 11/2/2018 8:32:40 PM#218
LeonhartFour posted...
abdou posted...
if ME3 and Andromeda were as good as ME1 and ME2, the series would still be alive and Shepard would still be relevant.


I mean

ME3 > ME2 > MEA > ME1

so this just isn't true

abdou posted...
They didn't even have the decency to give us a ME:Trilogy remaster for PS4/X1.


good grief why should they ever give this fanbase anything ever again


well they are giving us a lame Destiny rip off and I am looking forward to not buying it.
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XIII_rocks 11/2/2018 8:32:44 PM#219
The lack of a PS4 trilogy remaster does suck though
Not to be confused with XIII_Stones.
There really is something in sci-fi that causes abominable fandoms.
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UltimaterializerX posted...
There really is something in sci-fi that causes abominable fandoms.


For whatever reason, it generates huge passion, which is good when things are going great.

But when anything is even slightly bad, hoo boy.
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_Dog_ 11/2/2018 8:51:11 PM#222
LeonhartFour posted...
It's kind of sad seeing some of these characters who used to be strong now struggling to beat low tier Nintendo characters just because of Smash.

I mean Nintendo winning most of the matches is normal but it feels like it's been taken to a new level because so many other characters have fallen off in the last five years.

it also makes me angry at the Mass Effect fanbase for being so bad because Shepard should've been a strong character for years to come and now the series is dead

If Shepard holds the lead, Nintendo characters will be 19-9 this first round. It's not as drastic as it seems (though Nintendo characters were 16-2 at one point).
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Well, even if characters like Dedede and K. Rool lose, just the fact that these matches were even close is still kind of bothersome.
A big part of it is HOW Nintendo has looked in the process.

Master Hand and DK dominated opponents that should have at least been somewhat competitive. Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing (vs. pseudo-Nintendo), and Peach were the only times Nintendo wasn't at least in the thick of things.

DeDeDe, who might not even be in the top 30 Nintendo characters, was competitive with the third-tier of Metal Gear Solid.

King K. Rool, who might not even be in the top 40, is currently in a close fight with possibly(?) the 2nd-strongest Western character.

Nintendo is looking completely dominant, in a bracket with their top 3 temporarily gone.
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I don't think any of those games are comparable to the way the ME fanbase reacted.

I'm not saying BioWare is completely absolved of blame, but the fanbase has to take a big share of it.
Captain_Sorzo posted...
I'm in the camp of blaming both the fanbase and EA/BioWare.

I adored ME3 (it's my game of the generation), and while I wasn't particularly satisfied with the original ending, the incessant whining and hyperbolic vitriol about it for months on end definitely soured me on the community. The game isn't perfect, but that didn't warrant what felt like the biggest collective tantrum in the history of the medium.


Are you for real?

BioWare (specifically Casey Hudson) blatantly lied during the marketing of Mass Effect 3. He explicitly promised that the ending wouldn't be like just choosing A, B, or C, and that's exactly what happened. They cut so many corners that basically no decision made in any of the games had a meaningful impact on anything that went on in ME3.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind" -Albert Einstein
Hello Hello posted...
They cut so many corners that basically no decision made in any of the games had a meaningful impact on anything that went on in ME3.


I mean if by "anything" you only mean the ending sure

but your choices definitely had an impact on how some of those arcs finally resolved
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LeonhartFour posted...
Hello Hello posted...
They cut so many corners that basically no decision made in any of the games had a meaningful impact on anything that went on in ME3.


I mean if "anything" you only mean the ending sure

but your choices definitely had an impact on how some of those arcs finally resolved

No, I mean just plain anything.

Mass Effect 3 spoilers: Absolutely nothing you do matters. Is Mordin dead? His assistant replaces him. Is the assistant dead too? Someone replaces him. It all plays out the same way.

It doesn't matter who lives or dies. The same series of events will always happen with slightly different dialogue. It doesn't matter.

These fake choices don't even really impact the ending through the game's garbage war score system because you could max out your war score just by playing multiplayer.


The founders of BioWare were right to resign after ME3 turned out to be a disaster.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind" -Albert Einstein
There are some choices you're absolutely locked out of making or some events that you're locked out of seeing if you made certain choices in ME1 or 2.

I mean if you were expecting a million permutations of every scene I'm sorry
LeonhartFour posted...
There are some choices you're absolutely locked out of making or some events that you're locked out of seeing if you made certain choices in ME1 or 2.

I mean if you were expecting a million permutations of every scene I'm sorry

Give me specific examples of choices you think that mattered and I will tell you exactly why you are wrong.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind" -Albert Einstein
Hello Hello posted...
Give me specific examples of choices you think that mattered and I will tell you exactly why you are wrong.


wow how could I pass up such a thrilling opportunity
abdou 11/2/2018 9:11:29 PM#233
LeonhartFour posted...
I don't think any of those games are comparable to the way the ME fanbase reacted.

I'm not saying BioWare is completely absolved of blame, but the fanbase has to take a big share of it.


No, the fanbase is not to 'blame'. Bioware made a game, fans didn't like it. End of story. It's the developer's responsibility to make a good game that the fans want, they are selling us the game. They want us to pay money for their product. If you go to a restaurant and not like the food, do you blame yourself for not liking the food or the restaurant for not making the food good enough?
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I blame the fans for getting a restaurant shut down that I thought was making great food.
_Dog_ 11/2/2018 9:13:16 PM#235
Anyways, here are the first round results for Nintendo:

Ganondorf vs Neku - (1-0)
Tidus vs. Donkey Kong - (2-0)

Noctis vs. Master Hand - (3-0)
Monika vs. Wario - (4-0)
Yoshi vs. Shantae - (5-0)
Pikachu vs. Scorpion - (6-0)

Neptune vs. Red - (7-0)
Big Boss vs. Ridley - (7-1)
Alucard vs. Peach - (7-2)

Shadow vs. Ness - (8-2)
Terra vs. Charizard - (9-2)
Bowser vs. Gordon - (10-2)
Ike vs. Joel - (11-2)
Estelle vs Isaac - (12-2)
Kirby vs. Guile - (13-2)

Zelda vs. Ezio - (14-2)
Jill vs. Fox - (15-2)
Shovel Knight vs Captain Toad - (16-2)
Waluigi vs Aeris - (16-3)

Geralt vs. Rosalina - (16-4)
Auron vs. Lucina - (16-5)
Shulk vs. Sub-Zero (16-6)

Luigi vs. Edgeworth - (17-6)
GlaDOS vs. Mewtwo - (18-6)
Dedede vs. Ocelot - (18-7)
X vs. Isabelle - (18-8)

Richter vs. Falcon - (19-8)
Shepard vs. K. Rool - (19-9)

Oddly, there are no Nintendo vs. Nintendo matches in the first round (though X could be considered quasi-Nintendo). They've actually lost more matches than they've won in the past few days, some like Lucina, Shulk and Isabelle doing quite badly.

It'll be interesting to see how the next rounds turn out.

Edit: seems like K. Rool isn't quite done. Admittedly, 20-8 sounds a lot more impressive than 19-9.
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abdou 11/2/2018 9:13:51 PM#236
Well that's just silly.
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Well, the last few divisions have been filled with largely lower tier Nintendo characters except for Luigi and Mewtwo.
LeonhartFour posted...
Hello Hello posted...
Give me specific examples of choices you think that mattered and I will tell you exactly why you are wrong.


wow how could I pass up such a thrilling opportunity

Okay, so your story is that the choices matter but you can't think of a single example of a choice that mattered.

Congrats on failing to persuade me with your highly non-persuasive argument. Cheers~
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind" -Albert Einstein
abdou posted...
Well that's just silly.


sorry man

that's the end of my story
Hello Hello posted...
Congrats on failing to persuade me


yes I could tell you were very open to opinions from the other side from your posts

I'm sorry I failed you
"I will tell you why you are wrong no matter what you say"

"I am not going to waste my time when you already said you won't listen to what I said"

"HA THIS PROVES YOU ARE FULL OF IT"
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RIP Paul Bearer. Ohhhh nooooo. :(
oh my god i am taking leon's side in an argument

what has happened
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RIP Paul Bearer. Ohhhh nooooo. :(
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
i am taking leon's side in an argument

what has happened


if this isn't the greatest indictment of the ME fanbase I don't know what is
LeonhartFour posted...
yes I could tell you were very open to opinions from the other side from your posts

I'm sorry I failed you


Not all opinions are equal. Some are based on people's imaginations (your arguments in favour of ME3) and some are based on evidence (my arguments against ME3).

Congrats on being the BioWare equivalent of a Flat Earther.
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind" -Albert Einstein
abdou 11/2/2018 9:17:21 PM#245
LeonhartFour posted...
abdou posted...
Well that's just silly.


sorry man

that's the end of my story


Oh I understand, we both want more ME but put blame different sides for the series's demise. It sucks either way.
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Hello Hello posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
There are some choices you're absolutely locked out of making or some events that you're locked out of seeing if you made certain choices in ME1 or 2.

I mean if you were expecting a million permutations of every scene I'm sorry

Give me specific examples of choices you think that mattered and I will tell you exactly why you are wrong.

The class you play in multiplayer.

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Hello Hello posted...
Not all opinions are equal. Some are based on people's imaginations (your arguments in favour of ME3) and some are based on evidence (my arguments against ME3).


I really want to believe you don't actually believe what you're saying.
I think maybe for ME3 the restaurant customers had an unreasonable expectation for how good the food should be and the food was actually plenty good
For your BK_Sheikah00.
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and while we've been arguing about this Shepard has lost the lead

*sigh*
snake_5036 11/2/2018 9:21:42 PM#250
One vote barrier is BACK
You felt your sins weighing down on your neck.

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