Bayonetta had room to improve from being weak. She was introduced to a lot of people for the first time, and much more importantly then Smash, her games were also ported to the Wii U and Switch. She's an adopted Nintendo character at this point.

Cloud is nothing to the Nintendo fanbase, Smash or otherwise. He was and will always be an outsider. If you think that the contestgoers on this site are going to stop anti-voting Cloud just because he was released as 3rd Party DLC #7 in Smash Bros, you're going to be very disappointed.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
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LMAO FF characters
Communists
LeonhartFour posted...
man Ulti is on fire against all these straw men right now

No. Persona fans are the whinest people in the history of these contests in proportion to how much their series actually matters.
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aw yeah Joker let's do this

they'll never see it COMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN'
davidponte 10/29/2018 5:25:44 PM#305
Vincent pls
The final Undisputed Champion in UCA history.
kill me fam
does anyone even read this
Bolto4 10/29/2018 5:26:02 PM#307
LOL go Magus

Joker finally deciding to start taking part in this match
Janus5k 10/29/2018 5:26:03 PM#308
cuts from Magus and Joker

this is the content I crave
"Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything."
Magus winning this would be worth the contest price of admission, holy crap. And I don't even like Magus.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
then he should be DESTROYING a second rate character from a dead series.


in what universe is RE a dead series?

Claire's the most relevant now that she's been in years with the RE2 remake coming out.
For your BK_Sheikah00.
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hmm will we have two nailbiters today?
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LeonhartFour posted...
aw yeah Joker let's do this

they'll never see it COMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN'

He’s a 2 seed. Why isn’t he DOMINATING this poll if your series is sooooo popular?
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Not_Wylvane 10/29/2018 5:27:13 PM#313
Not_Wylvane posted...
lmao, all this f***ing drama about Joker’s name, and it turns out it didn’t matter as even with the name he’s still losing.

Welp, looks like I was wrong!
KamikazePotato posted...
And I don't even like Magus.

KP

Get out
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2Dover3D 10/29/2018 5:27:21 PM#315
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
Where would one go to actually rally for Magus?


I think it would be tough to rally for him cuz people who like edgelord characters would probably be split between the two
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LeonhartFour posted...
man Ulti is on fire against all these straw men right now


When is he ever not? I love most of his PCAs, even the ones where he calls me out for my idiocy in 2010 (I deserved it), but some of them are really cringy. The Neku/Vaas/Catherine match in 2013 for example.
"Someday I'll catch up, and then you'll all be surprised!"
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If Joker didn't have his name he would be getting bulldozed right now.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Did everyone here forget that Shulk is in Smash?
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Current Score: 37/44 Captain Joker Toad Amamiya
The Owner of FF9 posted...
Did everyone here forget that Shulk is in Smash?


fighting game SFF

I guess Smash is a fighting game after all
pjbasis 10/29/2018 5:28:45 PM#321
ExThaNemesis posted...

Coz I'm LOVING my Cloud > Mario pick.


That's like a 6:4 mu mario is toast
The Owner of FF9 posted...
Did everyone here forget that Shulk is in Smash?

Yeah and 40% on Sub-Zero is a marked improvement on 33% on Altair

People are just really scared of Nintendo this year
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
The Owner of FF9 posted...
Did everyone here forget that Shulk

Yes
Communists
trogita 10/29/2018 5:29:04 PM#324
Joker name must be confusing fans. They think he's from Bat Man.
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
man Ulti is on fire against all these straw men right now


When is he ever not? I love most of his PCAs, even the ones where he calls me out for my idiocy in 2010 (I deserved it), but some of them are really cringy. The Neku/Vaas/Catherine match in 2013 for example.

But the name not being Joker was the ONLY thing holding him back. It was fixed.

Claire’s picture is trash. As a result, Joker should be destroying this poll.
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pjbasis posted...
That's like a 6:4 mu mario is toast


f*** yes he is aerials for days buster sword upside ya dome genkai wo koeru
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KamikazePotato posted...
If Joker didn't have his name he would be getting bulldozed right now.

Makes absolutely zero difference.
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ExThaNemesis posted...
pjbasis posted...
That's like a 6:4 mu mario is toast


f*** yes he is aerials for days buster sword upside ya dome genkai wo koeru

Shame about how badly he's being nerfed in Ultimate. Ike is basically taking his spot.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
Ugh, I had Joker in my bracket, but originally picked Claire in Oracle. And then I found out Joker was getting "Joker" and it made me switch back.


Knowing that Joker was going to get his "Joker" name didn't really change my expectations of this match. New characters had not looked good before today and Joker still has the bad picture, so I remained with Claire for the Oracle.
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Not_Wylvane 10/29/2018 5:30:25 PM#330
Magus and Vincent are both dweebs whose main character traits are “single-minded focus on a specific woman” and thus are so anti-social that their aloof behavior is masked for being badass, so they end up being carried solely by their character designs.

Magus at least is decent in Radical Dreamers, while Dirge of Cerberus is...eh...
Averia 10/29/2018 5:30:28 PM#331
Why is anyone surprise that Joker isn't strong ?
P5 is a recent game. Since when has anything out of a new game been anything more than low midcarder.
2Dover3D 10/29/2018 5:30:34 PM#333
Magus and Joker cut again. Great to have a match with two of my favorite characters both on the move at the same time
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Five votes
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
KamikazePotato posted...
ExThaNemesis posted...
pjbasis posted...
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That's like a 6:4 mu mario is toast


f*** yes he is aerials for days buster sword upside ya dome genkai wo koeru

Shame about how badly he's being nerfed in Ultimate. Ike is basically taking his spot.


ZeRo still thinks Cloud is top tier
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pjbasis 10/29/2018 5:31:02 PM#336
KamikazePotato posted...
If you think that the contestgoers on this site are going to stop anti-voting Cloud just because he was released as 3rd Party DLC #7 in Smash Bros, you're going to be very disappointed.


You know not every person who votes Link or Mario over Cloud hates him.

If 5% of voters who are ambivalent about change their mind that's something!
Stay strong Claire, you deserve a win in one of these things...
CBX - Today's Winners: Auron, Magus, Sub-Zero, Claire
Score: 36/44
pjbasis 10/29/2018 5:31:32 PM#338
2Dover3D 10/29/2018 5:31:33 PM#339
Averia posted...
Why is anyone surprise that Joker isn't strong ?
P5 is a recent game. Since when has anything out of a new game been anything more than low midcarder.


Its just weird, you'd think people would love a GotY caliber JRPG on this site. Without extra context I'd imagine he'd be a high mid carder. But then I remember Gamefaqs doesn't actually play games, they just talk about old games.
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I don't think it's going to be anywhere close to 5%. It's really going to be negligible - will probably keep Cloud from falling any further, but he already kind of sucked in 2013!
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
charmander6000 posted...
Stay strong Claire, you deserve a win in one of these things...

This
n2k
Still cutting! Next update should be a lead switch!
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Haste_2 10/29/2018 5:34:28 PM#343
Rooting for Claire instead of Joker because SBAllen cheated all the Claire pickers. I would have gladly rooted for Ren, though!

I doubt Magus is going to hang on. Vincent will probably win with at least 55% when it's all said and done.
"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So... what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."
pjbasis 10/29/2018 5:35:03 PM#344
KamikazePotato posted...
I don't think it's going to be anywhere close to 5%.


No because that could even swing things so that Cloud beats Link or something crazy actually.
Haste_2 posted...
Rooting for Claire instead of Joker because SBAllen cheated all the Claire pickers.


oh my word give me a break with this
2Dover3D 10/29/2018 5:35:14 PM#346
Woah, 40 vote lead for Magus
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Averia posted...
Why is anyone surprise that Joker isn't strong ?
P5 is a recent game. Since when has anything out of a new game been anything more than low midcarder.


Usually not even that. Even Sora and Kratos, two of our stronger post-2002 characters, struggled early. I think the only one who really hit the ground running was Amaterasu.
"Someday I'll catch up, and then you'll all be surprised!"
BKSheikah has the power. He is the one.
That was a Chrono Trigger spike if I ever saw one

>_>
CBX - Today's Winners: Auron, Magus, Sub-Zero, Claire
Score: 36/44
pjbasis posted...
Ike is not gonna be better than Cloud.

Ike has been siphoning all the broken-ness of of Cloud's aerials. Cloud still has Limit but Limit got nerfed like crazy, which also greatly hurts his recovery because Cloud's recovery is trash when Limit isn't up.

Most people transitioning to Ultimate are going to drop Cloud like a sack of potatoes when they realize he isn't the most braindead character in the game anymore (who still can't win Evo anyway LOL)
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

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