FFVI is definitely acting like Nintendo this contest. It makes sense.

Also Cayde-6 is super weak, likely the weakest in the contest (though Chloe might give him a run) but he's not Tanner. Tanner was a special confluence of awful - nobody played his game, nobody who did liked him, and his pic was a generic dude. Cayde-6 only has one of those. Cayde-6 is probably more like Sandal.
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also Terra/Charizard and Shadow/Ness have both been stalemates for the last couple hours

Ness will start gaining again once we hit morning because Shadow's killing him in Europe currently

the funny thing about Terra/Charizard is that Terra's beating him pretty much everywhere except the UK in Europe right now

she's beating him just about everywhere in general except for two of the three places that actually get a lot of votes
Lightning Strikes posted...
FFVI is definitely acting like Nintendo this contest. It makes sense.


well it "makes sense" in the sense that it's a confirmation bias of Nintendo domination and/or a convenient excuse for why the "Square deboost" doesn't apply to it

FFVI could be getting a boost because it's old. It looked a lot better in 2015 than it did in 2009, much like Chrono Trigger.

although like I've been saying this isn't "new" strength from Terra or Kefka

and it's never behaved the same way the PS FFs do, but there's a pretty clear reason for that

namely, that it's much less popular in Europe, as the match results show
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LeonhartFour posted...
Lightning Strikes posted...
FFVI is definitely acting like Nintendo this contest. It makes sense.


well it "makes sense" in the sense that it's a confirmation bias of Nintendo domination and/or a convenient excuse for why the "Square deboost" doesn't apply to it

FFVI could be getting a boost because it's old. It looked a lot better in 2015 than it did in 2009, much like Chrono Trigger.

although like I've been saying this isn't "new" strength from Terra or Kefka


As opposed to the confirmation bias of the opposite? It's too early to say. But it wasn't exactly an inspiring performance from Yuna yesterday, and Bowser looks excellent however weak Gordon has gotten.

But the reason for its underperformance in Europe is definitely due to it being tied to that era of Nintendo (and not releasing during it)
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Lightning Strikes posted...
As opposed to the confirmation bias of the opposite?


Not what I said.

This is confirmation that what Kefka and Terra did in the last two Character Battles was legit.

Lightning Strikes posted...
It's too early to say.


WOW it's like exactly what I've been trying to say since Tidus/DK
Lightning Strikes posted...
But the reason for its underperformance in Europe is definitely due to it being tied to that era of Nintendo (and not releasing during it)


That doesn't mean it's a Nintendo proxy. Its trends have never resembled traditional Nintendo things. Nor have Chrono Trigger's, for that matter. Old Square occupies its own unique space in between Nintendo and New Square.
LeonhartFour posted...
Not what I said.

This is confirmation that what Kefka and Terra did in the last two Character Battles was legit.


Which explains all your "So much for Zelda>Squall lolololo" posts...

LeonhartFour posted...
WOW it's like exactly what I've been trying to say since Tidus/DK


Two results is a bit different from five.
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Lightning vs Yuna, right now, who you got?

I'd pick Lightning with 52%
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Lightning Strikes posted...
Which explains all your "So much for Zelda>Squall lolololo" posts...


it's almost like "LOLOLOLO" implies I'm joking

or making fun of people for overreacting and calling for the death of Square over FF characters who have been low midcarders at best for years (or completely unknown in Noct's case)

Lightning Strikes posted...
Two results is a bit different from five.


wow nice job cherry picking and completely ignoring Vivi's domination too

what a shock that the FF characters who have shown real strength in recent Character Battles are *gasp* still showing real strength
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Vivi faced a Playstation exclusive RPG character whose own fans couldn't recognise him. Nothing to be gleaned from that match either way (other than Joker looking in trouble). You might as well be talking about Lightning vs. Chloe.

This will get awkward if Squall can't get 80% on Hat Kid...
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Lightning Strikes posted...
Vivi faced a Playstation exclusive RPG character whose own fans couldn't recognise him. Nothing to be gleaned from that match either way (other than Joker looking in trouble). You might as well be talking about Lightning vs. Chloe.


funny enough you can also come up for good explanations for why literally all the other Square losses weren't as bad as they looked but it hasn't stopped you or several others from crying out for FF deboosts

when the result doesn't help your case it's "excuses" or "too early" but Master Hand beats Noctis (a character no one, not even me as a big FFXV fan, thought would be strong) and FF IS DOOOOOOOOOOOMED
Lightning Strikes posted...
This will get awkward if Squall can't get 80% on Hat Kid...


nope not really

if Squall looks bad he looks bad

then you'd actually have a reason to start proclaiming Zelda > Squall at least
I regret nominating Mog, Celes, and Sabin but not Terra. If nom totals were low enough it's possible that mine could've changed her seeding and given her a better match.
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I mean Terra has a great seed

she just unfortunately drew a drastically underseeded character

she probably beats literally every other 12 seed in the contest
LeonhartFour posted...
Lightning Strikes posted...
Vivi faced a Playstation exclusive RPG character whose own fans couldn't recognise him. Nothing to be gleaned from that match either way (other than Joker looking in trouble). You might as well be talking about Lightning vs. Chloe.


funny enough you can also come up for good explanations for why literally all the other Square losses weren't as bad as they looked but it hasn't stopped you or several others from crying out for FF deboosts

when the result doesn't help your case it's "excuses" or "too early" but Master Hand beats Noctis (a character no one, not even me as a big FFXV fan, thought would be strong) and FF IS DOOOOOOOOOOOMED


Okay what are your explanations for the results then?
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DK/Tidus - DK was already stronger in 2013 because of Returns but it just got hidden because both of his matches were full of LFF
Zidane/Knux - Sonic Mania boost for Knux
Noctis/Hand - Noctis is a complete unknown and just sucks anyway, much like Kuja did back when FF was still a dominant force on this site. Absolutely worthless result to prove any sort of boost or deboost.
Crash/Cecil - Cecil has literally never, ever won a match. He sucks now and always has sucked.

and what's the fifth result you're touting as terrible? Yuna/Godot or something?

Yuna's probably never been any stronger than Tidus, so I'm not sure what number you were expecting her to put up there. She's a low midcarder and always has been, too.
Anyway, those explanations may not turn out to be correct, but they are certainly within the realm of possibility, which is why I've just been saying "wait until the big boys have matches"

and all the big boys are doing well regardless of what excuses you want to make for why they don't count
Fair enough. The end result is at best FF standing still while other franchises boost though yes?
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Lightning Strikes posted...
Fair enough. The end result is at best FF standing still while other franchises boost though yes?


I mean people calling for Nintendo dominance were premature too because Peach flopped against Alucard and Charizard's flopping here relative to expectations

heck Ness isn't really doing anything impressive here either considering Shadow's history

Pikachu/Scorpion looks like the best Nintendo result thus far along with Bowser/Gordon, but my feeling is that Pikachu has been the strongest Pokemon for a while anyway. Bowser...may be a unique case that I wouldn't extend to Nintendo in general, but it's hard to tell how much of this is him and how much is Gordon.

If you're going to just throw Vivi/Narukami out the window then I guess I get to throw one result out the window too so Ganondorf/Neku doesn't count

(even if it's pretty much what Ganondorf should've done anyway)
pjbasis 10/25/2018 1:57:58 AM#220
I don't know.

Fits too well with the narrative of Switch doing very well with the gamefaqs crowd, as much as any new thing could possibly do anyway.
Oh, I said before the contest that there's a good chance that Nintendo in general will be stronger than in recent contests because this site loves the Switch after it hated the Wii U and soured on the Wii by the end.

I just think calling for Nintendo to win every debatable match in the contest as a result might be a little premature. They'll probably still win a lot of them, but it doesn't just magically flip every result, as we saw with Alucard/Peach or Big Boss/Ridley.
augh I keep waiting for Terra to hit 47% and she just can't quite get there
Ganondorf way overperformed against Neku. But I'll be real with you guys: the PeachFEAR was always crazy. I never believed it for a second, I was stunned that match was debated, if she lost to Gordon she was losing to Alucard boost or not. To me she looked as expected at worst. The actual exception is Charizard.

But that's a bit different because Nintendo has been overperforming in, setting Peach/Alucard (and Yoshi/Shantae because it was effectively Nintendo vs. Nintendo) to one side, 10/11 matches. It is fairly inarguable at this point, Big Boss vs. Ridley should have settled it. What would it take to convince you otherwise?

Edit: Leon, for reference, I made this post before your last one on the subject.
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Lightning Strikes posted...
Ganondorf way overperformed against Neku.


Ganondorf SFF'd him...! I mean, if you're going to argue Yoshi/Shantae was SFF, why not? Zelda and TWEWY probably share a lot of the same audience (I also don't think Yoshi looked particularly good there. Just met expectations). But either way, I don't think much of that result. We've let fodder blowouts fool us before.

Ridley in particular had a reason to be stronger that Nintendo in general doesn't. Dude was one of the most desired Smash newcomers for forever and finally got in. And regardless of what you want to say about the pic being recognizable, the old man pic isn't optimal Big Boss.
Qwaar 10/25/2018 2:11:44 AM#225
I'm getting quite worried because I feel interest in this contest is so little that I can't see any rallies happening. Just as well I don't have Sans or Waluigi doing really well...
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I won't even say for 100% certain that it wasn't SFF. Either way Bowser is definitely giving the performance of the contest so far.
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Janus5k 10/25/2018 2:28:50 AM#228
LeonhartFour posted...
augh Terra's never getting to 47%

forget it I'm going to bed

Let the record show that she hit 47% immediately after this.
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pirate109 10/25/2018 2:30:15 AM#229
LeonhartFour posted...
augh Terra's never getting to 47%

forget it I'm going to bed

And with that, Terra hits 47.08%!
oo
pirate109 10/25/2018 2:30:33 AM#230
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Speaking of Big Boss/Ridley, I guess no one's taking any Metal Gear Solid game over Metroid Prime in a games contest by now?

Speaking of games contest, Gordon's stinkbomb makes me wonder how well Half-Life 2 would do in a games contest.
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Zylothewolf 10/25/2018 3:59:13 AM#232
Games is not the same as characters. I would take MGS1 and MGS3 over Metroid Prime without thinking a second.
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Last time I asked most of us thought Metroid Prime would beat any MGS game, at least the ones who replied.

Would Prime struggle with Shadow of the Colossus in that case? Also we can at least agree that Super Metroid beats any MGS game then.
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paulg235 10/25/2018 4:06:36 AM#234
Terra and Shadow have managed to stall their opponents from extending their lead for the past few hours but don't seem to be able to make any attempt at making a comeback.
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ZeldaTPLink 10/25/2018 4:38:37 AM#235
OFool posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
shockingly Charizard gets a massive update whenever it looks like Terra is starting to make a move


I use a popular VPN service sometimes (access some Australian betting sites from my current home in the UK) and when I want to the GameFAQs homepage I noticed that votes from the VPN IP had already been registered.

I tried two more and one of the two also was already registered as having voted.

By chance they could both be legit, but as there is only about 1k users per VPN it seems highly likely there is vote stuffing going on.


@SBAllen
ZeldaTPLink 10/25/2018 4:40:28 AM#236
LeonhartFour posted...
also Terra/Charizard and Shadow/Ness have both been stalemates for the last couple hours

Ness will start gaining again once we hit morning because Shadow's killing him in Europe currently

the funny thing about Terra/Charizard is that Terra's beating him pretty much everywhere except the UK in Europe right now

she's beating him just about everywhere in general except for two of the three places that actually get a lot of votes


It does sound like a case for vote stuffing.
During bracket making, I did want to say that Terra > Zard wouldn't be the craziest upset in the world. She just seemed to have the tools to make it close, and if it's close, anything can happen.
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HaRRicH 10/25/2018 5:57:30 AM#239
I got Kirby > Bowser > Charizard and am sticking with it today, but Kirby's gonna need to swing hard to match Bowser's beatdown today.
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swirIdude 10/25/2018 5:58:09 AM#240
It would be cool if SBAllen "accepted" votes from illicit sources but then just didn't include them in the vote totals. That way stuffers might think they've impacted the results, but they actually have not.
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Wreath 10/25/2018 6:12:30 AM#241
LeonhartFour posted...
augh I keep waiting for Terra to hit 47% and she just can't quite get there


Still a noble effort. I was thinking along the lines of 40%
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ctesjbuvf 10/25/2018 6:38:39 AM#242
Well, she has hit it now
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I'm just happy 2B is demolishing. It's Square's strongest win so far?
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Logience 10/25/2018 7:41:38 AM#244
BK_Sheikah00 posted...
I'm just happy 2B is demolishing. It's Square's strongest win so far?

2B is Squeenix? I thought she was just Clover, and also 2017's Waifu of the Year.
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It was developed by Platinum and published by Squeenix, who has published all of the Nier and Drakengard games.
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I'm praying this is actually showing 2B to be decently strong and I will be saved from being entirely screwed from this Shadow pick.
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Ness couldn't get it done against Big Daddy, which is probably the biggest evidence I used to support 2B. Bioshock is bigger than Nier, but 2B has Daddy beat in design and appeal. I think she'll get the job done.
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OFool 10/25/2018 8:40:48 AM#248
haloiscoolisbak posted...
OFool posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
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shockingly Charizard gets a massive update whenever it looks like Terra is starting to make a move


I use a popular VPN service sometimes (access some Australian betting sites from my current home in the UK) and when I want to the GameFAQs homepage I noticed that votes from the VPN IP had already been registered.

I tried two more and one of the two also was already registered as having voted.

By chance they could both be legit, but as there is only about 1k users per VPN it seems highly likely there is vote stuffing going on.


Ugh, this sucks if true. Pokemon will just cheat it's way to victory


I have found several other VPNs with the service that already have registered votes. Depending on country I choose, it seems like every VPN or no VPN has voted. UK for instance, seems to have a lot of VPNs as already clocking a registered vote. There are over 250 VPN addresses in the UK alone.

How do I tell who they have voted for- it just says thanks for the vote not which way the vote went.

Incidentally, how do you look at country trends?
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OFool posted...
How do I tell who they have voted for- it just says thanks for the vote not which way the vote went.


If you look at the pics on the results page, the frame around character you voted for is gold.
BK_Sheikah00 posted...
I'm just happy 2B is demolishing. It's Square's strongest win so far?


By pure percentage, yeah.

But depending on how weak Cayde-6 is, it's not necessarily a "strong" win. I don't think you can derive too much about 2B's chances from this because we have no idea exactly how weak he is.

Ness having a close match with Shadow is the best sign though because it's unlikely that 2B is much stronger than either character if she is stronger.

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