Donkey Kong boosting makes sense. Returns between 2010 and 2013, Tropical Freeze since then and now with the more popular Switch version this year. Of course he would be the strongest he's ever been.

WarThaNemesis2 posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
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the like 15th strongest nintendo game beat the best unrallied non-nintendo/square had to offer

good to see DK is pulling away now that the kiddies are going to bed


which match are we talking about? Mario 64/Skyrim? Or Mario RPG/Metal Gear Solid 3?

I think Mario 64 would be a little higher than 15th!

also Mario RPG is dangerous because it's a Nintendo/Square hybrid! Imagine how strong Mario RPG would be if it actually had come out in Europe!


Mario RPG over the strongest MGS, yeah. Mario RPG doing that and DK doing this means I'd be terrified of picking against Nintendo in any match I thought was debatable.

unless this is Tidus falling off the face of the earth in which case hoo boy my Sub-Zero over Auron pick is looking good


MGS3 lost to Resident Evil 4, which in turn looked worse than Fallout 3 (and Half-Life 2, but Half-Life has weakened substantially since thanks Valve). But Skyrim has a definite claim be the strongest non-Nintendo/non-Square game.
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Exodecai 10/20/2018 2:47:34 AM#402
.... I just hope this adds to Walu defeating Aerith. I need my boy to at least make it past round 1 (and round 2, because whoever wins Walu/Aerith should have no problem with Toad/Shovel)
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Exodecai posted...
.... I just hope this adds to Walu defeating Aerith. I need my boy to at least make it past round 1 (and round 2, because whoever wins Walu/Aerith should have no problem with Toad/Shovel)


I think that's asking too much on base strength. Waluigi is no DK and Tidus is no Aerith. Especially because bracket votes now count double

But he's definitely a rally candidate
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Safer_777 10/20/2018 3:03:49 AM#404
So I just woke up...Well I had picked DK on the start but I thought since FF X is considered so good I picked Tidus. Ah well.
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Lightning Strikes posted...
Donkey Kong boosting makes sense. Returns between 2010 and 2013, Tropical Freeze since then and now with the more popular Switch version this year. Of course he would be the strongest he's ever been.


This is part of what I was banking on, yes. DK now is a completely different animal from DK a decade ago.

But this confirms that FFX is considerably weaker too perhaps. Even in 2009 Chrono Trigger would have probably 55-45'd it.
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I wonder if Auron to the div finals is suddenly a heavily compromised pick lol
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Auron's much stronger than Tidus. Tidus got 54-46'd by someone Auron 60-40'd.
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Safer_777 10/20/2018 4:04:45 AM#408
Why most people here we chose Tidus over DK by the way?
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In fairness they have faced off before and Tidus won easily, but that was in a 4-way a full decade ago.

Also because DK has a bit of a history of choking, though now it looks like Tidus is the new choke king.
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Not_Wylvane 10/20/2018 4:06:56 AM#410
Safer_777 posted...
Why most people here we chose Tidus over DK by the way?


Who gives a f*** about Donkey Kong?

Turns out a lot of people, actually.
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Not_Wylvane 10/20/2018 4:08:47 AM#411
I'll still never get over Jecht doing better in his sole solo contest appearance than Tidus in sixteen years of these.
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To be fair Jecht had a piss-weak fourpack.
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MZero11 10/20/2018 4:22:40 AM#413
pjbasis posted...
as long as you vote for noctis over master hand we good


Duh

Wait until you see my crew write-up! Although at this rate it'll go up after the match and I'll either look dumb or smart
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Qwaar 10/20/2018 4:57:07 AM#414
Safer_777 posted...
Why most people here we chose Tidus over DK by the way?

I had DK at first but all the experts kept telling me Tidus was winning, so I changed it a couple of hours before the deadline.
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f***ing a, I lose my perfect bracket on Day 2. I never even considered Aya to win but I switched from DK at one point. This does make me feel better about taking Master Hand over Noctis tho.
pjbasis 10/20/2018 5:47:31 AM#416
But maybe DK was really underrated in CBIX and Lightning just has always been Tidus-level.

*checks eight year old stats*

Checks out! Noctis' ceiling got a little higher!
ZeldaTPLink 10/20/2018 5:52:54 AM#417
Safer_777 posted...
Why most people here we chose Tidus over DK by the way?


Because Tidus was historically stronger than DK, and most people didn't see that changing.
pjbasis 10/20/2018 5:53:40 AM#418
I guess the real test will be Lightning vs Dante. Tidus level would be a 60-40, let's see it!
Safer_777 posted...
Why most people here we chose Tidus over DK by the way?


Because we have extensive data on both of them and virtually all of it pointed to a Tidus win
so lol x-stats, basically
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VeryInsane 10/20/2018 6:00:35 AM#421
pjbasis posted...
But maybe DK was really underrated in CBIX and Lightning just has always been Tidus-level.

*checks eight year old stats*

Checks out! Noctis' ceiling got a little higher!


I mean, DK also had Falco weighing him down in that match
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ZeldaTPLink 10/20/2018 6:03:05 AM#422
I mean if you just go with your gut in every match you may get some upsets the experts will miss, but you are likely to miss a lot of stuff the board won't.
abdou 10/20/2018 6:03:50 AM#423
Nintendo getting stronger over time while Square get weaker doesn't seem surprising actually, I should have went with DK but oh well. I don't think this spells trouble for someone like Squall,was Tidus ever really liked? he is third strongest from his own game after Auron and Yuna. Nobody ever cared about Tidus and now his game is so old, he is even less relevant.
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
I mean if you just go with your gut in every match you may get some upsets the experts will miss, but you are likely to miss a lot of stuff the board won't.


it should be a combination of both the data and your gut feeling, obviously. nobody has ever won a contest by simply filling in the x-stats results for all the matches we have data for.
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Such a long time ago

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1307-north-division-round-1-tidus-vs-ganondorf

Granted this was also when Magus > Ganondorf but also when Magus put up 35% on Link
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ZeldaTPLink 10/20/2018 6:10:18 AM#426
Mr Lasastryke posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
I mean if you just go with your gut in every match you may get some upsets the experts will miss, but you are likely to miss a lot of stuff the board won't.


it should be a combination of both the data and your gut feeling, obviously. nobody has ever won a contest by simply filling in the x-stats results for all the matches we have data for.


I agree, it's just that those posts complaining about how following the board is bad for you are annoying.

It's easy to say the board sucks after you get 15 matches right by listening to bop and The Show and get one match wrong that everyone was split on. Tidus vs DK was never supposed to be easy.
ZeldaTPLink 10/20/2018 6:11:59 AM#427
Myself, I went with my gut on DK being the ultimate choker, failed to disregard tropical freeze, and used xtats for validation. Oh well.
i think that's what a lot of people did, it was an easy mistake to make
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MZero11 10/20/2018 6:17:45 AM#429
I chose Tidus because I will always choose him in a debatable match
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Apparently I took DK in my bracket. Just a shame I also took Sully!

I filled my bracket in during the last hour without much thought so I expect to get rinsed on a few matches B8 get right as a whole. I'll probably go against my bracket a lot in the oracle too like I did in 2 matches today.
It came down to this:

- stats said Tidus was only marginally stronger than DK in 2013
- Square lost popularity and Nintendo gained in 2013. nothing happened since then to reverse that trend.
- Switch is extremely popular
- Tidus has always been low on the FF spectrum, and even actively disliked by many, even those who love his game

I don't consider myself an expert, but this is exactly what I predicted. I was genuinely surprised to see the board favored Tidus.
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I stuck with DK because I didn't like how I had DK > Lightning in the last character contest and DKC2 winning two matches in the games contest until I was convinced by the board (emphasis on "I was convinced") to change. After those two upsets plus Tidus never coming through, well...
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
I agree, it's just that those posts complaining about how following the board is bad for you are annoying.

It's easy to say the board sucks after you get 15 matches right by listening to bop and The Show and get one match wrong that everyone was split on. Tidus vs DK was never supposed to be easy.


oh, sure.

i do think it's a bit annoying when the contest experts use faulty logic when predicting matches. like, in best game ever '15 the majority of them picked persona 3 to beat dragon quest viii but as far as i know that wasn't based on x-stats or anything. they just went "PERSONA IS SO BIG RIGHT NOW," not taking into account that "persona being big now" was really a board 8 bubble thing and that in the real world most people (evidently) didn't care all that much about the franchise.

but even then, i made a mistake by listening to the board and picking persona 3. i would never blame the board for me listening to them.
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The Owner of FF9 posted...
It came down to this:

- stats said Tidus was only marginally stronger than DK in 2013
- Square lost popularity and Nintendo gained in 2013. nothing happened since then to reverse that trend.
- Switch is extremely popular
- Tidus has always been low on the FF spectrum, and even actively disliked by many, even those who love his game

I don't consider myself an expert, but this is exactly what I predicted. I was genuinely surprised to see the board favored Tidus.


To be fair though, Tidus and DK have clashed before and...

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Donkey_Kong_vs_Miles_%27Tails%27_Prower_vs_Tidus_vs_Weighted_Companion_Cube_2008
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PoIl6177 10/20/2018 6:42:47 AM#435
guys....the final fantasy series is completely dead. sephiroth is, by far, the weakest of the noble nine. cloud is, by far, the second weakest.
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Averia 10/20/2018 6:43:31 AM#436
LinkMarioSamus posted...
The Owner of FF9 posted...
It came down to this:

- stats said Tidus was only marginally stronger than DK in 2013
- Square lost popularity and Nintendo gained in 2013. nothing happened since then to reverse that trend.
- Switch is extremely popular
- Tidus has always been low on the FF spectrum, and even actively disliked by many, even those who love his game

I don't consider myself an expert, but this is exactly what I predicted. I was genuinely surprised to see the board favored Tidus.


To be fair though, Tidus and DK have clashed before and...

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Donkey_Kong_vs_Miles_%27Tails%27_Prower_vs_Tidus_vs_Weighted_Companion_Cube_2008


Clearly, Tails sffed DK
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Board 8 = (when predicting one upset correctly) lol x-stats
Also B8 = *uses x-stats extensively to do significantly better than all the randoms submitting brackets*
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Safer_777 10/20/2018 7:12:38 AM#438
@KamikazePotato True that. If you go by stats you get almost all matches right. But of course the few you don't get right people say lol x-stats.
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HaRRicH 10/20/2018 7:15:43 AM#439
Of course x-stats aren't perfect -- they look to the past for comparable situations, not to the future about the actual situation.

Still better than anything else we have, you just shouldn't ONLY use x-stats.
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X-stats will get you in the top 5-10%, but if you want to win you'll have to take at least one major upset.

At least for character battle/game contests.
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Averia posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
The Owner of FF9 posted...
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It came down to this:

- stats said Tidus was only marginally stronger than DK in 2013
- Square lost popularity and Nintendo gained in 2013. nothing happened since then to reverse that trend.
- Switch is extremely popular
- Tidus has always been low on the FF spectrum, and even actively disliked by many, even those who love his game

I don't consider myself an expert, but this is exactly what I predicted. I was genuinely surprised to see the board favored Tidus.


To be fair though, Tidus and DK have clashed before and...

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Donkey_Kong_vs_Miles_%27Tails%27_Prower_vs_Tidus_vs_Weighted_Companion_Cube_2008


Clearly, Tails sffed DK


I have to imagine that was actually a thing given how badly both Tails and DK did, but the fact that DK is reversing a 60-40 this handily says it all. LOL Tidus.
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Simple explanation is that a DK boost was hidden in 2013 because he lost to Zelda/Zard SFF

We just assumed Lightning was that bad, turns out she might actually be around Tidus level

Which conveniently explains why she did so well on Chloe (its not easy to triple anyone, no matter how weak they are, unless you're decently strong)

Fun fact: if Lightning is around Tidus level, then DK might beat Leon before Leon even has the chance to lose to Vivi
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Again, a small part of me regrets not sticking to my guns and keeping DK > Leon, though I still think Leon rightfully heads in as the favorite. I don't think Dragonborn is garbage, and Mr. RE4 is throttling him well.
KamikazePotato posted...


Fun fact: if Lightning is around Tidus level, then DK might beat Leon before Leon even has the chance to lose to Vivi

Let's not get crazy now.
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The Owner of FF9 posted...
KamikazePotato posted...


Fun fact: if Lightning is around Tidus level, then DK might beat Leon before Leon even has the chance to lose to Vivi

Let's not get crazy now.

I think Leon is the favorite going in but these are the kinds of things you have to consider when results like these happen. I honestly dont think Leon would do much better on Tidus than DK is doing.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
HaRRicH 10/20/2018 8:55:31 AM#446
Watch DK beat Leon, then lose to Vivi just as bad as he has twice before.
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redrocket 10/20/2018 8:57:19 AM#447
Feel the Tropical Burn.
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Shifting to Sully's match, in GOTD The Legend of Dragoon broke 40% on Uncharted 2. Would it be a stretch for Parasite Eve to manage a similar feat?

Also is Drake the favorite against Tails? I just saw people in their prediction topics deciding Drake would win and aside from that heard nothing about that match.

As for DK vs. Leon, Leon and Tidus have clashed before and Leon got 62% on him, although that was with Vivi (and Pikachu) in the same poll. Oh dear.
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HaRRicH 10/20/2018 8:59:13 AM#449
Also, if we're going off the idea of DK being deceptively stronger in 2013, does that have any bearing to you regarding Charizard >= Zelda > DK in 2013? As in, do you think the Charizard/Zelda part would have gone differently without DK in the context of this new understanding we're building around DK?
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
so lol x-stats, basically


Always.

That's like looking at who won a sports championship 5 years ago and betting money solely on them to win again beforebtheybe even played game 1.
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