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LeonhartFour posted...

LinkMarioSamus posted...

How? I can't think of a single result that would have been different without rallies.

hello Chrono Trigger

Oh yeah I forgot.

Okay, make that one that changed outright because of spillover.

I think RBY gets at least 53% against SM64 in a normal match. I don't care how bad this looks, but I'd still pick RBY over any game except of course OoT.

I'd take at least 4 games to beat RBY, but SM64 would be a close fifth.

I took R/B/Y to beat everything except OoT because Pokemon beats everything I love anyway, so might as well try to reverse jinx it.

the reverse jinx worked out in a way I could never have imagined

Reverse jinx more like reverse Jynx, amirite?

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/xGyh4ZO_y4Cks2lpx-i6-xnrCnPCAnLnlN6HK74PjJ-XhyWGCfKbIwtRXmFsORX8Fx5nB7nP-TjNcUnOYfWaM1JjTf1XEAM7xw4yi7s6sOoMgfAdg560eUgx282LjNOSzvdy=w200-h200-nc

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Super Mario Kart ownership poll today. As with the GoldenEye poll, this one also distinguishes between playing or not playing the game.

Actually, that Super Mario Kart poll has some issues that prevent it from being used as a playrate poll. I made the previous post too soon before carefully reading the options first.

The option "Not the original, but I own one of the later Mario Kart series games" does not say anything about whether or not you played the game. Some of the people who voted for that option might have played the game, but it's impossible to know for sure.

At the very minimum, Super Mario Kart has a playrate of 64.10% and could even be as high as 92.61%. But no one would be crazy enough to think Super Mario Kart has a playrate above 90%.

LusterSoldier posted...

The option "Not the original, but I own one of the later Mario Kart series games" does not say anything about whether or not you played the game. Some of the people who voted for that option might have played the game, but it's impossible to know for sure.

Why's that? Was it released on Virtual Console or something? I think the option is clear enough (or at least I think most people identify SMK as being "the original"; the overall demographic for the site hasn't really changed, apparently).

65%-70% of playrate sounds fine to me.

Hey, guys, what do you think of a "Best. Remake. Ever."? Something like Resident Evil for the Gamecube, Metroid Zero Mission, Pokemon HG/SS, and the oh-so-glorious Super Castlevania IV. (Sure, it may come down to OoT vs. FFVII again, but it would still be fun, I think.)

I would imagine the play-rate of remakes tend to be pretty low. Ones I've played are the Phoenix Wright Trilogy on DS, Super Mario All-Stars, Final Fantasy 1 and 4, and the remake of the Lunar games... aside from those, I haven't played too many remakes. I would rather see a "best original game" contest.

http://gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=6177&sort=time&type=ASC&num=2

Still amazing to look at those numbers!

Big deal! The BYE final got over 20k votes! I'd like you to show me another contest match that broke 20k votes!

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Would Mario 64 vs. Melee have been a debated match in c. 2009?

Not_Wylvane posted...

Big deal! The BYE final got over 20k votes! I'd like you to show me another contest match that broke 20k votes!

lmao

LinkMarioSamus posted...

Would Mario 64 vs. Melee have been a debated match in c. 2009?

Err... I don't think so. SM64 nearly defeated ALttP in the semis, and only a few select games could've reached such heights. FFX/Brawl/Melee were practically equals, but they would've still needed an extra push to put up a battle. Also, let's remember SM64 was and is the strongest Mario game to date.

SMW/SMB3 vs. Melee, on the other hand, would've definitely been debatable.

We wouldn't have debated SSBM/Mario 64 before the 2009 contest because we didn't realize Mario 64 was strong enough to beat Chrono Trigger. I think most people felt it was the #3 Mario game behind 3 and World, both of whom lost to CT in 2004.

(that and B8 consistently overrates Melee)

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We're all talking about games; I'm really interested how Snake will hold up in a character battle, wouldn't be surprised if he's fallen to Sonic levels.

Mario and Cloud were pathetic in their last appearances. You don't lose to f***ing Squirtle, and Leon being there is not an excuse. Cloud still would have lost the match.

Also not sure how Mega Man would hold up if we see him in a contest. MM and Sephiroth could once again be about equally strong.

Even though Crono Trigger performed excellent in the BYE and BGE, I don't think Crono can do any major damage in a Characters contest setting.

My logic for picking Chrono Trigger over Melee in the games contest was that a close loss to Mario 64 looked better than a close loss to Brawl.

Snake not being in Smash anymore and MGSV flopping doesn't help him much. We might have to recur to good pics to make him hold up.

BTW, since I really don't know about Noble 9 stats and such, I have a question: Is there any N9er aside from Link that can defeat Cloud?

LinkMarioSamus posted...

My logic for picking Chrono Trigger over Melee in the games contest was that a close loss to Mario 64 looked better than a close loss to Brawl.

Smart logic, to be honest.

If Cloud can lose to Squirtle the answer is yes.

But which one though? The obvious answer based on 2013 is Snake, but that series' popularity has seemingly eroded. Mario didn't do too well, Samus couldn't break 60% on one of the supporting cast of Cloud's game...

Also wait, how do we know that Mario 64 is the strongest Mario game? Good for me at least since that is probably my favorite Mario game!

Every N9 has gotten weaker, so I guess Cloud could still be our #2 character.

I'd rank the Noble Nine:
Link
Mario
Samus
Snake
Cloud
Mega Man
Crono
Sonic
Sephiroth

Nintendo's likely at its highest ebb now since people started souring on the Wii in late 2008 or so. We didn't see great stuff out of Link/Mario/Samus in 2013 (barring the Draven match) but after Breath of the Wild and the Switch were so successful and with Mario Odyssey and (much less importantly) Metroid Samus Returns upcoming, Nintendo's probably going to be tough to beat in the near-future.

Snake has probably dropped but "down to Sonic levels" is too much unless Sonic is boosting to the strongest he's ever been because of Mania/Forces - Snake got 55% on Sonic in 2006 and he seemed to get stronger pretty much every character battle after that. He's almost certainly fallen off a bit since looking like the #2 in 2013 but he's still probably the site's presumptive #4 at worst.

It's probably wishful thinking to have Cloud beating Link, Mario, or Snake in a fair fight at this point, unless the FFVII remake hype reaches fever pitch or the game releases to massive acclaim. It's even sort of tempting to go Mega Man > Cloud; FFVII has consistently gotten weaker and underperformed expectations every contest since the 2008 character battle. And it's not like Mega Man > Cloud would be at all a stretch given the 2013 results! Cloud's at least gotten into Smash 4 since then though and Mega Man's series remains dead so I'd only put it at "tempting upset."

I wouldn't expect major fireworks out of Crono despite what happened in 2015 but Crono being close to Sephiroth and Sonic was something I figured was true even before then so with that factored in I'd take him to beat those two too. I don't think Sonic Mania does much for Sonic since people on gamefaqs weren't huge on the old Sonic games but it's always nice to have something good and new going for you. Apparently some people are excited about Sonic Forces too? Sephiroth unlike Cloud doesn't have a Smash 4 appearance to prop him up and the gap between Sephiroth and Cloud seemed to get wider over time even while Cloud has still been weakening. Yeah I'll go Sonic > Sephiroth.

The last contest's matches had like 50% more votes than they do now despite matches being half as long. That'll likely factor heavily in things now.

FFVII ownership poll today. This one is completely useless for determining an exact playrate, although a playrate poll from 2016 was compared to an ownership poll in the same year to calculate the difference between the playrate and ownership rate.

Ranking the Noble Nine, eh...

Link is obviously on top.

Snake got 46.5% on Link, and destroyed Samus in the final match with Draven. Even if Snake dropped, I say he's still above Mario in strength. I mean, Mario couldn't beat Vivi and didn't look very impressive against Crono (perhaps some slight leeching from MMX, yeah, yeah...). Still good enough for 3rd place, I think. Samus let Tifa get 45% on her. which isn't exactly great, but probably enough for 4th place. I think Samus is more likely 3rd place than 5th or lower.

Sonic did better against Mewtwo than Sephiroth did...and considering Sephiroth let Kirby get 47% on him, I think Sonic > Sephiroth was true at the time. They're probably take 8th and 9th place. On the other hand... Mewtwo did better against Pikachu (58%) than he did against Sonic (55%), implying Sonic is above Cloud! Then again, Mewtwo appeared to gain momentum through the contest.

Frog got 36% on Cloud. Red gets 45+% on Mega Man, and that's after Samus leeching him. Red's pretty dang strong, beating a Squall by a good bit as well as Vivi. Mega Man looked Mega Man looked good against the Mewtwo/Pikachu combo and Charizard, too. I say Mega Man gets 4th place.

That leaves Cloud and Crono... Crono/Pikachu is likely a 50/50 match. Squirtle squeaked by Cloud. Pikachu and Squirtle are about equal, with a slight advantage to Pikachu. I'll take Crono, I guess, especially knowing that CT has grown relative to FFVII.
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How about this?

Link
Snake
Mario
Samus
Mega Man
Crono
Cloud
Sonic
Sephiroth

Who knows....

spooky96 posted...

Cloud could still be our #2 character.

I don't buy this at all. I'd be shocked if he's top ten. I'd pick him over only Seph and Crono in the NN, and a whole bunch of Pokemon could flatten him at this point. The dude lost to Squirtle, he'd probably lose to Charizard/Mewtwo/Blastoise/Pikachu, and I'd honestly be surprised if he beat Jigglypuff. There's probably more Pokemon I'm just forgetting about.

Hell with Pokemon Go adding the three birds, even they'd probably beat him at this point. Final Fantasy 7 is a dumpster fire in these polls anymore.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5151-character-battle-ix-division-1-round-1-x-vs-welkin-vs

Let's not get too crazy. Jigglypuff isn't anywhere near the same level as the top tier Pokemon like Pikachu or Blastoise.

One thing I sort of wonder is how Tifa compares to Cloud and Sephiroth. Tifa never really seemed to suffer the effects of FF7's decline. In the past I think people would have sided with Vincent in Tifa vs Vincent but these days the match is probably pretty ugly for Vincent.

Based on 2013, I'd say Tifa beats Vincent now, yeah.

2013 was a bad year for FFVII all around, but I almost feel like it was an anomaly. It's been four years since then, so who knows how much things have changed. 2013 was a terrible year for Chrono Trigger, too, and then we saw the Games Contest two years later.

I think a combination of votals lowering over the years + outsiders each contest makes things change a whole lot. FFVII as a whole has been declining over the years, while Chrono Trigger's been getting stronger. I wouldn't go as far as to take RBY over FFVII (yet...), but CT > FFVII is kind of a safe bet by now.

As for the influence that those things have over the characters themselves, I'm not sure. I'd wish to think that their popularity is proportional to their respective games (with Mega Man and Sonic being clear exceptions), but if that isn't the case, I honestly have no clue.

BTW, Squirtle and Magikarp had meme potential behind them. Charmander is generally more popular than Squirtle, yet for some reason it didn't enter (I prefer Bulbasaur, but whatever). Squirtle was ridiculously and bafflingly strong character in 2013. I'd like to think it was due to: 1._A Gen 1 starter competing in the name of all three (unless they've participated in previous CBs), and 2._Draven's outside forces...?

Forget about Squirtle "barely" beating Cloud -- if it wasn't for Pikachu, Squirtle would've put like 47% on Snake:

https://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5263-character-battle-ix-final-nine-solid-snake-vs-squirtle-vs

Dreamcast poll a day early means hopefully FFVIII poll tomorrow

Charmander and Bulbasaur have never participated. If I had to guess, I would imagine Blastoise and Charmander are stronger than Squirtle and weaker than Charizard. But the top end Pokemon rankings are a mess so it's not really clear how much space there is between Squirtle and Charizard to begin with.

Nobody knows how strong these Pokemon are in the first place because so many wonky things have happened with them.

They're pretty strong.

TRE, nice find. But I do think the anti-FF7 vote is a very real thing. The game always suffers, and Cloud/Seph absolutely suffer.

"Pretty strong" is still vague. Their range of potential strength is fairly broad.

Anti-FF7 voting definitely exists but it's already factored into Cloud's strength and Cloud is still super strong. Even if Cloud has gotten even weaker over the years, he's still far away from losing to a character on the level of Jigglypuff. Although, if Hungrybox tweets about the match, Cloud is probably pretty screwed.

FFVII finished with an ownership rate of 66.72% in yesterday's poll. In fact, FFVII's ownership rate has actually increased over the past 6 years. This is the history of FFVII's ownership rate:

1/31/2012 - 57.92%
1/31/2016 - 63.85%
1/31/2017 - 65.45%
9/7/2017 - 66.72%

It's quite interesting to see an increase in ownership rate over the past few years, though I guess you can blame that on the PS4 and Steam releases. When we had a playrate poll back in 2016, I attempted to use the playrate result to figure out the difference between the playrate when compared to the ownership rate of the 2016 poll. The assumption was made that the playrate at the time of the 2016 ownership poll would be equal to the playrate in the actual playrate poll later in the year. This produced a difference of 4.54% between the playrate and ownership rate and then I applied that difference to the 2012 ownership poll to get a playrate estimate for early 2012. However, this estimate has issues of its own because as FFVII's ownership rate continues to increase, the disparity between ownership and playrate will become smaller. Instead, I came up with the idea of estimating the playrate based on changes in ownership rate. For example, there is a 5.93% increase in ownership in the 2016 poll vs. the 2012 poll. Using the playrate result of 77.28% from late 2016, this projects an estimated playrate of 71.35% for the 2012 ownership poll.

History of FFVII's playrate:

5/8/2003 - 81.34%
11/5/2005 - 75.04%
7/22/2009 - 70.83%
1/31/2012 - 71.35% (extrapolated)
9/7/2016 - 77.28%
1/29/2017 - 77.76%
1/30/2017 - 76.79%
1/31/2017 - 78.46%
9/7/2017 - 78.93% (extrapolated)

LusterSoldier posted...

5/8/2003 - 81.34%

the glory days

Team Rocket Elite posted...

Anti-FF7 voting definitely exists but it's already factored into Cloud's strength and Cloud is still super strong. Even if Cloud has gotten even weaker over the years, he's still far away from losing to a character on the level of Jigglypuff. Although, if Hungrybox tweets about the match, Cloud is probably pretty screwed.

Oh sorry, I meant to agree that Cloud probably beats Jigglypuff easily without rallies. I think I'm spot on with most of my other picks though, and he is definitely not #2 anymore.

Team Rocket Elite posted...

If I had to guess, I would imagine Blastoise and Charmander are stronger than Squirtle and weaker than Charizard.

I agree.

LeonhartFour posted...

Dreamcast poll a day early means hopefully FFVIII poll tomorrow

Unfortunately, it ends up being a PlayStation poll instead.

fail SBAllen

fail

You'll probably have to wait until 2019 when FFVIII turns 20 years old for a playrate or ownership poll.

I guess I'll wait then.

I don't think I'll be able to play the entire Final Fantasy series in chronological order until I finally play VIII for the first time in less than a year, but who knows.

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Any idea of how many games post-2004 entered the other BGE contests? And how many "new" games up to 2009 were scrapped in 2015 (i.e. SSB Brawl)?