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NowItsAngeTime posted...

CaptainOfCrush posted...

I'd take it over any other Square game and almost every Nintendo game, but I'm not taking OoT to lose against a non-rallied game.

I'd probably take LttP over CT before I consider taking CT over Ocarina.

This is my opinion as well

This Chrono Trigger is #1 thing kinda reminds me of the Mario/Samus thing. One may look better stat-wise and they could be close but I would still take Ocarina easily in a head to head match.

Yeah this. People thought FFX would blow majora away in 2010 by using xstats from 2009.

Ct may win. But to suggest it goes in as a favourite is just delusional.

I really don't get the CT/OoT debate

that one's just a really obvious algorithm. Are our votals inflated to 50k or higher (70k for empirical results saying it's not even in question, but I'd feel pretty confident with 50k)? OoT wins. Are our votals pathetic 20k disasters? CT is in contention. CT is a very predictable entrant in that it's entirely dependent on the site staying irrelevant to be a dominant force because it's riding purely on nostalgia and a very very very specific voter base. The more you expand the votebase outside the 'gamefaqs hardcore' crowd, the less it's going to do, because it's a pretty obscure game in the grand scheme of things and Ocarina of Time is THE GAME, the only one everyone from shooter dudebros to hardcore nintendrones to next gen kiddies to playstation snobs or whathaveyou always gives a place in the discussion as the greatest game of all time. The more diverse a demographic you poll the less CT can possibly do. Discussing their 'intrinsic strengths' isn't worth beans because we know CT's ceiling is much lower than OoT's. Just compare the amount of votes needed to beat OoT with the minimum amount (66k for a total of 132k votes cast - an enormous amount) assuming it retains a similar value to what it pulled against Undertale, vs what CT got vs Melee (35.8k - meaning you need about 72k votes in a match to beat CT). You can't discuss their intrinsic strengths meaningfully because you need to set a vote total for it to make sense, and more than that, what the voting demographic is like. And honestly I don't feel like entertaining a 'gamefaqs hardcore only, 20k, nobody else cares' scenario is worth discussing. The idea is for contests to attract attention, not be worthless garbage like this one we just had. >_>

Gdamnit!

Nothing worse than getting the final 2 correct and then choosing the wrong year! :(

Definitely should have paid more attention to what I was selecting. >_>

The funny thing is I also got the final 2 correct on my "for fun" bracket and actually went with 1998 for the win except I botched too many other matches to make it to the leaderboard.lol

Oh well... maybe next time I'll do better.

I just checked the results. I am surprised that this final has the most dominat winner ever! Woot.

NowItsAngeTime posted...

CaptainOfCrush posted...

I'd take it over any other Square game and almost every Nintendo game, but I'm not taking OoT to lose against a non-rallied game.

I'd probably take LttP over CT before I consider taking CT over Ocarina.

This is my opinion as well

This Chrono Trigger is #1 thing kinda reminds me of the Mario/Samus thing. One may look better stat-wise and they could be close but I would still take Ocarina easily in a head to head match.

Except by the time they faced in 2005, Mario had become legitimately stronger. Maybe Mario wins if they face in 2004, but I don't think that's a lock.

Which is the unfortunate problem for CT. Even if it was stronger in 2015, that doesn't mean it'll still be stronger next time.

miszelisabeth00 posted...

Lightning Strikes posted...

A 90's contest with OoT in a champions match instead of the main bracket would be good. RBY/FFVII/CT is an interesting three.

Without it it would be a bit like this one. 98 was too dominant. Regardless of if you think 97 or 01 is stronger (I definitely favour 01) I feel 97 would be doing worse as its gen 5 games pale in comparison to 98's. 1998 is just that much of a monster.

Anyway, I want to see GotD2. I always wanted Game of the (seventh) Generation but that has lost its time now.

No way...

CT vs OoT deserve their match. It's not at all a foregone conclusion.

Make OoT in its own half.
CT in its own quadrant
And VII and RBY in the same quadrant.

Winner of VII RBY gets CT.
Winner of that gets OoT in the final.

And CT would get its match if it beats FFVII and RBY. I see no reason to let OoT trash half the bracket.

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Ocarina of Time is THE GAME, the only one everyone from shooter dudebros to hardcore nintendrones to next gen kiddies to playstation snobs or whathaveyou always gives a place in the discussion as the greatest game of all time.

Boner.

Two qualified years for the finals...had to vote 1998, but both are great. No surprise at all this is another massive blowout though, and we still might see this become a true doubling.

What kind of handicap would it have taken for 1998 to lose this contest? Like...if LoZ:OoT wasn't released in 1998 or was DQ'd for whatever reason? LoZ:OoT and Pokemon RB? LoZ:OoT and MGS? Pokemon RB and FFT? Where would you draw the line for it to have lost the contest in a still-competitive way?

Poemon RBY and OOT and then maybe it loses.

Losing both OoT and RB would turn 1998 into an upper mid-carder.

Losing one of them would still make it the favourite to win IMO, losing MGS may make things interesting.

1998
LoZ: Ocarina of Time
Final Fantasy Tactics
Half-Life
Xenogears
Starcraft

2001
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Final Fantasy X
Metal Gear Solid 2
Paper Mario
Grand Theft Auto III

If you remove OoT AND Pokemon, 98 would become one of the weaker 90s years. I wouldn't trust MGS and FFT to carry a year when it's up against real Nintendo and Square stuff.

I think all you have to do is remove OoT, and 98 is toast. It's actually a weak console year if you look past the Nintendo game. Having the biggest handheld game ever and two of the top PC games ever really help it, but I doubt those games can win this contest when you remove their Nintendo console behemoth.

Go 98, beat 2001 worse than 94!

CaptainOfCrush posted...

If you remove OoT AND Pokemon, 98 would become one of the weaker 90s years. I wouldn't trust MGS and FFT to carry a year when it's up against real Nintendo and Square stuff.

I think all you have to do is remove OoT, and 98 is toast. It's actually a weak console year if you look past the Nintendo game. Having the biggest handheld game ever and two of the top PC games ever really help it, but I doubt those games can win this contest when you remove their Nintendo console behemoth.

I'd say if you remove OoT, it'll be somewhat close to 95/97 and even 2001. RBY is heavy anchor just like CT.

Its almost unfair for the other years, as Oot is the #1 strongest game followed #2 RBY.

94 95 07 and 2001 seem to be of similar strength. The xstats should be interesting.

spooky96 posted...

CaptainOfCrush posted...

If you remove OoT AND Pokemon, 98 would become one of the weaker 90s years. I wouldn't trust MGS and FFT to carry a year when it's up against real Nintendo and Square stuff.

I think all you have to do is remove OoT, and 98 is toast. It's actually a weak console year if you look past the Nintendo game. Having the biggest handheld game ever and two of the top PC games ever really help it, but I doubt those games can win this contest when you remove their Nintendo console behemoth.

I'd say if you remove OoT, it'll be somewhat close to 95/97 and even 2001. RBY is heavy anchor just like CT.

Its almost unfair for the other years, as Oot is the #1 strongest game followed #2 RBY.

You're forgetting that 98 was just a hugely respected and great year for games in general. OoT and Pokemon are a bonus. Half life Starcraft and metal gear alone would make 98 win in just about every other gaming site out there.

i think even with OoT removed 98 destroys 2001 because I think RBY would just devastate Melee, which has a old school fanbase with a lot of people that also enjoy old Pokemon. 97/no OOT 98 and 94/same would be a lot closer.

1998 is too strong. If you just let everyone name their favorite game, 1998 and 1997 together can probably hit 50% against the field of all the years.

Are you telling me that over half the people here have their favorite game from these 2 years?

Yeah. OOT, FFVII, and RBY by themselves can probably get to 40% or so.

red sox 777 posted...

Yeah. OOT, FFVII, and RBY by themselves can probably get to 40% or so.

I doubt it. Much larger Poole now.

If that was the case these games would be absolute monsters on the site.

I think20% is more accurate. But even that is a huge %. Think about it. Every video game ever made and almost a quarter is from just 3 games.

40 % is way too high.

Also RBY isn't a favourite game of all time type. Just an incredibly well loved and nostalgic one hst spawned a phenomenon.

I don't think it's that implausible.

In the 2005 best game contest where you could literally submit any single game as your favorite, 24% of submissions all picked FF7 as their number 1.

Granted it's a smaller sample size of course but in 2004 when FF7 won, the poll that asked "Is FF7 really the best game ever made?" had 28% that voted yes, it is literally the best game ever.

Obviously FF7 itself has fallen since then but it's not quite as difficult a feat to reach as you might think.

Safer_777 posted...

Are you telling me that over half the people here have their favorite game from these 2 years?

Resident Evil 2 checking in

red sox 777 posted...

Yeah. OOT, FFVII, and RBY by themselves can probably get to 40% or so.

I'm sure SSBAllen has data from the best games ever everyone submitted back in 2006. OoT was 2. fF7 was 1

I don't know where RBY was but it wasn't anywhere near the top 5. RBY is on it's own a very strong game. But it wouldn't be anywhere near a top 5 if everyone submitted their fav game ever.

Then00bAvenger posted...

I don't think it's that implausible.

In the 2005 best game contest where you could literally submit any single game as your favorite, 24% of submissions all picked FF7 as their number 1.

Granted it's a smaller sample size of course but in 2004 when FF7 won, the poll that asked "Is FF7 really the best game ever made?" had 28% that voted yes, it is literally the best game ever.

Obviously FF7 itself has fallen since then but it's not quite as difficult a feat to reach as you might think.

FFVII OoT and CT would probably get up to that %.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/features/10year

Pokemon isn't even near the Top 20(Pokemon Red appears at #28) And if we did this List again today. You'd have the same top 3. Pokemon still wouldn't make Top 10 most likely.

IT's just a strong game when it's in a contest format

Yeah that's true, RBY probably isn't adding much to that number. But OOT and FF7 can probably come pretty close to 40% on their own. Wouldn't be too surprised if those two and CT combined for 50% in that 2005 minicontest.

red sox 777 posted...

Yeah that's true, RBY probably isn't adding much to that number. But OOT and FF7 can probably come pretty close to 40% on their own. Wouldn't be too surprised if those two and CT combined for 50% in that 2005 minicontest.

LttP and CT were fairly even back then I believe.

I think we can say that over 60% of the sites favourite series is ether Zelda or FF.

I don't think Pokemon is on the same level, but that contest was only like a year after the one where Pokemon Silver/Gold lost easily to Xenogears.

I think it's safe to say that Pokemon has come a long way since then

NostalgiaFAQs has meant wonders for Pokemon. It's not nearing the top, but the number is probably higher than back then where it was very disliked.

Back in early 2014, DDJ got ~2101 users from around the site to vote for their 5 favorite games (in no particular order) and tallied the results.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13V_sjThl_WvS6CzQ4cRAUMVcpIwuYy4MC6m9Uz8b6Zk/edit#gid=1647357978

Ocarina of Time: 214/2101 = 10.19%
FFVII: 182/2101 = 8.66%
Pokemon RBY (including the 3 votes for FR/LG): 66/2101 = 3.14%

And that's people who had those games in their top 5, not #1.

Maybe his respondents had more diverse tastes than the site at large but it would have to be to a pretty vast extent in order to get RBY+FFVII+OoT even close to being 40% of people's #1 game.

Man things back there.. 3 games amounted to over 50% of what people liked! But many years have passed since then. I am pretty sure now that people like hundreds of games.
I don't know if even me would vote for FF7 for my favorite game. Times change.

Have we even gone through 500 posts between the start of the first semi-final and right now?

Doesn't look like it.

Not_Wylvane posted...

Have we even gone through 500 posts between the start of the first semi-final and right now?

What's there been to talk about?

Plus, my internet has been down since Saturday and so I haven't been around to maintain my 10% of all Stats Topic posts quota.

LeonhartFour posted...

Not_Wylvane posted...

Have we even gone through 500 posts between the start of the first semi-final and right now?

What's there been to talk about?

Why, the greatest year in gaming, of course!

Lightning Strikes posted...

miszelisabeth00 posted...

Lightning Strikes posted...

A 90's contest with OoT in a champions match instead of the main bracket would be good. RBY/FFVII/CT is an interesting three.

Without it it would be a bit like this one. 98 was too dominant. Regardless of if you think 97 or 01 is stronger (I definitely favour 01) I feel 97 would be doing worse as its gen 5 games pale in comparison to 98's. 1998 is just that much of a monster.

Anyway, I want to see GotD2. I always wanted Game of the (seventh) Generation but that has lost its time now.

No way...

CT vs OoT deserve their match. It's not at all a foregone conclusion.

Make OoT in its own half.
CT in its own quadrant
And VII and RBY in the same quadrant.

Winner of VII RBY gets CT.
Winner of that gets OoT in the final.

And CT would get its match if it beats FFVII and RBY. I see no reason to let OoT trash half the bracket.

That's exactly what I had.... CT would get it's match if it beats FF VII/RBY. It shouldn't have to beat them BOTH.... because it is the expected second strongest right now.

So OoT (which is gonna liquify every game except CT anyway, it SSF's ALttP, Melee, MM, and RBY, and we know what ti does to FF VII) get to run over half the bracket, because it only has one even potential legit challenger, why have them face early, and then the 2 late 90's RPG's can fight to face the mid 90's RPG, and someone has to get a shot at OoT. OoT vs Winner should absolutely be the Championship, if not it's gonna be something like OoT beating Super Metroid by a trillion.

LeonhartFour posted...

NowItsAngeTime posted...

CaptainOfCrush posted...

I'd take it over any other Square game and almost every Nintendo game, but I'm not taking OoT to lose against a non-rallied game.

I'd probably take LttP over CT before I consider taking CT over Ocarina.

This is my opinion as well

This Chrono Trigger is #1 thing kinda reminds me of the Mario/Samus thing. One may look better stat-wise and they could be close but I would still take Ocarina easily in a head to head match.

Except by the time they faced in 2005, Mario had become legitimately stronger. Maybe Mario wins if they face in 2004, but I don't think that's a lock.

Which is the unfortunate problem for CT. Even if it was stronger in 2015, that doesn't mean it'll still be stronger next time.

Was about to say this. Everyone seems to forget the Mario boost.

I'm not convinced Mario would've won in 2004. He looked real bad. He would've needed rSFF to win, which is quite possible, but we've never seen it. It was the old Mario people were picking against.

CT might have lost its only shot at glory already as its boost may not last.

OoT would beat RBY easily, but I'd feel better about CT's chances of beating OoT than RBY. Chrono Trigger and FF7 have the worst track record of getting upset by rallies. OoT doesn't really get rallied...it's just strong. That's much easier to handle these days.

Also going to say one thing - I think that DISCOUNTING RALLY POWER, RBY is overrated like crazy at the moment. It's one of the strongest games here but it hasn't done nearly enough to earn people casually talking about it being the #1 or even #2 game on the site. In the last contest we saw it underperform against Tetris and proceed to have a wire-to-wire match against SMB3 before tumblr spillover messed that up. Neither of those results are godslayer-tier performances.

Is there going to be a bonus match?

The only thing I can confirm is there will only be one poll tomorrow. If we had 2 polls tomorrow, that would have been an easy giveaway to suggest bonus polls are coming up.

It's still possible that the one poll tomorrow ends up being a bonus poll, but I have no idea what is coming up tomorrow.

Thanks, Luster.

By the way, do you have the official vote total count of every match in the contest?

With an estimate of 20600 votes for today's match, the final vote count for this entire contest as a whole would be 590239 votes.


Also, I just discovered this match picture:

http://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/byg/r3/2017_l.jpg
http://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/images/byg/r3/2017_r.jpg

I don't know what kind of weird bonus match we're going to have.

lol what the hell

Undertale vs. Draven

I think those are old. It looks like they were made around May 15 and they are in the Round 3 folder. Round 3 started on May 16. I think SBAllen intended for us to find them earlier.

Maybe he had an idea for the bonus poll earlier but is just deciding to use it now.

Team Rocket Elite posted...

I think those are old. It looks like they were made around May 15 and they are in the Round 3 folder. Round 3 started on May 16. I think SBAllen intended for us to find them earlier.

Yeah, I can confirm they were uploaded on May 15th. Still have no idea if there are any plans to use these pictures for a bonus match. I don't think it would make much sense to upload those pictures without having any plans on using them.


I guess I'll put up a bonus match prediction topic soon, with several possible bonus match ideas to predict. If the actual bonus match ends up being something other than the list of possible bonus matches in the prediction topic, you guys can submit a prediction for the match as soon as the match goes up (provided you don't look at the match results first).

FFVII vs. OOT was the best bonus poll ever, by a mile. Next was Link vs. Santa Claus.

Link vs Santa was just sad. That was on Christmas Eve as well!

Oracle Challenge prediction topic for the Bonus Match:

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/75375758

You will have until 11:59:59 PM EST to put in a prediction for Undertale/Draven or 2017/1998. If the actual bonus match is not one of those possible matches, the deadline to predict the actual bonus match is 12:15:00 AM EST (please don't look at the match results in this situation).

A great Christmas present from our Hero of Time.