ff6man 5/21/2017 9:13:45 PM#201
Looks like I'll at least end up in the top 50. I guess I'll take it.
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spooky96 5/21/2017 9:13:50 PM#202
Team Rocket Elite posted...
Score-Brackets-% Right
60----0--------0.00
59----6--------100.00
58----4--------100.00
57----13-------100.00
56----11-------100.00
55----11-------100.00
54----14-------100.00
53----33-------96.97
52----23-------91.30
51----26-------96.15
50----19-------78.95
49----31-------93.55
48----60-------85.00
47----70-------88.57
46----57-------89.47
45----56-------96.43
44----75-------82.67
43----90-------84.44
42----101------76.24
41----99-------69.70
40----136------79.41
39----140------72.86
38----139------76.26
37----159------68.55
36----144------61.11
35----152------61.18
34----157------59.87
33----148------57.43
32----159------55.97
31----138------49.28
30----140------51.43
29----139------50.36
28----124------39.52
27----133------44.36
26----107------30.84
25----98-------31.63
24----89-------26.97
23----102------17.65
22----89-------26.97
21----79-------15.19
20----87-------11.49
19----82-------8.54
18----59-------6.78
17----72-------6.94
16----68-------5.88
15----52-------1.92
14----61-------0.00
13----58-------1.72
12----44-------0.00
11----39-------2.56
10----17-------0.00
9-----14-------0.00
8-----10-------0.00
7-----23-------13.04


Everyone with a score of 6 or less got the match wrong.

Support for 1998 was strong. Everyone in the Top 59 got the match right. You have to go 29 points off perfect (31 points) before prediction percentage falls below 50%.

Since everyone in the Top 59 got it right, no one fell off the Top 50. Will anyone fall off after the finals?


I'm sure there'll one or two folks who picked 2001
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transience 5/21/2017 9:15:27 PM#203
let's go 94 for #2 year
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And just like yesterday 1998 jumps up big.

1994 is still ahead of 2001
Best Year in Gaming - Today's Winner: 1998
Current Bracket Score: 61/68
ff6man posted...
Looks like I'll at least end up in the top 50. I guess I'll take it.


With 62 points I might also be in the top 50 if like 7 people or so has 2001 winning. Seriously how could I miss to pick a winner between 95 vs 87?
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1994 vs. 1997

Final Fantasy VI
Super Metroid
Mega Man X
Sonic 3
Donkey Kong Country

Final Fantasy VII
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
GoldenEye 007
Mario Kart 64
Star Fox 64

I'd say it's pretty close in a fair match.
Best Year in Gaming - Today's Winner: 1998
Current Bracket Score: 61/68
I thought this might happen.

I'm about as big a Melee fanboy as you'll find outside the competitive scene, but there was a very real chance that it would totally collapse against OoT, and that leaves FFX to shoulder a lot more weight against 1998.

All signs right now are pointing to 1998 being easily - EASILY - the most dominant contest champion ever.
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LeonhartFour posted...
1998 currently projected to get 99.93% on 1973

In a 20,000 vote match, 1973 gets 14 votes.
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spooky96 5/21/2017 9:23:54 PM#212
It should be like 1998 vs Link vs OoT vs Ganon vs LoZ series vs "Link v Ganon' vs MM
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SwiftyDC 5/21/2017 9:25:01 PM#213
1994 vs. 1997

Let's do this.
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In the bonus poll topic NGamer made a best month of 1998 list with three games each

Sept - Pokemon RB/Metal Gear Solid/Fallout 2
vs.
Nov - Ocarina of Time/Half-Life/Baldur's Gate


September looks a lot better, but November has Zelda.
Best Year in Gaming - Today's Winner: 1998
Current Bracket Score: 61/68
charmander6000 posted...
In the bonus poll topic NGamer made a best month of 1998 list with three games each

Sept - Pokemon RB/Metal Gear Solid/Fallout 2
vs.
Nov - Ocarina of Time/Half-Life/Baldur's Gate


September looks a lot better, but November has Zelda.

I think 1995 proved that supporting cast means quite a bit here, so I'd easily jump on Red/Blue.
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squexa 5/21/2017 9:31:10 PM#216
CaptainOfCrush posted...
I thought this might happen.

I'm about as big a Melee fanboy as you'll find outside the competitive scene, but there was a very real chance that it would totally collapse against OoT, and that leaves FFX to shoulder a lot more weight against 1998.

All signs right now are pointing to 1998 being easily - EASILY - the most dominant contest champion ever.


I think it's even worse for Melee since RBY is also there. We've seen polls with OoT, RBY and Melee and it gets really really ugly for Melee, even with some minor support from Paper Mario or Pikmin. And that's not to say FFX doesn't already have enough trouble with FFT, Parasyte Eve and Xenogears all being in the poll too to drain the Square support and MGS2 having to fend off MGS1. Everything else is either antivoted like Halo/MGS2 or easily countered by something 1998 has (RE2 vs SH2, Jak vs Spyro, etc). 1998 even has more Zelda games than 2001 (OoT + LADX vs OoA/OoS).
Team Rocket Elite 5/21/2017 9:33:23 PM#217
OoT, RBY, SSBM and FF10 were actually all in the same poll once:
https://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3504-contest-quarterfinal-zelda-oot-pokemon-ssbm-ffx
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MGS doesn't beat Half-Life by enough to make me consider going against OoT. The third games are a non-factor for both months!

And Leon, I believe that LoZ is still the most powerful contest entrant we've ever had. Back in mid-2006, LoZ had at Top 3 game (including Wind Waker, which was behind only SSBM and FFX) in every console generation. Depending on where you place Twilight Princess (I think most would consider it more of a Wii game than a GameCube game), that still holds true today with TP and BotW.
Yeah, 1998/2001 was always going to be ugly
Best Year in Gaming - Today's Winner: 1998
Current Bracket Score: 61/68
Team Rocket Elite posted...
OoT, RBY, SSBM and FF10 were actually all in the same poll once:
https://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3504-contest-quarterfinal-zelda-oot-pokemon-ssbm-ffx

What's sad is that Melee might have got more votes than this entire poll will.
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Wow, 1998 is destroying 2001. 1994 might end up #3 in the stats.
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Legend of Zelda beats 1998. Still the strongest entrant ever.
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Kind of interesting that Link's Awakening made a 1998 match picture but not the 1993 match pic.
squexa 5/21/2017 9:44:05 PM#224
charmander6000 posted...
In the bonus poll topic NGamer made a best month of 1998 list with three games each

Sept - Pokemon RB/Metal Gear Solid/Fallout 2
vs.
Nov - Ocarina of Time/Half-Life/Baldur's Gate


September looks a lot better, but November has Zelda.


This is basically 2 questions.
1. Does OoT beat RB?
2. In the event that it does, does OoT SFF RB so much that MGS vs HL is irrelevant.

I'd lean Sept for now, but OoT could surprise me.
squexa posted...
charmander6000 posted...
In the bonus poll topic NGamer made a best month of 1998 list with three games each

Sept - Pokemon RB/Metal Gear Solid/Fallout 2
vs.
Nov - Ocarina of Time/Half-Life/Baldur's Gate


September looks a lot better, but November has Zelda.


This is basically 2 questions.
1. Does OoT beat RB?
2. In the event that it does, does OoT SFF RB so much that MGS vs HL is irrelevant.

I'd lean Sept for now, but OoT could surprise me.

There's not a doubt in my mind that November wins that.
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squexa posted...
charmander6000 posted...
In the bonus poll topic NGamer made a best month of 1998 list with three games each

Sept - Pokemon RB/Metal Gear Solid/Fallout 2
vs.
Nov - Ocarina of Time/Half-Life/Baldur's Gate


September looks a lot better, but November has Zelda.


This is basically 2 questions.
1. Does OoT beat RB?
2. In the event that it does, does OoT SFF RB so much that MGS vs HL is irrelevant.

I'd lean Sept for now, but OoT could surprise me.

I don't think Fallout 2 and BG are relevant. MGS beats Half-Life, but not by enough to make up for OoT's big edge on RB.
UltimaterializerX posted...
CaptainOfCrush posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
Why? Starcraft won in a very similar fashion and did not win that contest.

Undertale stormed back from 9000 votes down in R1. What's the biggest comeback in contest history after that? Is it even half as big?

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/(6)Undertale_vs_(11)Mass_Effect_3_2015

2483, but this wasn't an L-Block spot where the perfect crescendo happened. Fallout, Mario World, and Pokemon all in a row was ridiculous, and Pokemon especially would have beaten any rally if those fans didn't hate themselves. I even clearly remember you saying that specific match was different since Undertale was finally against something that was actually fighting back, and that was really the match I was most afraid of. Undertale's power was coming from tumblr and Pokemon is tumblr's #1 game.

I still don't get why Pokemon fans hate RBY so much. Undertale caught Pokemon really late and only won by 3600 votes. If the fanbase was in unison and built a lead bigger than 7600, Pokemon easily wins since they basically have the exact same fanbase. Does anyone really think Undertale comes back from a 15000 vote lead in that match? 10000?

We even have evidence Draven wasn't inevitable. He got his ass kicked when the LoL subreddit disallowed rallying for half a day. These rallies are not invincible, and the fact we even get to have a debate about this 10 minutes before this contest's final shows how sorely missed they are.

I think you're right that rallies aren't inevitable. I still think Link could've won without the downtime, actually. And there's huge random elements, like Reddit mods closing topics. And the whole shady stuff with Allen's "wife".

Undertale may have been pretty inevitable, but based on the info we had after round one I wouldn't call it that.

However I hardly think that rallies is what this contest is missing. It's missing something interesting enough to rally for. People aren't going to get too excited for years. Plus, 1998 was predictably the most dominant favorite we've had, at least since Sephiroth in villains.

I think we should stick to bread and butter game and character contests.

And I'd really prefer not having another GOTD - though I think that's what we'll get in 4 years. Not a good idea for this site though. Outside rare exceptions, it will be full of third tier games and turbofodder. This site isn't interested in supporting many 2010-2020 games. A GOTD would be better than a years contest, though.
1963 votes at the end of the first hour in today's match. It's not the highest vote total at the end of the first hour in this contest (1998/2003 had 2005 votes at the one hour mark), but it's still possible we could break 20000 votes today. I'd give this match less than a 50% chance of pulling that off.
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squexa 5/21/2017 10:05:23 PM#229
creativename posted...
squexa posted...
charmander6000 posted...
In the bonus poll topic NGamer made a best month of 1998 list with three games each

Sept - Pokemon RB/Metal Gear Solid/Fallout 2
vs.
Nov - Ocarina of Time/Half-Life/Baldur's Gate


September looks a lot better, but November has Zelda.


This is basically 2 questions.
1. Does OoT beat RB?
2. In the event that it does, does OoT SFF RB so much that MGS vs HL is irrelevant.

I'd lean Sept for now, but OoT could surprise me.

I don't think Fallout 2 and BG are relevant. MGS beats Half-Life, but not by enough to make up for OoT's big edge on RB.


Guess it all depends on how OoT vs RB goes. OoT looked pretty off in 2015, but I guess it could still SFF RB to the ground.
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creativename posted...
And I'd really prefer not having another GOTD - though I think that's what we'll get in 4 years. Not a good idea for this site though. Outside rare exceptions, it will be full of third tier games and turbofodder. This site isn't interested in supporting many 2010-2020 games. A GOTD would be better than a years contest, though.


We need another GotD. Just not this decade.

The 90s. And you can throw in 85-89 too. That's the contest we should have had this time.
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_SecretSquirrel posted...
creativename posted...
And I'd really prefer not having another GOTD - though I think that's what we'll get in 4 years. Not a good idea for this site though. Outside rare exceptions, it will be full of third tier games and turbofodder. This site isn't interested in supporting many 2010-2020 games. A GOTD would be better than a years contest, though.


We need another GotD. Just not this decade.

The 90s. And you can throw in 85-89 too. That's the contest we should have had this time.


So just an OoT contest
creativename posted...
And I'd really prefer not having another GOTD - though I think that's what we'll get in 4 years. Not a good idea for this site though. Outside rare exceptions, it will be full of third tier games and turbofodder. This site isn't interested in supporting many 2010-2020 games. A GOTD would be better than a years contest, though.


Another GotD for 2010-2019 games would be nice to see, as it would allow us to get a look at games which would have had difficulty making it into a general games contest due to strong competition from other games in the series. FFXIII is one game which wouldn't have been able to make it into a general games contest due to the competition it faces from other FF games for a slot in the bracket.
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UltimaterializerX posted...
For the uninitiated, Link's Awakening DX is a completely different game mechanically.


Not really, it would be like calling Mario Kart 8 Deluxe a "completely different game mechanically."
Best Year in Gaming - Today's Winner: 1998
Current Bracket Score: 61/68
handsomeboy2012 posted...
_SecretSquirrel posted...
creativename posted...
And I'd really prefer not having another GOTD - though I think that's what we'll get in 4 years. Not a good idea for this site though. Outside rare exceptions, it will be full of third tier games and turbofodder. This site isn't interested in supporting many 2010-2020 games. A GOTD would be better than a years contest, though.


We need another GotD. Just not this decade.

The 90s. And you can throw in 85-89 too. That's the contest we should have had this time.


So just an OoT contest

I bet on Pokemon R/B/Y > Ocarina in 2015, and I'd easily pick CT > Ocarina in 2017.
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GranzonEx 5/21/2017 10:28:07 PM#236
Where is this CT confidence coming from? CT hasn't had anything come out in a long long time. It's not relevant anymore. It would get destroyed by OoT and RBY.
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GranzonEx posted...
Where is this CT confidence coming from? CT hasn't had anything come out in a long long time. It's not relevant anymore. It would get destroyed by OoT and RBY.


Actual contest matches.
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GranzonEx posted...
Where is this CT confidence coming from? CT hasn't had anything come out in a long long time. It's not relevant anymore. It would get destroyed by OoT and RBY.

From its performance in 2015, where it beat FFX with 65% and was on its way to a 60%+ victory against Melee before the rallies kicked in.

I'd take it over any other Square game and almost every Nintendo game, but I'm not taking OoT to lose against a non-rallied game.

I'd probably take LttP over CT before I consider taking CT over Ocarina.
The more insular the site base gets and the less votes the front page gets, the better for Chrono Trigger as new releases and such mean less than ever.
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GranzonEx 5/21/2017 10:35:29 PM#240
It got a lot of help from rally spillover

At best we can say it's as strong as FFVII
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It's too bad that 98 had not only the strongest game, but the strongest supporting games as well. The contest definitely would have been more interesting if that were mixed up a bit.
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Also I recall Bacon giving out information about how the votes looked purely from GameFAQs users and while I don't recall exactly what it was, I do remember Chrono Trigger looking pretty impressive(as in, better than FF7 at least)

The more the traffic to the front page falls, the more the poll results will probably fall in line with the userbase
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Then00bAvenger posted...
Also I recall Bacon giving out information about how the votes looked purely from GameFAQs users and while I don't recall exactly what it was, I do remember Chrono Trigger looking pretty impressive(as in, better than FF7 at least)

The more the traffic to the front page falls, the more the poll results will probably fall in line with the userbase

I also feel like previously winner backlash would still very much affect the final round, so CT or RBY or any game not FF7 would get a big nudge in support if it happened in the finals.
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Team Rocket Elite 5/21/2017 10:56:26 PM#244
GranzonEx posted...
It got a lot of help from rally spillover

At best we can say it's as strong as FFVII


Chrono Trigger's matches were largely a day or two before the Undertale match of the same round. CT's matches should largely be free of Undertale spillover votes. The SSBM rally really kicked off when CT was directly facing SSBM. It did the exact opposite of help. Rally spillover wouldn't really help CT anyways. There are no other large sites that like CT as much as GameFAQs does.
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Giant2005 5/21/2017 11:08:57 PM#245
Lieutenant Kettch posted...
It's too bad that 98 had not only the strongest game, but the strongest supporting games as well. The contest definitely would have been more interesting if that were mixed up a bit.

I agree.
They really should have gone by the initial release year rather than the U.S. release years. I think that would change things quite a bit (it would take Pokemon away from 98).
Chrono Trigger is one of those games that no one actually hates.
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Yuri_LowelI 5/21/2017 11:21:58 PM#247
It still wouldn't beat OoT. Maybe for a few hours. But over 24 hours it just wouldn't last. A lot of the Nintendo support Ct has wouldn't do well against a juggernaut Nintendo game. It's ok beating FFX and melee which isn't a hugely elite game anyway before rallies. But an old Nintendo game like lttp or Mario world, Tc would struggle to hit over 55 against those games.
A 90's contest with OoT in a champions match instead of the main bracket would be good. RBY/FFVII/CT is an interesting three.

Without it it would be a bit like this one. 98 was too dominant. Regardless of if you think 97 or 01 is stronger (I definitely favour 01) I feel 97 would be doing worse as its gen 5 games pale in comparison to 98's. 1998 is just that much of a monster.

Anyway, I want to see GotD2. I always wanted Game of the (seventh) Generation but that has lost its time now.
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Lightning Strikes posted...
A 90's contest with OoT in a champions match instead of the main bracket would be good. RBY/FFVII/CT is an interesting three.

Without it it would be a bit like this one. 98 was too dominant. Regardless of if you think 97 or 01 is stronger (I definitely favour 01) I feel 97 would be doing worse as its gen 5 games pale in comparison to 98's. 1998 is just that much of a monster.

Anyway, I want to see GotD2. I always wanted Game of the (seventh) Generation but that has lost its time now.


No way...

CT vs OoT deserve their match. It's not at all a foregone conclusion.

Make OoT in its own half.
CT in its own quadrant
And VII and RBY in the same quadrant.

Winner of VII RBY gets CT.
Winner of that gets OoT in the final.
CaptainOfCrush posted...
I'd take it over any other Square game and almost every Nintendo game, but I'm not taking OoT to lose against a non-rallied game.

I'd probably take LttP over CT before I consider taking CT over Ocarina.


This is my opinion as well

This Chrono Trigger is #1 thing kinda reminds me of the Mario/Samus thing. One may look better stat-wise and they could be close but I would still take Ocarina easily in a head to head match.
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