GameFAQs Contests

Oh wow that's my Ocarina picture, too.

Let's see I got that, FFT, Half-Life, Melee, RE2 (you're welcome, @FFDragon), and I think MGS but multiple people submitted that idea.

UltimaterializerX posted...

We *finally* got Link's Awakening. We *finally* got Half-Life.

And most importantly, I FINALLY GOT FFT LEVIATHAN INTO A MATCH PICTURE!!!!!!!! THANK YOU BASED @SBAllen HOLY s*** I AM SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've wanted that very image to be used in a match picture for 13 years now. It's finally happened.

Why Leviathan out of curiosity? Isn't Lich the more iconic one due to its enormous max HP drain?

Parasite Eve made it, but Brave Fencer Musashi didn't. One outta two ain't bad.

KanzarisKelshen posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

We *finally* got Link's Awakening. We *finally* got Half-Life.

And most importantly, I FINALLY GOT FFT LEVIATHAN INTO A MATCH PICTURE!!!!!!!! THANK YOU BASED @SBAllen HOLY s*** I AM SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've wanted that very image to be used in a match picture for 13 years now. It's finally happened.

Why Leviathan out of curiosity? Isn't Lich the more iconic one due to its enormous max HP drain?

I'm a fan of anything ice/water. One of the only things I think astro signs get right is what elements one is attuned to, because you're definitely drawn to certain things depending on when you're born. I've always loved Leviathan, and until FF15 happened I thought he looked coolest in FFT.

The most iconic summon in Final Fantasy at large is Bahamut. I don't think anyone would argue otherwise.

GranzonEx posted...

Golden Sun and GTA in the same year wonder how RacistFAQs will vote

Claude is white...

We should've gotten 2001 vs. 2004 in Round 2 with Golden Sun on the left and "CJ" on the right.

RE2 and PE going to win a sitewide contest.

So, so good.

So why is Link's Awakening DX in the 1998 pics? I thought rereleases were banned.

Either way, I think expanding from 8 to 12 really benefits 2001, since it highlights depth a lot more than anchor.

LeonhartFour posted...

There are a few people who argue that contests without rallies are boring and predictable, even though it was clear Undertale was going to win as soon as it beat ME3 and the contest was worse off for CT losing early.

Well said. Though I disagree Undertale winning was a lock - weren't we thinking it was mostly Tumblr at that point? (I think Allen wouldn't say it was mostly reddit until later?) And Tumblr is probably not entirely reliable.

But CT winning would've been more fun for most GameFAQs users as few had even heard of Undertale, and also, CT would've had skeptics until the end who wouldn't have thought it could beat OoT. Especially as OoT could rally better. So CT would've sparked a lot of debate and interest.

NowItsAngeTime posted...

creativename posted...

I didn't see anyone complain there were no rallies.

Do you have Ulti on ignore?

No. I must've missed that post(s). Was he the only one? I think more regs than not prefer no rallies.

Also, rallying is more interesting when there are counter-rallies. One-sided rallying is dull.

Gotta say, im pretty surpised and overjoyed to see my LA DX pic make it through!

You are high if you think Undertale winning was inevitable. Pokemon annihilates any rally that game has if the fans weren't constantly trying about "genwun", and we've seen WAY more rallies be unsuccessful than successful.

By Leon's logic, Starcraft winning the 2004 contest was inevitable. Missingno winning in 2011 was inevitable. Et cetera. Rallies fail very often and actually winning a contest with one takes an extreme amount of bracket placement and luck.

Not all rallies are equal. It was really obvious that at the end of Round 1 that Undertale caught a L-Block/Draven style rally and was not going to be stopped. That's a complete different level than Missingno. or Starcraft. The people who claimed it was obvious backed it up with predictions on how the Undertale matches would go and they pretty much happened that way to the letter. Just because you didn't see it coming doesn't mean other people didn't.

Weak votals and contest gimmicks can enable some really weird s***, see Vivi > Mario.

I don't really think we can avoid rallies without getting contests like this. Rallies occur because there's something to root for, but that's also what makes these contests so fun in the first place. Take away that and we end up with this contest.

I'm not a big fan of rallies but at this point they're a necessary evil.

creativename posted...

Well said. Though I disagree Undertale winning was a lock - weren't we thinking it was mostly Tumblr at that point? (I think Allen wouldn't say it was mostly reddit until later?) And Tumblr is probably not entirely reliable.

The rally was almost all Tumblr in Round 1 and Round 2. Twitter started playing a bigger role in Round 3 when the Twitter account "undertale_bot" began wrecking havoc whenever it would tweet about the match and the tweets clearly had a noticeable effect for several hours where as the tweets from the Melee pro players would have an effect for maybe 30 minutes at most before fizzling out.

Also, you backed 1995 so you've started to become a believer in Chrono Trigger right? In a world without an SSBM or Undertale rally, CT goes on to smash SSBM, take down FF7 and whips whoever comes out of Division 3. X-Stat projections are repeatedly pointing to a clean, no rally CT victory over OoT. It's CT so it will go flying out the gate against OoT. How do you think people will react? OoT backers, which is pretty much everyone, go into full panic mode for a super tense final match. I don't know if CT would really pull it off in the end but I guarantee CT would have made show out of it. Certainly better than the 57-43 final that was never in doubt that Undertale gave us. Undertale "fixed" a contest that didn't need fixing. It didn't rise to challenge an invincible game. It became an invincible game in a contest that didn't have one.

squexa posted...

Either way, I think expanding from 8 to 12 really benefits 2001, since it highlights depth a lot more than anchor.

SB Allen must have 2001 in his bracket then (I'm joking btw)

Team Rocket Elite posted...

Not all rallies are equal. It was really obvious that at the end of Round 1 that Undertale caught a L-Block/Draven style rally and was not going to be stopped. That's a complete different level than Missingno. or Starcraft. The people who claimed it was obvious backed it up with predictions on how the Undertale matches would go and they pretty much happened that way to the letter. Just because you didn't see it coming doesn't mean other people didn't.

L-Block wasn't inevitable until very late in 2007.

And if we still had 150000+ voters, I would be more willing to give GameFAQs a chance at fighting off an L-Block level rally.

Yeah L-Block winning wasn't official until the end of the contest.

Undertale was obvious from the start though, maybe until Round 2 if you wanted to make sure Tumblr fans would come back. Melee showing up made things a bit interesting, but honestly we lost a lot of interesting things in that contest, the whole Pokemon and the 3 Mario games was heavily debated. Chrono Trigger was looking like it could take on Ocarina of Time. Honestly outside of SMRPG the contest would have been quite boring.

2013 was sort of okay because Draven looked beatable (even the final looked possible until the sticky), but Undertale would have made round 2 Draven look like small change.

Team Rocket Elite posted...

Not all rallies are equal. It was really obvious that at the end of Round 1 that Undertale caught a L-Block/Draven style rally and was not going to be stopped. That's a complete different level than Missingno. or Starcraft. The people who claimed it was obvious backed it up with predictions on how the Undertale matches would go and they pretty much happened that way to the letter. Just because you didn't see it coming doesn't mean other people didn't.

I really don't think Undertale winning was obvious after round 1. There was a good shot based on what we knew then that it only took off on Tumblr via fluke.

Not_Wylvane posted...

Weak votals and contest gimmicks can enable some really weird s***, see Vivi > Mario.

I don't really think we can avoid rallies without getting contests like this. Rallies occur because there's something to root for, but that's also what makes these contests so fun in the first place. Take away that and we end up with this contest.

I'm not a big fan of rallies but at this point they're a necessary evil.

Yes, the more interesting contests will have rallies. I'd rather have a more interesting contest with rallies, than a dull contest without them, even if the ideal is interesting contest without them.

The thing about Undertale is it scored >%50 in every match it was ever in. Draven never really had to, though I'm pretty sure he did in the X and Ryu match.

UltimaterializerX posted...

You are high if you think Undertale winning was inevitable. Pokemon annihilates any rally that game has if the fans weren't constantly trying about "genwun", and we've seen WAY more rallies be unsuccessful than successful.

By Leon's logic, Starcraft winning the 2004 contest was inevitable. Missingno winning in 2011 was inevitable. Et cetera. Rallies fail very often and actually winning a contest with one takes an extreme amount of bracket placement and luck.

Feel free to check the archives. I called the contest for Undertale as soon as the ME3 match was over.

Also, no, those situations were not similar.

Match XXXV – Round 5 – 2001 vs. 1998

Previous Results

2001
Round 1: Defeated 2014, 83.17% - 16.83%
Round 2: Defeated 2008, 68.40% - 31.60%
Round 3: Defeated 1995, 52.11% - 47.89%
Round 4: Defeated 2001, 51.74% - 48.26%

1998
Round 1: Defeated 1993, 85.93% - 14.07%
Round 2: Defeated 1992, 72.85% - 27.15%
Round 3: Defeated 2003, 81.35% - 18.65%
Round 4: Defeated 1994, 66.5x% - 33.4x%

Analysis

This is the final match of the contest. 2001 got a bit lucky last round with 1997 missing two out of its top four games. The picture has been the big story of this contest. It’s unsurprising since I doubt most people know what year a particular game came out. SBAllen has gone all out with the picture; giving both years 12 games though I doubt people will sit there and wait for almost a minute to see all the games.

1998 has shown it is a very dominant year, even more so than I expected. Honestly I’d expect 2001 to have a close match with 1994 and here’s 1998 getting around a doubling. The picture seems balanced for both years so 2001 isn’t getting any favours this time.

There is the possibility that 2001 may over perform because people expect 1998 to easily win. We saw it with Sephiroth and Samus in 2005 and 2006 respectably. My prediction will be based on the normal strength of 2001, but if the year breaks 40% I feel some other factor may be in play.

charmander6000’s Bracket: 1998 > 2001

charmander6000’s Prediction: 1998 wins, 64.73% - 35.27%

I don't think L-Block was a rally so much a rally as it was a legitimate GameFAQs fad that got out of control.

charmander6000 posted...

2001
Round 4: Defeated 2001, 51.74% - 48.26%

I see a mistake there. It should say 1997 instead of 2001 for the second mention of 2001.

LeonhartFour posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

You are high if you think Undertale winning was inevitable. Pokemon annihilates any rally that game has if the fans weren't constantly trying about "genwun", and we've seen WAY more rallies be unsuccessful than successful.

By Leon's logic, Starcraft winning the 2004 contest was inevitable. Missingno winning in 2011 was inevitable. Et cetera. Rallies fail very often and actually winning a contest with one takes an extreme amount of bracket placement and luck.

Feel free to check the archives. I called the contest for Undertale as soon as the ME3 match was over.

Also, no, those situations were not similar.

Why? Starcraft won in a very similar fashion and did not win that contest.

Well Spyro wins a contest atleast!

UltimaterializerX posted...

Why? Starcraft won in a very similar fashion and did not win that contest.

Undertale stormed back from 9000 votes down in R1. What's the biggest comeback in contest history after that? Is it even half as big?

Starcraft caused an increase of vote totals of about 10-15%. Undertale caused an increase of 50% in the first round and 100% in the second round. They were not the same.

Even if we went from a pure vote total point of view Undertale's rally crushed Starcraft's

CaptainOfCrush posted...

Undertale stormed back from 9000 votes down in R1. What's the biggest comeback in contest history after that? Is it even half as big?

There were 2 other comebacks of 6000+ votes in the same contest, both by Undertale. Outside of that contest, I have no idea.

Outside of Undertale the largest successful comeback was Sandbag against Magus (2500 votes)

Duck Hunt did cut 3000 votes against Donkey Kong in 2004 though finished just short.

CaptainOfCrush posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Why? Starcraft won in a very similar fashion and did not win that contest.

Undertale stormed back from 9000 votes down in R1. What's the biggest comeback in contest history after that? Is it even half as big?

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/(6)Undertale_vs_(11)Mass_Effect_3_2015

2483, but this wasn't an L-Block spot where the perfect crescendo happened. Fallout, Mario World, and Pokemon all in a row was ridiculous, and Pokemon especially would have beaten any rally if those fans didn't hate themselves. I even clearly remember you saying that specific match was different since Undertale was finally against something that was actually fighting back, and that was really the match I was most afraid of. Undertale's power was coming from tumblr and Pokemon is tumblr's #1 game.

I still don't get why Pokemon fans hate RBY so much. Undertale caught Pokemon really late and only won by 3600 votes. If the fanbase was in unison and built a lead bigger than 7600, Pokemon easily wins since they basically have the exact same fanbase. Does anyone really think Undertale comes back from a 15000 vote lead in that match? 10000?

We even have evidence Draven wasn't inevitable. He got his ass kicked when the LoL subreddit disallowed rallying for half a day. These rallies are not invincible, and the fact we even get to have a debate about this 10 minutes before this contest's final shows how sorely missed they are.

Didn't Link comeback by that much against Draven? But still lost?

Magus/Sandbag was only 2150. Sonic > Crono was more than that. Draven's 2483 in round one was the former record, I think.

You are correct.

Big Bob posted...

Didn't Link comeback by that much against Draven? But still lost?

I think we meant successful comebacks. Link cutting off 5600 votes or so and still losing might be the record for biggest failure comeback, yeah.

We also probably don't still have contests if Link literally won all of them, so good on Draven for winning. League of Legends is a better game than almost every Zelda, anyway.

Second set of pictures looks kinda weird cause only one of them is in full colour.

I see 2001 was ahead for a couple of seconds

It's not the same as Starcraft because the Internet is a completely different place now. Draven changed the math and Undertale simply took advantage of it.

charmander6000 posted...

I see 2001 was ahead for a couple of seconds

It was ahead for less than 20 seconds before 1998 took the lead and ran away with it.

go champ!

A doubling in the finals, how exciting

UltimaterializerX posted...

I still don't get why Pokemon fans hate RBY so much.

I think Pokemon Go made it clear that there is still a huge RBY fanbase out there so it's definitely not a universal opinion among Pokemon fans. I suspect it's due to jealousy regarding RBY's popularity and how that popularity leads to RBY Pokemon getting special treatment a lot of the time in newer games.

Updated Top 10

Top 10 Most Popular Polls
1. 2001 vs. 1995 – Round 3 – 19489
2. 1998 vs. 1994 – Round 4 – 19454
3. 1998 vs. 2003 – Round 3 – 19378
4. 1997 vs. 1996 – Round 3 – 19363
5. 1994 vs. 1991 – Round 3 – 18429
6. 2001 vs. 1997 – Round 4 – 17816
7. 1994 vs. 2004 – Round 1 – 17441
8. 1998 vs. 1993 – Round 1 – 17249
9. 2002 vs. 2010 – Round 1 – 17086
10. 1991 vs. 1988 – Round 1 – 16964

Top 10 Highest Individual Votes
1. 1998 – Round 3 – 15764
2. 1995 – Round 1 – 14966
3. 1991 – Round 1 – 14850
4. 1998 – Round 1 – 14822
5. 2001 – Round 1 – 13966
6. 1996 – Round 1 – 13583
7. 1997 – Round 3 – 13389
8. 1998 – Round 4 – 12908
9. 2009 – Wildcard – 12782
10. 1987 – Round 1 – 12549

Top 10 Least Predictable Matches
1. 2001 vs. 1997 – Round 4 – 17.06%
2. 1994 vs. 1991 – Round 3 – 19.84%
3. 2003 vs. 2005 – Round 2 – 27.77%
4. 1994 vs. 2011 – Round 2 – 35.74%
5. 2001 vs. 1995 – Round 3 – 36.25%
6. 2005 vs. 2015 – Round 1 – 40.10%
7. 1996 vs. 2000 – Round 2 – 46.81%
8. 1994 vs. 2004 – Round 1 – 49.15%
9. 1997 vs. 1996 – Round 3 – 49.41%
10. 1998 vs. 1994 – Round 4 – 50.05%

Team Rocket Elite posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

I still don't get why Pokemon fans hate RBY so much.

I think Pokemon Go made it clear that there is still a huge RBY fanbase out there so it's definitely not a universal opinion among Pokemon fans. I suspect it's due to jealousy regarding RBY's popularity and how that popularity leads to RBY Pokemon getting special treatment a lot of the time in newer games.

Pretty much, Pokemon fans like RBY, but anyone that isn't infected with nostalgia wouldn't rank it as the best game in the series. Imagine a world where Super Mario Bros. is the strongest Mario game, that's what Pokemon fans have to deal with.

At the 10 minute mark 1994 had 38.82% against 1998

Team Rocket Elite posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

I still don't get why Pokemon fans hate RBY so much.

I think Pokemon Go made it clear that there is still a huge RBY fanbase out there so it's definitely not a universal opinion among Pokemon fans. I suspect it's due to jealousy regarding RBY's popularity and how that popularity leads to RBY Pokemon getting special treatment a lot of the time in newer games.

As someone who's still around playing Pokemon and who plays it competitively, I can confirm this. There'll always be this polarization of newest Pokemon games vs RBY. A good chunk of people who play the latest game simply hate on RBY because it is by far the post popular generation plus that genwun term is for people who've only played RBY/ or those who consider that there are only 151 true pokemon. People who believe/say the the latter no longer even play Pokemon, which makes RBY haters look even more dumb.

The real battle is 1994 vs 2001 in the xstats.

Score-Brackets-% Right
60----0--------0.00
59----6--------100.00
58----4--------100.00
57----13-------100.00
56----11-------100.00
55----11-------100.00
54----14-------100.00
53----33-------96.97
52----23-------91.30
51----26-------96.15
50----19-------78.95
49----31-------93.55
48----60-------85.00
47----70-------88.57
46----57-------89.47
45----56-------96.43
44----75-------82.67
43----90-------84.44
42----101------76.24
41----99-------69.70
40----136------79.41
39----140------72.86
38----139------76.26
37----159------68.55
36----144------61.11
35----152------61.18
34----157------59.87
33----148------57.43
32----159------55.97
31----138------49.28
30----140------51.43
29----139------50.36
28----124------39.52
27----133------44.36
26----107------30.84
25----98-------31.63
24----89-------26.97
23----102------17.65
22----89-------26.97
21----79-------15.19
20----87-------11.49
19----82-------8.54
18----59-------6.78
17----72-------6.94
16----68-------5.88
15----52-------1.92
14----61-------0.00
13----58-------1.72
12----44-------0.00
11----39-------2.56
10----17-------0.00
9-----14-------0.00
8-----10-------0.00
7-----23-------13.04

Everyone with a score of 6 or less got the match wrong.

Support for 1998 was strong. Everyone in the Top 59 got the match right. You have to go 29 points off perfect (31 points) before prediction percentage falls below 50%.

Since everyone in the Top 59 got it right, no one fell off the Top 50. Will anyone fall off after the finals?

Yesterday's X-Stats:

1998 - 50.00%
1994 - 33.65%
1991 - 31.38%
2002 - 28.29%
2004 - 27.80%
1992 - 27.15%
2011 - 25.56%
2006 - 23.08%
2003 - 18.65%
2010 - 16.76%
2005 - 15.79%
2013 - 15.65%
1993 - 14.70%
2016 - 13.96%
2015 - 12.94%
1981 - 11.86%
1988 - 7.82%
1978 - 4.57%