spooky96 5/19/2017 10:45:10 PM#401
FFDragon posted...
not sure if serious but Allen can't win anything

he just has a fun bracket

who rigs for a fun bracket?


Obviously anyone who says its rigged in his favor is joking
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Allen has been running and entering the contests (for fun; he is not allowed to compete for any prizes) for years. A few of us joked about pic sabotage but none of us seriously think he's rigging things just to earn a spot on the leaderboard. As creativename said, he's just made some very questionable pic choices. It sucks for the people who are getting screwed over, but you can blame him for a poor understanding of what the best pictures are, not for intentionally messing with the results.
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FFDragon 5/19/2017 10:45:54 PM#403
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Well, since you asked for x-stats, the 2015 ones project over a doubling.


True story:

Goldeneye (2015g) VS Halo (2015g)

Goldeneye has a strength of 30.04.
Halo has a strength of 19.43.

Goldeneye wins with 67.66% of the vote!
A win of 21,501 with 60,875 total votes cast.
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red sox 777 5/19/2017 10:45:58 PM#404
This is Gamefaqs. This site loves Nintendo and Square. It doesn't matter what the wider industry thinks of Goldeneye vs. Halo.
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red sox 777 5/19/2017 10:48:37 PM#405
3 cuts in a row for the first time. Although they add up to a grand total of 7 votes.
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LeonhartFour 5/19/2017 10:49:45 PM#406
I'm still waiting for that Mario 1 vs. Halo 1 match

we should petition Allen to make that the bonus match
CaptainOfCrush posted...
Allen has been running and entering the contests (for fun; he is not allowed to compete for any prizes) for years. A few of us joked about pic sabotage but none of us seriously think he's rigging things just to earn a spot on the leaderboard. As creativename said, he's just made some very questionable pic choices. It sucks for the people who are getting screwed over, but you can blame him for a poor understanding of what the best pictures are, not for intentionally messing with the results.

Yeah, this is rather ridiculous to think he's rigging the contest to be on the leaderboard or something, considering at the very least, Allen really isn't the most savvy contest predictor. I think he had Pokemon D/P/P over Brawl in Game of the Decade.
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Nanis23 5/19/2017 10:50:56 PM#408
Alright, if anyone wish for it I will eat my shoe
Can't believe 1997 is losing
Damn you FFVII, how the mighty has fallen
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LeonhartFour 5/19/2017 10:51:19 PM#409
interesting time for a 65% update for 2001

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spooky96 5/19/2017 10:52:14 PM#410
98 to 127

srsly
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LeonhartFour posted...
I'm still waiting for that Mario 1 vs. Halo 1 match

we should petition Allen to make that the bonus match

If we take this contest at face value, Halo should win this easily.
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Nanis23 5/19/2017 10:55:17 PM#412
Oh and I want to cry about pic sabotage like most people here
But let's be honest, 2001 not having Melee first hurt it too
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LeonhartFour 5/19/2017 10:55:35 PM#413
And 1997 responds with a 61% update of its own.

I'll check on this in the morning.
Melee is in the second line, which may almost be just as good. Unless you have an old browser that can't scroll the pics, you're going to see that rotation by the time you are able to click the vote button.

Getting left off, or being buried in the fourth line is far worse than getting in the second line.
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GranzonEx 5/19/2017 10:59:14 PM#415
He gave 1997 the strongest starting rotation, there is no sabotage. You can complain about picture sabotage if he used naked cartwheel Raiden as the 2001 starting rotation.
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LeonhartFour 5/19/2017 11:00:57 PM#416
GranzonEx posted...
He gave 1997 the strongest starting rotation, there is no sabotage.


so you think only the first two pics matter?
GranzonEx 5/19/2017 11:04:06 PM#417
Yes I vote before looking through all the rotations or clicking the question mark.

I want to believe FFX>FFVII damn it
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Yuri_LowelI 5/19/2017 11:06:16 PM#418
XphoenixedgeX posted...
Axl_Rose_85 posted...
XphoenixedgeX posted...
Axl_Rose_85 posted...
Oh so @SBAllen has 2001 winning in his bracket. This explains a lot. Sabotaging things to favor his bracket. This is an all-time low. Wow.


If this were true, he would have included MGS2, DMC and Golden Sun in the 3rd round against 1995.
2001 wasn't fully repped and didn't beat 1995 by much.
I hope you're joking.


Are you his alt?

1995 didn't have any depth beyond Chrono Trigger and Earthbound and 2001 was easily the favorite there.

1997's obvious anchor FF7 is backed by Goldeneye (the second strongest game of the year) and SoTN.

Removing Goldeneye is an obvious ploy to shift things in 2001's favor because it is like removing Melee in 2001. Not to mention MK64, a relatively beloved game on the site is removed in favor of a lesser known Racing game.


Well 2001 lost Halo: Combat Evolved this round. Probably bigger than Golden Eye and at least on par with MK64



Sorry dude. Goldeneye would beat halo 1 1v1. Comfortably. It's the strongest pure shooter on this site.
red sox 777 5/19/2017 11:47:11 PM#419
2001 by the hour:

1:00 | 52.69%
2:00 | 49.78%

1997 managed to win the 2nd hour even despite that 65% update for 2001, but the first 40 minutes of the 3rd hour have been absolutely brutal for it. Didn't win an update this hour until 2:45.
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red sox 777 5/19/2017 11:51:39 PM#420
At this point, I'm somewhat leaning towards 2001 winning this one, but really unsure how the trends will play out.
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squexa 5/20/2017 12:22:25 AM#421
red sox 777 posted...
At this point, I'm somewhat leaning towards 2001 winning this one, but really unsure how the trends will play out.


Yeah, I think 2001 should be the favorite to win now, barring major shenanigans. 1997 might make a run at it overnight and possibly even threaten the lead but 2001 should recover in the daytime.
Nanis23 5/20/2017 12:22:28 AM#422
Did we even have trends in this contest? I can't picture any comeback ever
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squexa 5/20/2017 12:23:28 AM#423
Nanis23 posted...
Did we even have trends in this contest? I can't picture any comeback ever


Mostly geographical.
Big Bob 5/20/2017 12:24:16 AM#424
Eh, I think I'd take Half-Life 2 in the "best shooter" for this site. Even if it doesn't have the nostalgia factor, it's widely respected and nearly beat Metroid Prime that one time, though it's definitely fallen. Bioshock also came to mind, though it's hard to gauge considering unrelated rallies nearly pushed it to beat MGS3.

2015 X-stats put HL2 ahead of Goldeneye, though only by a slim margin. If I recall, they were in the same division, too, so it's more accurate than most results. Then again, Undertale...
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Big Bob posted...
Eh, I think I'd take Half-Life 2 in the "best shooter" for this site. Even if it doesn't have the nostalgia factor, it's widely respected and nearly beat Metroid Prime that one time, though it's definitely fallen. Bioshock also came to mind, though it's hard to gauge considering unrelated rallies nearly pushed it to beat MGS3.

2015 X-stats put HL2 ahead of Goldeneye, though only by a slim margin. If I recall, they were in the same division, too, so it's more accurate than most results. Then again, Undertale...

I'd take Goldeneye in a straight match, but that whole division's got stat problems considering it got a ton of spillover from Undertale's rallies.
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I took care in adjusting the entrants around Undertale. They stats for those guys should be more or less accurate. More or less.

HL2/Goldeneye would probably be a close match. I probably take Goldeneye as it's more nostalgic and GameFAQs is old.
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Safer_777 5/20/2017 12:41:09 AM#427
So I just woke up and I checked the results. To tell the truth I don't understand why everyone thought 1997 would win. Sure it has FF7 and SOTN, but 2001 has Halo, GTA 3 and OOT. You tell me which is more important.
And I voted for 1997 of course.
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OOT was 98!
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Big Bob 5/20/2017 12:44:44 AM#429
What's more important is knowing what year OoT came out.
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Nanis23 5/20/2017 12:51:14 AM#430
Safer_777 posted...
To tell the truth I don't understand why everyone thought 1997 would win

Yeah well I gotta admit
https://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/6171-best-game-ever-day-37-quarterfinal-smash-bros-melee-vs-final
I guess I just forgot about this match
Somehow in my mind FFVII was still considered the 2nd strongest game in the site...
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Safer_777 5/20/2017 12:51:58 AM#431
Yeah you are correct. Damn! But still 2001 is more important. Of course people don't vote based on which year is more important. Still 2001 was the favorite before the contest started.
The question is can 2001 hold 1998 under 60%? And I believe no.
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all I have to say is after being on the losing side it feels good to be on the winning side of a bad pic
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Safer_777 posted...
So I just woke up and I checked the results. To tell the truth I don't understand why everyone thought 1997 would win. Sure it has FF7 and SOTN, but 2001 has Halo, GTA 3 and OOT. You tell me which is more important.
And I voted for 1997 of course.

With a fair pic, I still think 1997 wins.
Nanis23 posted...
Safer_777 posted...
To tell the truth I don't understand why everyone thought 1997 would win

Yeah well I gotta admit
https://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/6171-best-game-ever-day-37-quarterfinal-smash-bros-melee-vs-final
I guess I just forgot about this match
Somehow in my mind FFVII was still considered the 2nd strongest game in the site...


To be fair Melee caught massive rallies later in the contest.
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FF7 is the #3 game on the site. OoT is #2. CT is #1.

FF7 would beat Melee quite easily unless rallies were involved. This isn't FF7 vs. Melee. 1997 has a reeeeally bad picture lacking several of its strongest games and the result shows.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
Also, looking at the picture scroll, I think the first line having FFX vs. FF7 is the only reason 1997 is even keeping it close. Everything after that is murder. The very next one is Melee & MGS2 vs. Diddy Kong Racing and Age of Empires. Then Paper Mario and Golden Sun vs. Harvest Moon and Tekken.
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KamikazePotato posted...
Also, looking at the picture scroll, I think the first line having FFX vs. FF7 is the only reason 1997 is even keeping it close. Everything after that is murder. The very next one is Melee & MGS2 vs. Diddy Kong Racing and Age of Empires. Then Paper Mario and Golden Sun vs. Harvest Moon and Tekken.

In fairness, 97 wins the last line, but I've already mentioned that it might as well be invisible because of how long it takes to get there.
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KamikazePotato posted...
FF7 is the #3 game on the site. OoT is #2. CT is #1.

FF7 would beat Melee quite easily unless rallies were involved. This isn't FF7 vs. Melee. 1997 has a reeeeally bad picture lacking several of its strongest games and the result shows.


Chrono trigger isn't no1. I know a lot of it's fan like to believe that. But let's not act like cr is innocent in the rallying that contest from a ton of facebook groups. There was this one guy on here rallying it with a ton of determination.

OoT beats it comfortably. Let's not delude ourselves into thinking otherwise. But CT Fans can dream if they want.

With the current low votals now it probably bearts ff7. But that's about it.
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I think the last line is more or less equal. SF64>DMC>AW>Fallout.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
I'll believe CT>OoT when I see it. You know, it very well could be but until we get that match, there is no evidence of this.

Just to clarify on this, the size of OoT's victory over FFVII, Melee's victory over FFVII, CT's victory over FFVI, and FFVII's victory over FFVI all point towards OoT being much stronger. You have to make a lot of assumptions to put CT on top. Namely Melee weakening between rounds and FFVI being on a par with FFVII while getting SFF'd by FFVII but not CT. It's reaching.
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KamikazePotato posted...
I think the last line is more or less equal. SF64>DMC>AW>Fallout.

I'd take Fallout over Advance Wars. Fallout 1 has at least shown enough notoriety to get in these contests (was in Spring 2004, and I believe got Add/Removed out of the 2nd Games contest), even prior to Fallout 3 causing the series to go main stream. Advance Wars has been completely invisible until now, which is a good enough reason to doubt it here.
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Averia 5/20/2017 1:58:39 AM#442
KamikazePotato posted...
FF7 is the #3 game on the site. OoT is #2. CT is #1.

FF7 would beat Melee quite easily unless rallies were involved. This isn't FF7 vs. Melee. 1997 has a reeeeally bad picture lacking several of its strongest games and the result shows.


I'd say RBY > FF7 .
How OoT , CT and RBY ranks up is something we cannot really say (though RBY can always count on a small rally if needed).
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Also, does FFVII beat Melee that easily without rallies? Melee's victory over FFVII was firm.

Actually if we assume Melee wasn't being rallied in its bonus match, it might win.
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Lightning Strikes posted...
Just to clarify on this, the size of OoT's victory over FFVII, Melee's victory over FFVII, CT's victory over FFVI, and FFVII's victory over FFVI all point towards OoT being much stronger. You have to make a lot of assumptions to put CT on top. Namely Melee weakening between rounds and FFVI being on a par with FFVII while getting SFF'd by FFVII but not CT. It's reaching.

Literally every match you just listed was affected by rallies and/or rally spillover and is completely worthless when discussing inherent strength.
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KamikazePotato posted...
Lightning Strikes posted...
Just to clarify on this, the size of OoT's victory over FFVII, Melee's victory over FFVII, CT's victory over FFVI, and FFVII's victory over FFVI all point towards OoT being much stronger. You have to make a lot of assumptions to put CT on top. Namely Melee weakening between rounds and FFVI being on a par with FFVII while getting SFF'd by FFVII but not CT. It's reaching.

Literally every match you just listed was affected by rallies and/or rally spillover and is completely worthless when discussing inherent strength.


Wel what isn't worthless is noting how strong OoT is. And it's clearly the no.1 game on this site without any rallies and has been since 2008.
KamikazePotato posted...
Lightning Strikes posted...
Just to clarify on this, the size of OoT's victory over FFVII, Melee's victory over FFVII, CT's victory over FFVI, and FFVII's victory over FFVI all point towards OoT being much stronger. You have to make a lot of assumptions to put CT on top. Namely Melee weakening between rounds and FFVI being on a par with FFVII while getting SFF'd by FFVII but not CT. It's reaching.

Literally every match you just listed was affected by rallies and/or rally spillover and is completely worthless when discussing inherent strength.


So then list your evidence that is better than the evidence we do have.

You haven't provided a lick of evidence for CT>OoT, or even for the bonus matches' results being altered significantly by rallying.
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creativename posted...
With a fair pic, I still think 1997 wins.

Agreed. 1997 got a majority of its Nintendo appeal hidden away while going up against a top five Nintendo game. An unfortunate recipe for disaster.
Giant2005 5/20/2017 2:33:28 AM#448
Why is everyone treating a rally as if it is some abnormality that obscures the data? A game having a fanbase dedicated enough to rally for it is part of its inherent strength.
I feel even if you aligned the pics in order of strength, 2001 still comes out favoured. 1997 drops off sharply after its top 5 games, while 2001 just keeps going. And even if you only lined up the top 5, I still think 2001 wins.

FFVII
SotN
Goldeneye
Star Fox 64
Mario Kart 64

vs.

Melee
FFX
MGS2
GTA3
Halo

Not even mentioning DMC and GS or showing the three consoles. I think 2001 would have this either way.
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The biggest shame here is that Round 3 1997 is probably the only thing that could have a shot of dethroning 1998. Especially if that late round weirdness were to pop up where the underdog tends to overperform in late matches.

But, I don't think even the best 2001 can take down 1998, unless in the instance ideal 2001 meets a pic-dickery gimped 1998. I suppose it's very possible and a fitting end to this contest, but that's not going to be something anyone cares to remember a few months from now.
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