CaptainOfCrush posted...
Frog himself is clutch, but that certainly doesn't extend to all things CT.

MAGUS LOL

The only time Magus is reliable is when he shows up to the second round to cost Crono a match against Pikachu.
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LeonhartFour 5/19/2017 9:49:33 PM#352
Oh, few games overall have a worse clutch record than CT. Frog is definitely the exception to the rule.
LeonhartFour 5/19/2017 9:50:10 PM#353
remember when we thought Magus had Noble Nine level strength?

then he lost to a literal bag of sand
_SecretSquirrel posted...
It's almost bizarre that 97's picture from last round is really the outlier, when it really should be the standard.

It might very well be the only time in this contest any year gets the ideal games in the ideal order. That's almost sad.


In the first two rounds it got FFVII, SotN and GoldenEye, it was already doing pretty well.
Best Year in Gaming - Today's Winner: 2001
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Haste_2 5/19/2017 9:52:04 PM#355
So what will the next 1998 pic have? If four games change, I suppose we might have...

Zelda: OoT
RBY
Metal Gear Solid
(one of the other five games from last round)
Half-Life
Resident Evil 2?
Gran Turismo?
Baldur's Gate? Spyro? Parasite Eve?
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scaryice 5/19/2017 9:52:23 PM#356
I hate Melee so much (and I've never even played it). It's going to eliminate me for the second straight contest. I just knew this would happen, somehow. Sigh.
charmander6000 posted...
_SecretSquirrel posted...
It's almost bizarre that 97's picture from last round is really the outlier, when it really should be the standard.

It might very well be the only time in this contest any year gets the ideal games in the ideal order. That's almost sad.


In the first two rounds it got FFVII, SotN and GoldenEye, it was already doing pretty well.

I was mostly talking about later rounds, but even in those early rounds, it had Parappa on the third slot before Goldeneye.

I think order is just as key as the selection, and that bottom rotation might as well not matter, especially in the early rounds when there was actually five rotations.
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97 might be in the lead by the time USA Wales up again. Europe loved ff7. More so than any other game.


2001 deserves to be in the final though. This is a best year contest. Not a best year with your fav games. The depth is insane.

98 also has depth with a higher raw strength quality. But those two years are clearly the two best years when you factor in both quality and quantity.
GranzonEx 5/19/2017 9:54:40 PM#359
FFX forever gets fed to OoT and OoT proxy MM
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FFDragon 5/19/2017 9:55:09 PM#360
Has RE2 been in a pic yet?

It really should if it hasn't.

It's still Capcom's 4th best selling game ever.
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LeonhartFour 5/19/2017 9:55:46 PM#361
squexa 5/19/2017 9:56:32 PM#362
Just watch Allen goes all in with his trollness and removes RBY/OoT for Gex: Enter the Gecko and Shogo: Mobile Armor Division
Team Rocket Elite 5/19/2017 9:56:50 PM#363
CaptainOfCrush posted...
FFVII isn't gonna clutch every match. Nothing does that. MGS had the "clutch" reputation for a while and lost it to Shadow of the Colossus twice in a row. Mario has it occasionally but has also faltered, most notably against Vivi.

Even Zelda has fallen to rallies twice in a row, and OoT didn't even bother putting up a fight last time.


This. Pokemon has a reputation for being clutch and then Charizard went and lost a close match against Mega Man who was being LFF'd by Zero.
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squexa posted...
Just watch Allen goes all in with his trollness and removes RBY/OoT for Gex: Enter the Gecko and Shogo: Mobile Armor Division


98 stil has a ton of the pc crowd vote though.

Also Nintendo fans aren't going to forget about no OoT or Pokemon.

It's imbedded in their minds 98 is the year for them in terms of those two games.


So it's irrelevant.

I think some fans needed reminding games like goldeneye even came out in 97.

And let's be honest. You could have no pics. 98 would still win.
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red sox 777 5/19/2017 10:00:53 PM#365
Hmm....1997 can end the Power Hour above 47%. CT's Power Hour and SSBM's are actually almost identical in strength. By Crono/Vincent 2007 trends, 1997 wins with 55% or so, by Crono/Vincent 2008 trends, 1997 wins with around 52.5%.

But as there are other games here, I don't think we'll get close to the full power of those trends.
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FFDragon 5/19/2017 10:01:04 PM#366
LeonhartFour posted...
FFDragon posted...
Has RE2 been in a pic yet?


It has not.


gross

wish I could picsmith
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LeonhartFour 5/19/2017 10:02:08 PM#367
Haste_2 posted...
So what will the next 1998 pic have? If four games change, I suppose we might have...

Zelda: OoT
RBY
Metal Gear Solid
(one of the other five games from last round)
Half-Life
Resident Evil 2?
Gran Turismo?
Baldur's Gate? Spyro? Parasite Eve?

Welp, let's look at the pic submission form.

Ocarina of Time: 4 submissions
Pokemon: 4 submissions (2 Red, 2 Blue; I assume those are all unique)
Metal Gear Solid: 3 submissions
Banjo Kazooie: 3 submissions
Starcraft: 1 submission (and considering it was used, I think we have a likely snub)
Half-Life: 2 submissions
Resident Evil 2: 1 submission
Gran Turismo: 2 submissions
Baldur's Gate: 0 submissions
Spyro: 2 submissions
Parasite Eve: 0 submissions
Panzer Dragoon Saga: 1 submission (again, used already)
Final Fantasy Tactics: 4 submissions
Xenogears: 1 submission (used)
Crash Bandicoot Warped: 1 submission
Einhander: 1 submission (!)
Grim Fandango: 1 submission
Game Boy Color: 1 submission
Link's Awakening DX: 3 submissions (don't count on it)
WCW/nWo Revenge: 1 submission (but 2 sweet)
WarGames Defcon: 1 submission (!)
Yoshi's Story: (1 submission)

This could all change if Allen decides to say something tomorrow afternoon (though I wish he would tell us now so I could get started). Actually, Allen may have enough variety as it stands, depending on if any of these are good enough quality.
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red sox 777 5/19/2017 10:04:06 PM#369
Well if 2001 does pull this one out I hope it at least has the decency to push 1995 into the #3 spot on the final xstats.
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Axl_Rose_85 5/19/2017 10:06:48 PM#370
Oh so @SBAllen has 2001 winning in his bracket. This explains a lot. Sabotaging things to favor his bracket. This is an all-time low. Wow.
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Agent M 5/19/2017 10:15:08 PM#371
Wow, I figured 2001 had a chance if 1997 received a worse picture, but I didn't think it would actually happen. Still holding my breath though, 23 more hours left. I'm wondering what the split is for this match among the 9 51-point brackets.

I created my bracket the day before the contest started so I was expecting to flame out early. My tie-breaker stinks, though.
Yuri_LowelI 5/19/2017 10:15:42 PM#372
It's over for 2001. 97 with a huge cut
LeonhartFour 5/19/2017 10:15:52 PM#373
Axl_Rose_85 posted...
Oh so @SBAllen has 2001 winning in his bracket. This explains a lot. Sabotaging things to favor his bracket. This is an all-time low. Wow.


If this were true, he would have included MGS2, DMC and Golden Sun in the 3rd round against 1995.
2001 wasn't fully repped and didn't beat 1995 by much.
I hope you're joking.
Axl_Rose_85 5/19/2017 10:17:39 PM#375
Man. Only now I know how a pic sabotage truly feels when you're on the receiving end.

It sucks. Especially with your bracket nearly guaranteed a leaderboard-Top 10 finish.

I'd actually be happy for 2001 (because it actually is the best year in gaming) winning if 1997 went in with its set of pictures from last round and it lost.
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Yuri_LowelI posted...
It's over for 2001. 97 with a huge cut



Not really
Started from the bottom now we here
So yes, 1998 will certainly lead off in the finals with Einhander and WarGames: Defcon confirmed.
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Axl_Rose_85 5/19/2017 10:23:33 PM#379
XphoenixedgeX posted...
Axl_Rose_85 posted...
Oh so @SBAllen has 2001 winning in his bracket. This explains a lot. Sabotaging things to favor his bracket. This is an all-time low. Wow.


If this were true, he would have included MGS2, DMC and Golden Sun in the 3rd round against 1995.
2001 wasn't fully repped and didn't beat 1995 by much.
I hope you're joking.


Are you his alt?

1995 didn't have any depth beyond Chrono Trigger and Earthbound and 2001 was easily the favorite there.

1997's obvious anchor FF7 is backed by Goldeneye (the second strongest game of the year) and SoTN.

Removing Goldeneye is an obvious ploy to shift things in 2001's favor because it is like removing Melee in 2001. Not to mention MK64, a relatively beloved game on the site is removed in favor of a lesser known Racing game.
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LeonhartFour 5/19/2017 10:24:11 PM#380
red sox 777 5/19/2017 10:26:14 PM#381
For all the talk about this picture, keep in mind that Melee does not appear in the first set of pictures today. In a match with FF7 where FFX will get SFFd, Melee is by far 2001's strongest anchor.
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Yuri_LowelI posted...
Why are people talking about pic sabotage?

Sure goldeneye should be in but still. It has ffvii in it. That's all yo need.

Even if both years had the best possible pics. It's a bad performance from 97. People were overhyping 97 becuase it beat what was an awful 96 year with literally one game of any note.

If people think goldeneye is making a big deal then they better hope 97 doesn't make the final becuase it will get absolutely walloped. 98 will literally make most all of 97's n64 support useless and crush 97.

2001 with its incredible depth will at least make it respectable. Might even hit 40. But I doubt it.

I think this post is silly. Goldeneye and MK64 as strong, and without them 1997's depth is crippled.

I doubt 2001 and 1997 would perform much differently on 1998. Both would get whipped.
LeonhartFour 5/19/2017 10:29:31 PM#384
red sox 777 posted...
For all the talk about this picture, keep in mind that Melee does not appear in the first set of pictures today. In a match with FF7 where FFX will get SFFd, Melee is by far 2001's strongest anchor.


and yet
Axl_Rose_85 posted...
XphoenixedgeX posted...
Axl_Rose_85 posted...
Oh so @SBAllen has 2001 winning in his bracket. This explains a lot. Sabotaging things to favor his bracket. This is an all-time low. Wow.


If this were true, he would have included MGS2, DMC and Golden Sun in the 3rd round against 1995.
2001 wasn't fully repped and didn't beat 1995 by much.
I hope you're joking.


Are you his alt?

1995 didn't have any depth beyond Chrono Trigger and Earthbound and 2001 was easily the favorite there.

1997's obvious anchor FF7 is backed by Goldeneye (the second strongest game of the year) and SoTN.

Removing Goldeneye is an obvious ploy to shift things in 2001's favor because it is like removing Melee in 2001. Not to mention MK64, a relatively beloved game on the site is removed in favor of a lesser known Racing game.


Well 2001 lost Halo: Combat Evolved this round. Probably bigger than Golden Eye and at least on par with MK64
"It has FFVII in it. That's all you need."

This statement would carry a bit more weight if 1997 was winning right now.
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_SecretSquirrel posted...
It's almost bizarre that 97's picture from last round is really the outlier, when it really should be the standard.

It might very well be the only time in this contest any year gets the ideal games in the ideal order. That's almost sad.

I don't think Allen is rigging things, as some suggest.

I think he's bad at pic selection and has the wrong idea about diversity over strength.
squexa 5/19/2017 10:31:04 PM#388
This could be an interesting match. The US is big on 2001 so 1997 could likely take the lead overnight when the Americans go to sleep.
creativename posted...
_SecretSquirrel posted...
It's almost bizarre that 97's picture from last round is really the outlier, when it really should be the standard.

It might very well be the only time in this contest any year gets the ideal games in the ideal order. That's almost sad.

I don't think Allen is rigging things, as some suggest.

I think he's bad at pic selection and has the wrong idea about diversity over strength.

Yeah, he's not rigging things intentionally (it would be highly illegal if he claimed any prize money), but I don't think he has quite the understanding of how bad a match pic can make or break things.
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XphoenixedgeX posted...
Axl_Rose_85 posted...
XphoenixedgeX posted...
Axl_Rose_85 posted...
Oh so @SBAllen has 2001 winning in his bracket. This explains a lot. Sabotaging things to favor his bracket. This is an all-time low. Wow.


If this were true, he would have included MGS2, DMC and Golden Sun in the 3rd round against 1995.
2001 wasn't fully repped and didn't beat 1995 by much.
I hope you're joking.


Are you his alt?

1995 didn't have any depth beyond Chrono Trigger and Earthbound and 2001 was easily the favorite there.

1997's obvious anchor FF7 is backed by Goldeneye (the second strongest game of the year) and SoTN.

Removing Goldeneye is an obvious ploy to shift things in 2001's favor because it is like removing Melee in 2001. Not to mention MK64, a relatively beloved game on the site is removed in favor of a lesser known Racing game.


Well 2001 lost Halo: Combat Evolved this round. Probably bigger than Golden Eye and at least on par with MK64

Goldeneye would absolutely destroy Halo on this site.
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Axl_Rose_85 5/19/2017 10:37:13 PM#391
XphoenixedgeX posted...
Axl_Rose_85 posted...
XphoenixedgeX posted...
Axl_Rose_85 posted...
Oh so @SBAllen has 2001 winning in his bracket. This explains a lot. Sabotaging things to favor his bracket. This is an all-time low. Wow.


If this were true, he would have included MGS2, DMC and Golden Sun in the 3rd round against 1995.
2001 wasn't fully repped and didn't beat 1995 by much.
I hope you're joking.


Are you his alt?

1995 didn't have any depth beyond Chrono Trigger and Earthbound and 2001 was easily the favorite there.

1997's obvious anchor FF7 is backed by Goldeneye (the second strongest game of the year) and SoTN.

Removing Goldeneye is an obvious ploy to shift things in 2001's favor because it is like removing Melee in 2001. Not to mention MK64, a relatively beloved game on the site is removed in favor of a lesser known Racing game.


Well 2001 lost Halo: Combat Evolved this round. Probably bigger than Golden Eye and at least on par with MK64


Are you kidding me? Did you not see how Halo did last contest? If anything 2001 gained a lot more by not having Halo and replacing it with MGS2. Whereas 1997 lost Goldeneye (third strongest FPS on the site behind Metroid Prime and HL2) and Mario Kart 64 for Harvest ****ing Moon and Diddy Kong Racing.
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spooky96 5/19/2017 10:38:19 PM#393
Not sure if I count Metroid Prime as an FPS
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_SecretSquirrel posted...
XphoenixedgeX posted...
Axl_Rose_85 posted...
XphoenixedgeX posted...
Axl_Rose_85 posted...
Oh so @SBAllen has 2001 winning in his bracket. This explains a lot. Sabotaging things to favor his bracket. This is an all-time low. Wow.


If this were true, he would have included MGS2, DMC and Golden Sun in the 3rd round against 1995.
2001 wasn't fully repped and didn't beat 1995 by much.
I hope you're joking.


Are you his alt?

1995 didn't have any depth beyond Chrono Trigger and Earthbound and 2001 was easily the favorite there.

1997's obvious anchor FF7 is backed by Goldeneye (the second strongest game of the year) and SoTN.

Removing Goldeneye is an obvious ploy to shift things in 2001's favor because it is like removing Melee in 2001. Not to mention MK64, a relatively beloved game on the site is removed in favor of a lesser known Racing game.


Well 2001 lost Halo: Combat Evolved this round. Probably bigger than Golden Eye and at least on par with MK64

Goldeneye would absolutely destroy Halo on this site.


Do you have any "x-stats" , or sabermetrics to back that up?
keep in mind that Goldeneye has lost it's significance it had in the N64 era. Halo set the new standard for console FPS and most people these days would recognize the Halo franchise over Goldeneye or Perfect Dark.
This board might support your case but not the entire site and certainly not this generation of gamers as a whole.
If 1997 finishes with over 47%, I'd somewhat confident that the pic cost it the match.
Axl_Rose_85 5/19/2017 10:41:14 PM#396
creativename posted...
_SecretSquirrel posted...
It's almost bizarre that 97's picture from last round is really the outlier, when it really should be the standard.

It might very well be the only time in this contest any year gets the ideal games in the ideal order. That's almost sad.

I don't think Allen is rigging things, as some suggest.

I think he's bad at pic selection and has the wrong idea about diversity over strength.


Then how come he is #10 on the leaderboard and guaranteed a Top finish if results stay the same till tomorrow?

Whereas we (meaning anyone who's picked 97 > 01) are screwed at the very last second of a Top finish this close to the end of the contest because of pic shenanigans.
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red sox 777 5/19/2017 10:42:51 PM#397
FF7 surges through 48%. I do miss our old huge trend shifts sometimes.
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XphoenixedgeX posted...
_SecretSquirrel posted...
XphoenixedgeX posted...
Axl_Rose_85 posted...
XphoenixedgeX posted...
Axl_Rose_85 posted...
Oh so @SBAllen has 2001 winning in his bracket. This explains a lot. Sabotaging things to favor his bracket. This is an all-time low. Wow.


If this were true, he would have included MGS2, DMC and Golden Sun in the 3rd round against 1995.
2001 wasn't fully repped and didn't beat 1995 by much.
I hope you're joking.


Are you his alt?

1995 didn't have any depth beyond Chrono Trigger and Earthbound and 2001 was easily the favorite there.

1997's obvious anchor FF7 is backed by Goldeneye (the second strongest game of the year) and SoTN.

Removing Goldeneye is an obvious ploy to shift things in 2001's favor because it is like removing Melee in 2001. Not to mention MK64, a relatively beloved game on the site is removed in favor of a lesser known Racing game.


Well 2001 lost Halo: Combat Evolved this round. Probably bigger than Golden Eye and at least on par with MK64

Goldeneye would absolutely destroy Halo on this site.


Do you have any "x-stats" , or sabermetrics to back that up?
keep in mind that Goldeneye has lost it's significance it had in the N64 era. Halo set the new standard for console FPS and most people these days would recognize the Halo franchise over Goldeneye or Perfect Dark.
This board might support your case but not the entire site and certainly not this generation of gamers as a whole.

Well, since you asked for x-stats, the 2015 ones project over a doubling.
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FFDragon 5/19/2017 10:43:30 PM#399
not sure if serious but Allen can't win anything

he just has a fun bracket

who rigs for a fun bracket?
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Axl_Rose_85 5/19/2017 10:45:04 PM#400
XphoenixedgeX posted...
_SecretSquirrel posted...
XphoenixedgeX posted...
Axl_Rose_85 posted...
XphoenixedgeX posted...
Axl_Rose_85 posted...
Oh so @SBAllen has 2001 winning in his bracket. This explains a lot. Sabotaging things to favor his bracket. This is an all-time low. Wow.


If this were true, he would have included MGS2, DMC and Golden Sun in the 3rd round against 1995.
2001 wasn't fully repped and didn't beat 1995 by much.
I hope you're joking.


Are you his alt?

1995 didn't have any depth beyond Chrono Trigger and Earthbound and 2001 was easily the favorite there.

1997's obvious anchor FF7 is backed by Goldeneye (the second strongest game of the year) and SoTN.

Removing Goldeneye is an obvious ploy to shift things in 2001's favor because it is like removing Melee in 2001. Not to mention MK64, a relatively beloved game on the site is removed in favor of a lesser known Racing game.


Well 2001 lost Halo: Combat Evolved this round. Probably bigger than Golden Eye and at least on par with MK64

Goldeneye would absolutely destroy Halo on this site.


Do you have any "x-stats" , or sabermetrics to back that up?
keep in mind that Goldeneye has lost it's significance it had in the N64 era. Halo set the new standard for console FPS and most people these days would recognize the Halo franchise over Goldeneye or Perfect Dark.
This board might support your case but not the entire site and certainly not this generation of gamers as a whole.


Since you're clearly Allen's alt, why don't you run a bonus poll day after tomorrow. Goldeneye 007 (N64) vs Halo: Combat Evolved (XBOX). If Goldeneye doesn't break at least 60%. I'll shut my account down no questions asked.
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