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Yuri_LowelI posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Yuri_LowelI posted...

Revelation34 posted...

People who are voting for 2001 don't know what a good game is.

I think you don't know what a good game is. Both years had great games. 2001 had more. Deal with it

Too many nostalgia nuthuggers on this site. You should all just be out in a time machine and sent back to the 90's becuase that's the only era you care about.

Yes because everybody knows FF 10 is the best FF ever.

I don't care what the best game is. FFX is clearly a strong game. But add in a ton of other games and you have a better year

I've not heard any compelling argument about 95 being better aside from chrono trigger being the best game ever. Which it isn't. I wouldn't even put it in my top 5 snes games or top 10 games of the 90's.

Then you are wrong.... Period. Not you have a disagreeable opinion, you are just wrong. Not everyone has to have CT in their top 3 or 5 games ever, that's fine. Not everyone has OoT in their top 3 or 5 either.

But both of them are top 10 of the 90's and top 5 for their console.... PERIOD.

Yuri_LowelI posted...

EmDubyaSee posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Yuri_LowelI posted...

Revelation34 posted...

People who are voting for 2001 don't know what a good game is.

I think you don't know what a good game is. Both years had great games. 2001 had more. Deal with it

Too many nostalgia nuthuggers on this site. You should all just be out in a time machine and sent back to the 90's becuase that's the only era you care about.

Yes because everybody knows FF 10 is the best FF ever.

CT SHOULD be wining, don't get me wrong, but FF X isn't up against other FF games in this, so I don't know what your statement is trying to say. If 2001 beats 1997 then that is a conversation to start having.

It's 95 vs 2001. Not chrono trigger vs FFX or melee or whatever. Honestly this is the reason it's nice to see years like 95 get knocked out. Because it's just fanboys from one game trying to claim that year should win.

I'd rather it be years in which multiple strong games are in it with multiple large fan groups.

No, it's pretty clearly CT vs Melee vote stuffing at this time....

But if your anchor is as strong as CT, it is CT vs something, not 95 vs something.

No matter how strong 98 and 97 are, the anchors are so god like that it is absolutely FF VII vs whatever and OoT/RBY vs whatever. If it was actually the year itself, 87 would have beaten 95, but it didn't, because it was CT vs all, and CT is stronger by miles than all. I don't care if 2001 has the literal next 29 games in a combined top 30 for the year, 95 should still beat it because CT is leagues better than anything else that comes out that year.

The only years that have an anchor strong enough to compete with CT where depth should matter is 1992, 1996, 97, 98, 2000, 2002, 2007 and 2013.

Claiming stuffing without evidence is too easy, you could question any results.
For all we know, CT is a really weak game that has a dedicated stuffer that has never been caught and has been doing it for years. Sadly today this isn't enough !

Seriously though, I don't see anything suspicious there, the drop off at the beginning was just the end of board vote.

Let's not act like Chrono Trigger has a perfect record. Chrono Trigger has a very sketchy record, remember Crono/Vincent 2008?

Still salty about that one.

Anyway, back to 1987, it's a powerhouse. Look at its lineup:

Zelda
Metroid
Mega Man
Punch-Out
Contra
Castlevania
Maniac Mansion
Phantasy Star

And Japan and Europe got Metal Gear as well. It started so many franchises and some entire genres, likely more than any other year.

wow, 95! I woulda been losing my mind if I was up at the start. woulda thought brackets > all.

can we get a 01/97 conversation going? what 8 games work with 97? I'd try to figure it out but I'm out of town and on mobile.

98 with 8 games is an absolute slaughter. mgs, oot, rby, xenogears, half-life, starcraft, baldur's gate, gran turismo. yikes!

97's got FF7, OoT, 007, Mario Kart, Star Fox, Parappa...Tekken 3?

Shoutout to whoever did the Twisted Metal pic. Nice to see it get some representation.

The Mana Sword posted...

97's got FF7, OoT, 007, Mario Kart, Star Fox, Parappa...Tekken 3?

Mega Man X4
Grand Theft Auto
BoF3
Fallout
Curse of Monkey Island

Those are probably the next 5 games in order from strongest to weakest. OoT was 98. Excellent and important games, but definitely not as strong as 2001's 4-8. Though if 1995 can hang with 2001 with just Chrono Trigger, I don't see 1997 losing there.

Also, apparantly FFT came out in Japan that year, so it might add some additional strength

The Mana Sword posted...

97's got FF7, OoT, 007, Mario Kart, Star Fox, Parappa...Tekken 3?

SOTN, Diddy Kong Racing, Bomberman 64, Mega Man X4, and a bunch of other N64 games that probably aren't popular here and now but were big at the time, like Turok and Blast Corps. '97 was a great year for the N64, which might sort of give me pause considering 1996 is anchored by Mario 64, which would SFF the crap out of most of those games. 1987 crushing 1985 seems to indicate that depth can overcome the one strong anchor though.

I've thought 1997 would win from the start and nothing's really changed my mind.

anyone want to argue 96 over 97? I'm open to hearing it

All of those games except MMX4 are worthless here. Nobody cared about GTA before 3.

man did my phone really autocorrect SotN to OoT

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Also, apparantly FFT came out in Japan that year

yeah doesn't count

FFT is a 1998 game for the purposes of this contest.

oh yeah FFT for 98

Parasite Eve too

transcience posted...

anyone want to argue 96 over 97? I'm open to hearing it

Well... my bracket has 96 > 97 so.... please

8 games hurts it. 96 has to really dig into the back catalog - Tomb Raider and DKC3 and Kirby Super Star and some other early PS1 games. it probably won't get all the SNES classics that you would want.

transcience posted...

anyone want to argue 96 over 97? I'm open to hearing it

The best argument against it IMO is by comparing their round 1 matches. What's more impressive, 77% against 1999, or 82% against 1989? Although I suppose the 1999 match probably had some SFF in it.

LeonhartFour posted...

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Also, apparantly FFT came out in Japan that year

yeah doesn't count

FFT is a 1998 game for the purposes of this contest.

Goddamn 1998 was a solid year. It's hard to decide between that and 1994 for my personal favourite years.

the 89 match is more likely to have had SFF than the 99 one. a better comparison is probably, would 97 lose to 00?

If Allen thought giving Full Throttle more representation was better than giving the PS1 a slot, I'd be skeptical of any console getting in a pic.

Well my bracket is dead but good showing 95, end up going out looking very respectable, this is a very good performance for it in a loss, 45-46% is a moral victory against 01 given how the results went early on

transcience posted...

8 games hurts it. 96 has to really dig into the back catalog - Tomb Raider and DKC3 and Kirby Super Star and some other early PS1 games. it probably won't get all the SNES classics that you would want.

I think 8 games actualy hlps 96. 96 was a pretty stacked year.

96: Pokemon R/G, Duke Nukem 3d, Mega Man X3, Civilization 2, Time Crisis, Super Mario RPG, Kirby Super Star, Resident Evil, Metal Slug, Quake, Super Mario 64, Tekken 2, Elder Scrolls 2, Crash Bandicoot, Street Fighter Alpha 2, Red Alert, Destruction Derby 2, Dead or Alive, Killer Instinct Gold, Megaman 8, Diablo, NBA Hangime.

I don't really know which 8 I would choose. Probably something like this: Pokemon R/G, Duke Nukem 3D, Civilization 2, Super Mario RPG, Resident Evil, Time Crisis, Quake, Super Mario 64, Crash Bandicoot, Red Alert, Tekken 2, Street Fighter Alpha 2, Diablo.
Well it might look like I can't count, but that is me not being able to narrow the list any further.

Pokemon doesn't count for 1996.

Also, as much as it pleases me to find someone else who played Destruction Derby, that's not really a notable game here.

Destruction Derby Factor

Man where I am from Destruction Derby was the bomb! It is probably the most highly regarded racing franchise (or at least it was before it vanished). The only thing that competes with it is the NFS franchise.

Wait... Why doesn't Pokemon count for 96?

it was released in '98 in the u.s.

Giant2005 posted...

Wait... Why doesn't Pokemon count for 96?

We're going by U.S. releases since this is a U.S. site and a huge majority of GameFAQs visitors are from North America. Going by Japanese release dates would just make this contest more confusing than it already is.

What are everyone's thoughts on 91 vs 94?

I'm still thinking 94 has too much strong SNES firepower. I'd be even more confident if SBAllen winds up abandoning console pictures (91 has the release of the SNES, which would be pretty important info to communicate to voters).

EmDubyaSee posted...

Yuri_LowelI posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Yuri_LowelI posted...

Revelation34 posted...

People who are voting for 2001 don't know what a good game is.

I think you don't know what a good game is. Both years had great games. 2001 had more. Deal with it

Too many nostalgia nuthuggers on this site. You should all just be out in a time machine and sent back to the 90's becuase that's the only era you care about.

Yes because everybody knows FF 10 is the best FF ever.

I don't care what the best game is. FFX is clearly a strong game. But add in a ton of other games and you have a better year

I've not heard any compelling argument about 95 being better aside from chrono trigger being the best game ever. Which it isn't. I wouldn't even put it in my top 5 snes games or top 10 games of the 90's.

Then you are wrong.... Period. Not you have a disagreeable opinion, you are just wrong. Not everyone has to have CT in their top 3 or 5 games ever, that's fine. Not everyone has OoT in their top 3 or 5 either.

But both of them are top 10 of the 90's and top 5 for their console.... PERIOD.

Calm down. No I'm not wrong. You're wrong becuase you think just because ct is this top game it should beat an entire year worth of the top games. Well guess what. It's losing. And rightly so. 95 was terrible compared to 2001.

People who don't like rpgs can easily have a top 10 or even. Top 20 without chrono trigger. Not everyone has OoT in their top 10 either. It's called opinions. Chrono trigger was a great game for its time but it's one of many dozens of outstanding games of the 90's.

I actually played over 100 snes games back in the day.

Maybe it's because I didn't play chrono trigger until the 2000's.

Chrono trigger never came out in my continent. Not my fault. It didn't have a big of an impact on me. I played many jrpgs before I touched ct. it's still a great game.

The Mana Sword posted...

97's got FF7, OoT, 007, Mario Kart, Star Fox, Parappa...Tekken 3?

OoT is 98.

If ff7 and OoT were in the same year then there would be no point in the contest.

Well, 2001: A Game Odyssey is slightly disappointing me for the first time, but I still think it has a good shot to reach the finals. 1995, with full SNES support, is no joke.

Also, not sure if we've commented on this but the "first up" pictures pit Earthbound + CT vs FFX + GTA. I think that's a clear advantage for 1995. It kinda worries me that we'd get FFVII + FFX (without Melee to back it up until later) in the first ups next round.

CaptainOfCrush posted...

Giant2005 posted...

Wait... Why doesn't Pokemon count for 96?

We're going by U.S. releases since this is a U.S. site and a huge majority of GameFAQs visitors are from North America. Going by Japanese release dates would just make this contest more confusing than it already is.

It seems you are right. Final Fantasy is credited at 1990 rather than its actual release of 1987 too... But on the other hand, games that haven't seen a U.S. release are still being acknowledged (like Final Fantasy 5); so by that metric 96 should at least get credited for Pokemon Green right?

I think we're only factoring in original/unique games. Pokemon RBGY are basically lumped into one entrant, and it happens to fall in 1998. Otherwise, like half the 1990s would have some Street Fighter II game eligible (which I wouldn't be opposed to but hey).

CaptainOfCrush posted...

I think we're only factoring in original/unique games. Pokemon RBGY are basically lumped into one entrant, and it happens to fall in 1998. Otherwise, like half the 1990s would have some Street Fighter II game eligible (which I wouldn't be opposed to but hey).

That makes sense.
It also makes it a bit easier narrowing down 96's top 8, so that is a bit of a boon too.

These are what I would plot for the top 8 of each category year (following the American release conventions and ignoring Street Fighter because I have no idea which year it is being given to):

96: Duke Nukem 3D, Super Mario RPG, Resident Evil, Quake, Super Mario 64, Crash Bandicoot, Red Alert, Tekken 2, Diablo. One more needs cut there and I think it has to be either Duke Nukem 3D or Quake. Which of those is better regarded these days?

97: Final Fantasy Vii, Mario Kart 64, Tekken 3, Need for Speed 2, Goldeneye 007, Grand Theft Auto, Fallout, Ultima Online.


Are there any candidates that are more important than any that have been mentioned there?

I imagine 1996's picture will be...

Super Mario 64
Super Mario RPG
Resident Evil
Crash Bandicoot
Tomb Raider
Kirby Super Star (or DKC3)
Nights into Dreams...
Quake (or Diablo)

I think that's a good balance between strength and diversity

For comparison here's 1997

Final Fantasy VII
GoldenEye 007
Castlevania: SotN
Mario Kart 64 (or Diddy Kong Racing)
Star Fox 64
PaRappa the Rapper
Fallout (or Age of Empires or The Curse of Monkey's Island)
Tekken 3

Didn't expected this match to be so close. I guess pic factor is real?

charmander6000 posted...

I imagine 1996's picture will be...

Super Mario 64
Super Mario RPG
Resident Evil
Crash Bandicoot
Tomb Raider
Kirby Super Star (or DKC3)
Nights into Dreams...
Quake (or Diablo)

I think that's a good balance between strength and diversity

For comparison here's 1997

Final Fantasy VII
GoldenEye 007
Castlevania: SotN
Mario Kart 64 (or Diddy Kong Racing)
Star Fox 64
PaRappa the Rapper
Fallout (or Age of Empires or The Curse of Monkey's Island)
Tekken 3

That looks pretty good, but I really think you should ditch Nights into Dreams for the sake of Tekken 2. Tekken is one of the best selling franchises in history and Tekken 2 was pretty much right in its prime. Plus I don't think many people have even heard of Nights into Dreams - I had to look it up.

You should also replace Castlevania with Ultima Online in 97 imo. Castlevania is a big franchise, but a middling game in a big franchise can't compete with the grand daddy of the MMO genre. There are a lot of MMO players out there that are prepared to support the roots of their hobby.
Wait... Surely 97 needs to get its credit for Grand Theft Auto? PaRappa needs to take a hike too.

wut

The Mana Sword posted...

man did my phone really autocorrect SotN to OoT

Lol. You know you spent too much time on your phone on B8, when your phone start autocorrect to OoT

Man, 95 is still making consistent cuts. I'll ask it now:

Chrono Trigger versus Ocarina of Time in the second round (before things have gone crazy with rallies) of a Fall 2017 Best Game Ever contest: who ya got

No reason not to go with the LAW until I see it fall with my own eyes

CT is legit. It thrashed FFX and was thrashing pre-rally SSBM in the last contest, and now 1995's looking like a potential top-five year against 2001.

I'd probably go for the CT-upset against LoZ:OoT -- not 100%, but it'd be a great match and there will be far fewer people taking CT to win.

Where are you guys getting this? A couple of hours ago 95 was behind by less than 500 votes. Now it is behind by more than 600. The gap is widening.

Giant2005 posted...

Where are you guys getting this? A couple of hours ago 95 was behind by less than 500 votes. Now it is behind by more than 600. The gap is widening.

We have a site that records poll updates, here's today's match.

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=6714&num=2

Well, my bracket all comes down to tomorrow. If 1996 wins, I think I have a legit chance at prizes.

If not... there goes bracket.

hey Leon, xstats

thinking this means 87 gets 45% on 01? damn you pictures. I feel stronger about 06 than ever.

man, I might have a legitimate claim to a perfect bracket and I won't finish in the top 50

ff6man posted...

Well, my bracket all comes down to tomorrow. If 1996 wins, I think I have a legit chance at prizes.

I think it needs some picture luck, but who knows, it might get it.

First scroll
Super Mario 64 + whatever VS Goldeneye + Other N64 game that gets killed by Mario 64 (MK64, Star Fox)

Second scroll
N64 console pic + Super Mario RPG VS Final Fantasy VII + whatever

Something like that would really play to 1996's advantages.

transcience posted...

hey Leon, xstats

thinking this means 87 gets 45% on 01? damn you pictures. I feel stronger about 06 than ever.

man, I might have a legitimate claim to a perfect bracket and I won't finish in the top 50

Did we have the same bracket? My only two mistakes thus far are 06 > 11 and 00 > 96, and those are really the only two matches where it can be argued that pictures screwed over the loser.