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KamikazePotato posted... 2005 seems to be crapping the bed 2003 is closer to the 90s then 2005 is. |
Yeah but it's up against 2003. Two of the pics are freaking Disgaea and FFX-2! I refuse to believe FFX-2 is worth something! Time to get all pic conspiracy again: I think sticking the two big guns of 2005 in the last pic rotation slots hurts it somewhat. Would still be losing considering the current gap, but it's probably a bit closer. Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
LusterSoldier posted... Based on certain years being hurt by bad pictures. no I mean what do you want me to base the adjustments on there's no data to adjust anything on |
KamikazePotato posted... I refuse to believe FFX-2 is worth something! The FF name is inherently worth something regardless of the entry as long as it's semi-mainline. FFX-2 was runner up in GOTY in 2003. it's also not that bad of a game |
LusterSoldier posted... LeonhartFour posted...Also some FUN WITH NUMBERS for 1995/2001. In order for 1995 to beat 2001, the following things would need to be able to happen: 1995 was hurt by pics. But let's not delude ourselves into thinking it has any sort of chance. People put too much stock in chrono trigger. As a game it's very strong. But that year was s***. 2001 meanwhile had some of the most defining games in a genre and a ton do them. Basically only a hardcore Ct fan would vote for 95. It's going to get pummelled. And it deserves to be. 95 is up there with 99 as one of the weakest 90's years. Now I'm a European. Chrono trigger never came out. So 95 was even more s***. (edited 5/14/2017 9:39:44 PM) |
LeonhartFour posted... KamikazePotato posted...I refuse to believe FFX-2 is worth something! It's a f***ing awful game. But yeah this is gamefaqs for you. It's good thing 98 looks like it will just about demolish the entire contest. At least this site got something right and we get a worthy winner where outside people don't laugh at the site. |
2003 wrecks my bracket once again :( Fave Five: 1. Rollins 2. Owens 3. Styles 4. Lesnar 5. Ambrose (edited 5/14/2017 9:39:41 PM) |
Yuri_LowelI posted... LeonhartFour posted...PSI_NESS posted...If I had picked 2005 over 2003 I would be so pissed right now; 2003 has 8 games in it's Notable games list while 2005 just has 5. I'm not sure that many people will count Ninja Gaiden Black for 2005 since it's just a rerelease of Ninja Gaiden in 2004. That's like saying 2013 is a great year for WRPG because Skyrim: Legendary Edition came out lol. |
Axl_Rose_85 posted... 2003 wrecks my bracket once again :( dont worry, 98 will destroy this overrated year next round. Yunas perky arse will get ravaged. (edited 5/14/2017 9:43:40 PM) |
squexa posted... Yuri_LowelI posted...LeonhartFour posted...PSI_NESS posted...If I had picked 2005 over 2003 I would be so pissed right now; 2003 has 8 games in it's Notable games list while 2005 just has 5. Yeah I suppose you're right and I'm being biased. NGB is alongside OoT and metroid prime my top 3 games of all time. NGB is a far better version than vanilla though. But even without that 2005 isn't a bad year unless you're an rpg fan which is 99% of gamefaqs it seems. |
I guarantee 1995 will win tomorrow with a proper picture otherwise I'll concede I won't finish with a perfect bracket |
Yuri_LowelI posted... LeonhartFour posted...PSI_NESS posted...If I had picked 2005 over 2003 I would be so pissed right now; 2003 has 8 games in it's Notable games list while 2005 just has 5. It's funny that you say that because 2005 actually has big rpgs and nintendo games in Dragon Quest VIII and Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance, not to mention Sacred Stones as well. |
ninkendo posted... I guarantee 1995 will win tomorrow with a proper picture All 2001 needs is a good melee picture as well but it will win with a bad one too. Doesn't matter what 95 does. This isn't a games contest. 95 didn underperform becuase of a picture. It's just an awful year with one notable game of any strength on this site. 87 had a ton of nes classics. You have to stack up every game. (edited 5/14/2017 9:49:55 PM) |
Yuri_LowelI posted... ninkendo posted...I guarantee 1995 will win tomorrow with a proper picture How dare you say Yoshi's Island isn't a notable game Congrats DpObliVion for wrecking gurus From the place of your birth to the ends of the Earth~ |
I think adjustments based on pics are a very bad idea. They'd be totally arbitrary and meaningless. LeonhartFour posted... yeah I think 2003 is in trouble because it's already struggling and should theoretically have bracket votes I thought 2005 was a slight favorite? Who was the BOP and Guru gave here? |
PSI_NESS posted... Yuri_LowelI posted...LeonhartFour posted...PSI_NESS posted...If I had picked 2005 over 2003 I would be so pissed right now; 2003 has 8 games in it's Notable games list while 2005 just has 5. Yeah but people seem to forget those. Either way 2005 is a very good year. Probably my favourite of the 2000's. Now I'm European. So I'm just putting games in a year to vote when I didn't even play those games that year. 2002 for example got both melee and FFX. So I'm voting for 2001 based on those games too rather than my own experience of each individual year. |
spooky96 posted... Yuri_LowelI posted...ninkendo posted...I guarantee 1995 will win tomorrow with a proper picture A game no one cared about until the GBA port. |
1998 looking even more dominant than expected. 1992 should be pretty respectable. Could be SFF. LttP has done well with OoT before, but SFF might work differently in a different contest type. Though I think probably 1998 is just that powerful. Looks like a better pic wouldn't have won 2005 the match, thankfully. Would've been annoying if this was a close win for 2003. (edited 5/14/2017 9:57:47 PM) |
creativename posted... I thought 2005 was a slight favorite? Who was the BOP and Guru gave here? 2003 - 71 (48.63%) 2005 - 37 (25.34%) 2015 - 24 (16.44%) 2013 - 14 (9.59%) |
creativename posted... 1998 looking even more dominant than expected. 1992 should be pretty respectable. There's noT much Sff. If we did a best gaming year for the Pc. 98 would also win. It was just a beast of a year. This is the first contest in a long time where something that deserves to win will actually win and not something some f***ers rallied for. T doesn't matter what site you go to. 98 would win on just about every site. It's ridiculous how far apart it is compared to other years. (edited 5/14/2017 10:05:30 PM) |
This
contest would've been better if the 80s, 90s, 00s, and 10s were each
one quarter of the bracket. Add 2017 to get 8 years this decade. Congrats to DpOblivion, winner of the BGE3 Guru |
creativename posted... I think adjustments based on pics are a very bad idea. They'd be totally arbitrary and meaningless. The adjustments are mainly to figure out where certain years stand in relation to the biggest juggernauts of the contest, as the raw X-Stats would fail to properly depict the actual strengths of some years. 1987 is a notable case of a year that would be extremely inflated in the raw X-Stats from facing 1995 with its terrible match picture and then 1995 improving its strength significantly next round because of a much better picture. If I were to attempt some adjustments, I might do these adjustments: Putting 1987 at 33% on 1995 assuming 1995 got its four best games. A rather cautious adjustment would probably be 40% on 1995 while an overly aggressive adjustment would be 25%, so I think 33% seems fairly reasonable here. 2006 would get adjusted upwards by exactly 4% (45.14% to 49.14%) on 2011. Since 2011 won by enough to say that it still could have won even if 2006 got KH2 and FFXII, I can't make a solid case for putting 2006 above 2011. So the 4% upward adjustment sounds reasonable. 2000/1996 was close enough that replacing Perfect Dark with Pokemon GSC and Deus Ex with Diablo II would have flipped the match over to 2000. As with 2011/2006, I'd recommend the same 4% adjustment here as well. Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as DpObliVion, Guru Champ! |
Those adjustments are all arbitrary and based on nothing but your personal opinions. |
LusterSoldier posted... 2000/1996 was close enough that replacing Perfect Dark with Pokemon GSC and Deus Ex with Diablo II would have flipped the match over to 2000. please provide proof |
Is it just me or is this contest starting to look a little rigged? I mean take 1992 for example, there is no mention of some of the most important games in history. Like Ultima VII - it pioneered basically everything people loved about Skyrim. Or Virtua Racing which not only pioneered the 3d racing genre, but it is credited with being responsible popularizing 3d in the first place. Those two games are really big deals that were completely ignored - a similar argument could be made for Alone in the Dark pioneering the horror genre, but that is much less significant than the other two omissions. |
scaryice posted... This contest would've been better if the 80s, 90s, 00s, and 10s were each one quarter of the bracket. Add 2017 to get 8 years this decade. Ya, no. The only thing that would accomplish is get more s*** fodder years in in place of worthwhile ones. Segregation by release didn't work in the games contest, why would it work here. DpObliVion, my hat is off to you. Welcome to the Guru Champions Club lol xstats |
Updated Top 10 Top 10 Closest Matches 1. 1996 – 51.38% vs. 2000 – 48.62% - Round 2 – 2.76% 2. 1995 – 52.39% vs. 1987 – 47.61% - Round 2 – 4.78% 3. 2011 – 54.86% vs. 2006 – 45.14% - Round 1 – 9.72% 4. 1991 – 54.87% vs. 2002 – 45.13% - Round 2 – 9.74% 5. 2003 – 58.03% vs. 2013 – 41.97% - Round 1 – 16.06% 6. 1994 – 58.69% vs. 2004 – 41.31% - Round 1 – 17.38% 7. 2005 – 59.02% vs. 2015 – 40.98% - Round 1 – 18.04% 8. 1994 – 62.02% vs. 2011 – 37.98% - Round 2 – 24.04% 9. 2000 – 65.30% vs. 1990 – 34.70% - Round 1 – 30.60% 10. 2001 – 68.40% vs. 2008 – 31.60% - Round 2 – 36.80% Top 10 Smallest Vote Gaps 1. 1996 – 7880 vs. 2000 – 7465 – Round 2 – 424 2. 1995 – 8668 vs. 1987 – 7878 – Round 2 – 790 3. 1991 – 8664 vs. 2002 – 7125 – Round 2 – 1539 4. 2011 – 9262 vs. 2006 – 7622 – Round 1 – 1640 5. 2003 – 9711 vs. 2013 – 7024 – Round 1 – 2687 6. 2005 – 9799 vs. 2015 – 6803 – Round 1 – 2996 7. 1994 – 10236 vs. 2004 – 7205 – Round 1 – 3031 8. 1994 – 9808 vs. 2011 – 6006 – Round 2 – 3803 9. 2000 – 10770 vs. 1990 – 5722 – Round 1 – 5048 10. 2001 – 11368 vs. 2008 – 5251 – Round 2 – 6117 Top 10 Least Popular Polls 1. 2005 vs. 1978 – Wildcard – 14431 2. 2006 vs. 1981 – Wildcard – 15020 3. 2007 vs. 2012 – Round 1 – 15242 4. 1996 vs. 2000 – Round 2 – 15336 5. 1997 vs. 2007 – Round 2 – 15497 6. 1989 vs. 1983 – Wildcard – 15678 7. 2009 vs. 1979 – Wildcard – 15760 8. 1991 vs. 2002 – Round 2 – 15789 9. 1994 vs. 2011 – Round 2 – 15815 10. 1997 vs. 1999 – Round 1 – 16003 Top 10 Least Impressive Winners 1. 1996 – Round 2 – 7880 2. 1991 – Round 2 – 8664 3. 1995 – Round 2 – 8668 4. 2011 – Round 1 – 9262 5. 2003 – Round 1 – 9711 6. 2005 – Round 1 – 9799 7. 1994 – Round 2 – 9809 8. 1994 – Round 1 – 10236 9. 2000 – Round 1 – 10770 10. 1989 – Wildcard – 10929 Top 10 Most Impressive Losers 1. 1987 – Round 2 – 7878 2. 2006 – Round 1 – 7622 3. 2000 – Round 2 – 7456 4. 2004 – Round 1 – 7205 5. 2002 – Round 2 – 7125 6. 2013 – Round 1 – 7024 7. 2015 – Round 1 – 6803 8. 2011 – Round 2 – 6006 9. 1990 – Round 1 – 5722 10. 2008 – Round 2 – 5251 Top 10 Least Predictable Matches 1. 1994 vs. 2011 – Round 2 – 35.74% 2. 2005 vs. 2015 – Round 1 – 40.10% 3. 1996 vs. 2000 – Round 2 – 46.81% 4. 1994 vs. 2004 – Round 1 – 49.15% 5. 2003 vs. 2013 – Round 1 – 50.17% 6. 1991 vs. 2002 – Round 2 – 52.24% 7. 2011 vs. 2006 – Round 1 – 52.93% 8. 1995 vs. 1987 – Round 2 – 57.85% 9. 2000 vs. 1990 – Round 1 – 63.21% 10. 2001 vs. 2008 – Round 2 – 68.02% Best Year in Gaming - Today's Winners: 1998 and 2003 Current Bracket Score: 29/32 |
God damn, me overrating 2005 and underrating 2003 are my biggest mistakes this contest And even when I see this result I still don't understand why this is happening The only thing going for 2003 is Wind Waker, since when is it so strong? why the f*** the year RE4 and SotC is so weak? 3DS FC : 3411-1762-0066 |
Giant2005 posted... Is it just me or is this contest starting to look a little rigged? Ya, I'm sure Ultima 7 and Virtua Racing would have led 1992 to victory over OoT. DpObliVion, my hat is off to you. Welcome to the Guru Champions Club lol xstats |
Giant2005 posted... Is it just me or is this contest starting to look a little rigged? Rigged? Dude. You could literally replace the entirely of that 98 lineup and replace it with a 2nd tier set of games and it would still beat 92. Also a lot of people on this site haven't even heard of ultima. Yes it was groundbreaking for its time and influential but no one on this site cares. |
Wind
Waker's been pretty strong the whole time, really! It just never got a
chance to show what it's made of because it got Starcraft'd in 2004 and
got saddled with Melee in 2009. |
Yuri_LowelI posted... creativename posted...1998 looking even more dominant than expected. 1992 should be pretty respectable. Yeah, it's crazy to think about how '98 is arguably an even more monumental year for the PC community (HL, SC, Baldur's Gate, Thief, Grim Fandango, etc) than the console community. I've seen serious articles written about why 1998 is the best year in gaming that don't even mention OoT or MGS. |
Yuri_LowelI posted... scaryice posted...This contest would've been better if the 80s, 90s, 00s, and 10s were each one quarter of the bracket. Add 2017 to get 8 years this decade. How much do you really like diversity though..... Tumblr trannies jeez Started from the bottom now we here |
BlAcK TuRtLe posted... Giant2005 posted...Is it just me or is this contest starting to look a little rigged? It isn't about victory - there are so many 98 fanboys that 98 would probably win regardless. What it is about is having a fair battle. Also, although it is an unpopular call to make, Ultima Vii is 10x the game that OoT is. Have you ever tried replaying OoT? It can't be done - it is too boring. |
Nanis23 posted... God damn, me overrating 2005 and underrating 2003 are my biggest mistakes this contest Because it doesn't have a strong rpg or Nintendo game. Also it's not weak is it. Weak is something like 2016. Which is pathetic. |
FFX-2 > God of War All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. |
BlAcK TuRtLe posted... scaryice posted...This contest would've been better if the 80s, 90s, 00s, and 10s were each one quarter of the bracket. Add 2017 to get 8 years this decade. You would have a lot more contested matches that way. We've had exactly two matches within 5%. Congrats to DpOblivion, winner of the BGE3 Guru |
Giant2005 posted... BlAcK TuRtLe posted...Giant2005 posted...Is it just me or is this contest starting to look a little rigged? Honestly, I don't know if anyone in this topic's even played Ultima VII lol. TIL Ultima even reached VII. |
Giant2005 posted... BlAcK TuRtLe posted...Giant2005 posted...Is it just me or is this contest starting to look a little rigged? Why are you just listing OOT? That's not why 98 is winning. Look at the damn year and it's too 20 games then compare it to 1992 or any other year. 98 blows everything out of the water. There isn't a top 20 that can even compare. Also there's no such thing as a fanboy of a year. That's a stupid statement. There is however fans of games and most of the games that came out in. 98 have more fans than that of 92. Ultima was a great game back then. But I'd put half life Starcraft and even quake ahead of it even for of games only. In fact I'd put grim fandango ahead of it too I'm just listing pc games. Not even mentioning consoles. (edited 5/14/2017 10:33:00 PM) |
God of War is garbage 2 line break(s), 160 characters allowed |
GranzonEx posted... God of War is garbage In terms of strength yeah. Games fantastic. Shame this site doesn't care about action games. Games like gow dmc and ninja gaiden get dismissed. Probably because most of the rpg and Nintendo fans can't play them. |
scaryice posted... This contest would've been better if the 80s, 90s, 00s, and 10s were each one quarter of the bracket. Add 2017 to get 8 years this decade. Generational bracket? Ugh, no thanks. Probable SFF all over the place. Giant2005 posted... Is it just me or is this contest starting to look a little rigged? Those games would be worthless on GameFAQs. And I actually really liked Ultima VII and Serpent Isle, but they are as far from GameFAQs-y games as you can get. |
squexa posted... Yuri_LowelI posted...creativename posted...1998 looking even more dominant than expected. 1992 should be pretty respectable. Well yeah. You could argue consoles had better years if you aren't a big OoT fan or whatever. But the pc lineup is mental. But that Forgot about baldurs gate though SOA was better. Thief was excellent too. |
Anyone else think 1998 might actually push 65% in the finals? I don't know if it's *that* powerful. Also it could get obvious favorite anti-votes like Sephiroth in villains and Samus in female. Giant2005 posted... BlAcK TuRtLe posted...Giant2005 posted...Is it just me or is this contest starting to look a little rigged? OoT is definitely one of the GOAT video games. |
creativename posted... Anyone else think 1998 might actually push 65% in the finals? If 2001 makes it to the final it could do 65%. It have it to do similar % on 97 as link ganon did cloud/Seph. I think what makes 98 so strong isn't OoT. It's everything else. If we got every single year in this contest and took away it's strongest gfaqs strength game 98 would still win by a landslide. Pokemon and metal gear alone are enough to be strongest games in most other years. |
F the vote grand total right now is looking like ~600,000. I wish I had an idea of the tiebreaker totals for everyone else. |
So
how strong do you guys think '92 is. The year doesn't have much depth
but ALttP is one of the best anchors you have hope for and SMK (almost
beat Super Metroid in 2009) is a great second fiddle. How does '92
compare against the other strong SNES years ('91, '94, '95) and overall. |
squexa posted... So how strong do you guys think '92 is. The year doesn't have much depth but ALttP is one of the best anchors you have hope for and SMK (almost beat Super Metroid in 2009) is a great second fiddle. How does '92 compare against the other strong SNES years ('91, '94, '95) and overall. Well it beats 95 and 91 though 95 and 92 are about on the same level probably. Not sure about 94 as that has two legitimate strong games in ff6 and super metroid. 95 92 and 91 have one elite tier game each with a bunch of midcarders and fodders. It's why 97 is in trouble as well becuase it only has ff7 carrying it. 2001 and 98 have several top tier or top 10-20strength games. (edited 5/15/2017 12:11:39 AM) |
Ultima
VII is definitely a significant game, besides the fact that I've never
in my life met somebody who played it. (Which is generally true of PC
games that came out before I was born that aren't called "Doom") However, all the games that ARE listed on 1992 are significant as well - just in a different way. A more important way. They're the games that the "average gamer" is more likely to care about. I think pretty much everybody has some connection to Zelda, or Sonic, or Mario Kart, etc. (Wolfenstein is actually probably the least worthy one there, despite being one of the codifiers of FPS or whatever.) Everybody has their own games they care about, obviously. But not everybody's interests can be represented simultaneously when you only have room for like six games. As for OoT, I'd say that it's not a bad game, but it's a "basic" game. All the later 3D Zeldas built on it in some way, so it feels lacking in comparison. Also, whenever I play it I just think "I should play Majora's Mask again" because it's way better and 2000 should have won "Life is like a chess game. If you play the opening wrong, you've already lost." |
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