SwiftyDC 5/10/2017 9:44:43 PM#251
Good thing SM64 is in slot 1.
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transience posted...
depth is nice and all, but when it comes to a year with depth AND a killer at the top, can it hang? even if your depth is better?

The only year that definitely has both is 1998. The other year that many of us claimed had both was 1997, but the more I think about it, the less impressed I am with its depth.

If 1995 gets that same match pic, I really worry for its chances. I'm not trolling Panzer Dragoon or Rayman, but those games/series could not be less relevant on this site. The way 1995 is currently represented in pic form screams to voters "this year has ONE game that you care about." Even if that game is a killer, I don't trust it (not confidently, anyway) to single handedly beat the birth of four all-time classic series, which is what 1987 has.
SwiftyDC 5/10/2017 9:46:08 PM#253
Wait nvm
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Updated Top 5

Best Year in Gaming Stats

Top 5 Biggest Blowouts
1. 1995 – 89.00% vs. 1986 – 11.00% - Round 1 – 78.00%
2. 1991 – 87.54% vs. 1988 – 12.46% - Round 1 – 75.08%
3. 1998 – 85.93% vs. 1993 – 14.07% - Round 1 – 71.76%
4. 2005 – 85.53% vs. 1978 – 14.47% - Wildcard – 71.06%
5. 1996 – 83.69% vs. 1989 – 16.31% - Round 1 – 67.38%

Top 5 Largest Vote Gaps
1. 1995 – 14966 vs. 1986 – 1849 – Round 1 – 13117
2. 1991 – 14850 vs. 1988 – 2114 – Round 1 – 12736
3. 1998 – 14822 vs. 1993 – 2427 – Round 1 – 12395
4. 2001 – 13966 vs. 2014 – 2826 – Round 1 – 11140
5. 1996 – 13583 vs. 1989 – 2648 – Round 1 – 10935

Top 5 Most Popular Polls
1. 1994 vs. 2004 – Round 1 – 17441
2. 1998 vs. 1993 – Round 1 – 17249
3. 2002 vs. 2010 – Round 1 – 17086
4. 1991 vs. 1988 – Round 1 – 16964
5. 2011 vs. 2006 – Round 1 – 16884

Top 5 Highest Individual Votes
1. 1995 – Round 1 – 14966
2. 1991 – Round 1 – 14850
3. 1998 – Round 1 – 14822
4. 2001 – Round 1 – 13966
5. 1996 – Round 1 – 13583

Top 5 Lowest Individual Votes
1. 1986 – Round 1 – 1849
2. 1978 – Wildcard – 2088
3. 1988 – Round 1 – 2114
4. 1993 – Round 1 – 2427
5. 1989 – Round 1- 2648

Top 5 Most Predictable Matches
1. 1995 vs. 1986 – Round 1 – 88.66%
2. 2009 vs. 1979 – Wildcard – 87.86%
3. 1998 vs. 1993 – Round 1 – 87.84%
4. 1989 vs. 1983 – Wildcard – 87.35%
5. 1991 vs. 1988 – Round 1 – 86.54%
Best Year in Gaming - Today's Winners: 2003 and 2005
Current Bracket Score: 17/18
transience posted...
let's do them at their best

Mario 64
Mario RPG
Resident Evil
uhhhh what else is there

Final Fantasy IX
Majora's Mask
Pokemon GSC
Diablo 2


Super Mario 64 - 40.255
Super Mario RPG - 32.8256
Resident Evil - 24.95938966
???

Majora's Mask - 36.846
Pokemon GSC - 32.3136
Final Fantasy IX - 31.7768
Diablo II - 26.12363361

1996 - 98.05
2000 - 127.06

To close that gap, 1996 would need to come up with a game with an X-stat value of 29.06. That's around the level of Shadow of the Colossus, FF8, and Oblivion. It doesn't have anything close to that, and that's not even considering SM64/SMRPG overlap weighing the year down. At their best, 2000 stomps I think.
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yeah, Majora is strong because of its older brother. FF9 too, and GSC.

same goes for FFX and MGS2. those games are great but they aren't an FF7 or a MGS1. Melee is also weird because it's this hybrid fanservice game where everyone is pulled from something else.

now it could still win despite these facts. I'm just not sure when you talk about a year with Mario 64 or FF7.
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SwiftyDC posted...
Good thing SM64 is in slot 1.

By Slot 1, do you mean the Invincibility Star in the year pic? Because Slot 1 is actually Resident Evil.

But hey, at least the playing field is level here, as 2000 is leading with Perfect Dark.
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Is Panzer Dragoon really relevant anywhere?

Edit: was replying to yoblazer.
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SwiftyDC 5/10/2017 9:47:48 PM#259
My memory failed me.
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what 97 lacks in depth, it makes up in notable games. Symphony is a landmark game that broke new ground. 007 too, on consoles anyway. some would argue Mario Kart 64 does too.

I kind of value that more than just "we got a Mario! and a Final Fantasy! and a Pokemon!"
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Well, if the last 45 minutes of discussion have made one thing perfectly clear, boy do these rotating pictures SUCK?

It's got to be one of the worst executed gimmicks ever done for a GameFAQs contest.
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I like the rotating pics. The games chosen for them are very iffy.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
ninkendo 5/10/2017 9:52:17 PM#264
I believe in 1996

I think it's the only year where a release of a console is going to matter
KamikazePotato posted...
I like the rotating pics. The games chosen for them are very iffy.

I like the idea of scrolling pics, but the lack of objectivity or order in which games are used and what order they come in is absolutely harming this contest so much.
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ninkendo posted...
I believe in 1996

I think it's the only year where a release of a console is going to matter


you're really overestimating how big of a deal the N64 was
Also, let's look at another match that messed up a lot of people here:

Skyward Sword - 26
Skyrim - 33.51108307
Dark Souls - 24.089096
Mortal Kombat - X

Okami - 26.7878424
Oblivion - 29.91725184
Gears of War - X
Twilight Princess - 34.748116

I arbitraily gave Skyward Sword a value of 26, which means it barely beats Chrono Cross and barely loses to Diablo 2 and The Last of Us. I don't think that game was well-received here.

Ignoring MK and GoW. Those are essentially non-factors.

2011 - 83.6
2006 - 91.457

By all rights, 2006 should have clobbered 2011 even without KH2. So what happened? Well, let's take a look at the rotation of the pics:

1 - Skyward Sword vs. Okami. I don't think Skyward Sword is strong here but starting off with ZELDA in all caps is a pretty nice advantange.
2 - Skyrim vs. Oblivion. This one is brutal. Oblivion is strong on its own but Skyrim makes it entirely irrelevant. I think this is the major contributing factor.
3 - Dark Souls vs. Gears of War. Dark Souls isn't very popular here, but everyone knows it's a modern classic and it's versus a genre that GameFAQs loathes.
4 - Mortal Kombat vs. Twilight Princess. Finally an advantage for 2006, but by then the damage is probably done.

When you combine that with the lack of Kingdom Hearts II, and it definitely appears that the fix was in for 2011.
Black Turtle did a pretty good job.
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KamikazePotato posted...
I like the rotating pics. The games chosen for them are very iffy.


When we switch over to 1 match per day in Round 3, we'll get larger match pictures. However, the match pictures in Round 3 and later should be expected to be twice as large in terms of width. If the width is twice as large, it presents an interesting question as to how to best use that additional width. I've created 2 possible mock-up formats for Round 3 pictures and later:

Format 1 - http://i.imgur.com/vJTB0By.png
Format 2 - http://i.imgur.com/gUOoD9J.png

Format 1 is probably what I'm expecting to see, but I don't see much reason to make the games even wider than they already are. The more appealing option is Format 2, which takes advantage of the increased picture width to display up to 6 games instead. With Format 2, each rotation of the match picture would display 2 games at once. Format 2 is also a better option because there are only 4 pictures scroll through, instead of 5 pictures for Format 1 (the current format so far).
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Nanis23 5/10/2017 10:15:51 PM#269
Should I be ashamed of my 2013 pick
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Shinobi120 5/10/2017 10:16:35 PM#270
@KamikazePotato

No need to worry, 1994 is gonna destroy 2011 on the next round.
Yuri_LowelI 5/10/2017 11:00:32 PM#271
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Hopefully the tumblr blogs start lighting up in the morning, and we get a nice little reduced strength rally to carry 2015 to round 2 and no further.


No. 2005 is a great year. Re4 sotc god of war ninja gaiden black. It's one of my fav years of the 2000's

2015 was very good but I'd put 2017 ahead of 2015 easily and we haven't been even finished the year
If this result holds my round 1 was perfect! Stoked
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LusterSoldier posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
I like the rotating pics. The games chosen for them are very iffy.


When we switch over to 1 match per day in Round 3, we'll get larger match pictures. However, the match pictures in Round 3 and later should be expected to be twice as large in terms of width. If the width is twice as large, it presents an interesting question as to how to best use that additional width. I've created 2 possible mock-up formats for Round 3 pictures and later:

Format 1 - http://i.imgur.com/vJTB0By.png
Format 2 - http://i.imgur.com/gUOoD9J.png

Format 1 is probably what I'm expecting to see, but I don't see much reason to make the games even wider than they already are. The more appealing option is Format 2, which takes advantage of the increased picture width to display up to 6 games instead. With Format 2, each rotation of the match picture would display 2 games at once. Format 2 is also a better option because there are only 4 pictures scroll through, instead of 5 pictures for Format 1 (the current format so far).

Ideally, I'm hoping for user submitted pics that are the size of all the Format 1's squares that contain 4+ games in the one picture (there's plenty of room for that), and maybe we scroll through the various pics.
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Not_Wylvane 5/11/2017 2:04:09 AM#274
haloiscoolisbak posted...
If this result holds my round 1 was perfect! Stoked

Same!

My bracket's kinda precarious though because one of my semi's is 2001 > 2000, so I'll still need overall game strength to shine against some individual juggernauts. It's possible, but 96/GSC-less 2000 is pretty damn scary, and 95 and 97 are definitely no slouches either.
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shane15 5/11/2017 2:34:00 AM#275
Todays results make me feel a bit better about my 2005>2003 pick.
shane15 posted...
Todays results make me feel a bit better about my 2005>2003 pick.
Started from the bottom now we here
Someone's trying to rally 2015 on the Undertale Subreddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/6ajiak/remember_when_gamefaqs_got_salty_because_of/

Let's see how successful it is. My guess is that this rally attempt will fail.
Big Bob 5/11/2017 4:42:16 AM#278
My first round will be perfect, too. Of course, this is an easy R1. Next round will be harder, starting with the very next match.
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Metal_DK 5/11/2017 5:05:11 AM#279
More proof that undertale mania was just a fad. People (not just here, but the internet in general) in 2015 immediately put it as its favorite game of all time, and that hype died down almost right after the gfaqs contest.

And 2005 > 2003 should of been the favorite in the guru contest and what not. 2005 has RE4. Its very often in peoples top 10 of all time. That alone can make it beat a year with a bunch of good but nothing amazing games like in 2003. And people need to realize that Zelda post Majora's has different contest strength than Majora's and earlier.
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RE4 was my main reason to stick with 05 > 03
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Cheeze_E_Breath posted...
Someone's trying to rally 2015 on the Undertale Subreddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/6ajiak/remember_when_gamefaqs_got_salty_because_of/

Let's see how successful it is. My guess is that this rally attempt will fail.



What a loser. Luckily it hasn't picked up steam. Also 'lets make gamefaqs Butt devastated' will surely be less likely to spark a rally than 'lets give this unlikely underrated game a big push and show it some love!' which I feel was many tumblr voters motives
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shane15 5/11/2017 5:42:41 AM#282
I'd have probably gone with 2003 if it was just RE4.But after what SOTC did that one contest i felt RE4 had a good enough backup.
Metal_DK posted...
More proof that undertale mania was just a fad. People (not just here, but the internet in general) in 2015 immediately put it as its favorite game of all time, and that hype died down almost right after the gfaqs contest.

And 2005 > 2003 should of been the favorite in the guru contest and what not. 2005 has RE4. Its very often in peoples top 10 of all time. That alone can make it beat a year with a bunch of good but nothing amazing games like in 2003. And people need to realize that Zelda post Majora's has different contest strength than Majora's and earlier.


Any game that can't win at least two gamefaqs contests is just a fad.
Metal_DK 5/11/2017 5:55:03 AM#284
The fact that the year its in is losing to a mid card year (2005) in the first round shows a lot. Also undertale was super popular for like 3 months on the internet, and pretty much saw an exponential decline in popularity/discussion/purchases. Ya, that screams fad.

2015 didnt need to win the f***ing contest, but if a year contains a game that caused what it did last contest, ya 2015 needed to beat a meh 2005.
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FlyingForever posted...
RE4 was my main reason to stick with 05 > 03


After last contest I would be very surprised if RE4 beat Wind Waker.
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LinkMarioSamus posted...
FlyingForever posted...
RE4 was my main reason to stick with 05 > 03


After last contest I would be very surprised if RE4 beat Wind Waker.


Yeah I do have the Zelda fear but SotC has always been loved so the combo helps. If it was MM instead of Wind Waker I would have stuck with the Zelda fear. Oh well, guess we shall see.
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If you were to run another contest without rallying I'd expect Undertale to perform a lot better against Mass Effect 3. Obviously it is not a top game on GameFAQs, it was quite clear it got its strength from rallying.

Though to say Undertale was a fad because it isn't popular on GameFAQs is wrong. League of Legends is hugely popular and as a Nintendo example Animal Crossing is one of the most popular series and is yet ignored here. Gaming has become quite diverse, a hugely popular game at one corner is barely noticed in another.

A game like Undertale was never going to be the next Mario or Zelda, it was going to be more like an Earthbound.
Best Year in Gaming - Today's Winners: 2003 and 2005
Current Bracket Score: 17/18
Metal_DK 5/11/2017 7:18:43 AM#288
charmander6000 posted...
Though to say Undertale was a fad because it isn't popular on GameFAQs is wrong. League of Legends is hugely popular and as a Nintendo example Animal Crossing is one of the most popular series and is yet ignored here. Gaming has become quite diverse, a hugely popular game at one corner is barely noticed in another.

A game like Undertale was never going to be the next Mario or Zelda, it was going to be more like an Earthbound.


Its a fad on the internet in general. Undertale was super popular for a few months in the internet sphere. League of Legends is massive still today, and its getting close to 10 years old.
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If we had another contest how do you guys think Breath of the Wild would compare to other Zelda games? Second place to Oot? Better or worse than AlttP?

Obviously it's still recently released but the game is clearly phenomenal and completely rebooted the franchise in a brilliant way.
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Metal_DK 5/11/2017 7:20:47 AM#290
OoT
MM
LttP

all would be ahead of it. Maybe 4th though due to recency bias. Dont see it cracking those 3 though.
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Metal_DK posted...
OoT
MM
LttP

all would be ahead of it. Maybe 4th though due to recency bias. Dont see it cracking those 3 though.


Hmm. I think it could have a chance to beat out MM but maybe if the contest was a few years from now and the dust had settled and plenty more people had gotten a chance to play and experience the game?
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Metal_DK posted...
The fact that the year its in is losing to a mid card year (2005) in the first round shows a lot. Also undertale was super popular for like 3 months on the internet, and pretty much saw an exponential decline in popularity/discussion/purchases. Ya, that screams fad.

2015 didnt need to win the f***ing contest, but if a year contains a game that caused what it did last contest, ya 2015 needed to beat a meh 2005.


This is not true in the slightest, look at the Steam stats. It got most of its sales after the contest thanks to the holiday sales, and it is still played a lot on Steam. It will go down a lot because of no rally, but it's still a beloved game with a moderate amount of natural strength.
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foxhead84 5/11/2017 7:26:30 AM#293
Metal_DK posted...
OoT
MM
LttP

all would be ahead of it. Maybe 4th though due to recency bias. Dont see it cracking those 3 though.

I would take Lttp over MM
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Metal_DK posted...
The fact that the year its in is losing to a mid card year (2005) in the first round shows a lot. Also undertale was super popular for like 3 months on the internet, and pretty much saw an exponential decline in popularity/discussion/purchases. Ya, that screams fad.

2015 didnt need to win the f***ing contest, but if a year contains a game that caused what it did last contest, ya 2015 needed to beat a meh 2005.


This is gamefaqs. 2015 is probably losing because it's further from 1998. Most games that are considered strong here would lose to Undertale elsewhere.
FlyingForever posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
FlyingForever posted...
RE4 was my main reason to stick with 05 > 03


After last contest I would be very surprised if RE4 beat Wind Waker.


Yeah I do have the Zelda fear but SotC has always been loved so the combo helps. If it was MM instead of Wind Waker I would have stuck with the Zelda fear. Oh well, guess we shall see.


Okay now I see your point. It's just that earlier you said RE4 was the primary deciding factor even though we all but know that Wind Waker would smack it down pretty easily (you see what Mario RPG did to poor RE4?).

The thought of RE4 getting crapped on by all these Nintendo games disgusts me, but that's GameFAQs for you I guess.
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Metal_DK 5/11/2017 8:06:53 AM#297
ZeldaTPLink posted...

This is gamefaqs. 2015 is probably losing because it's further from 1998. Most games that are considered strong here would lose to Undertale elsewhere.


Maybe on the undertale subreddit
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Regardless, Undertale would have needed to have gone up to something like SotC strength for 2015 to have a chance here, the year is quite weak because GameFAQs has stopped playing games.

I mean look at the GotY polls, GameFAQs never took to the game, even when it was popular.
Best Year in Gaming - Today's Winners: 2003 and 2005
Current Bracket Score: 17/18
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Metal_DK 5/11/2017 8:21:12 AM#299
charmander6000 posted...
Regardless, Undertale would have needed to have gone up to something like SotC strength for 2015 to have a chance here, the year is quite weak because GameFAQs has stopped playing games.


This is also a massive factor
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Metal_DK posted...
The fact that the year its in is losing to a mid card year (2005) in the first round shows a lot. Also undertale was super popular for like 3 months on the internet, and pretty much saw an exponential decline in popularity/discussion/purchases. Ya, that screams fad.

2015 didnt need to win the f***ing contest, but if a year contains a game that caused what it did last contest, ya 2015 needed to beat a meh 2005.


Undertale was popular during the Casual Revolution. Now that that era over, it's nothing special.
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