So I guess these 4 years had no game releases at all? The options seem pretty blank to me.
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Pics are working for me now, weren't for a while.

Anyway, feeling a bit better about my 2011>2006 pick. I think depth is really going to matter here. 2006 has its big 4 (Twilight Princess, Oblivion, Okami, Kingdom Hearts 2) but not much beyond that.
I just decided to change this sig.
So yeah.
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Still blank on my phone.
swirIdude 5/3/2017 9:01:15 AM#354
The pics are region-locked to North America for reasons unknown.
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I'm not in North America and they are fine for me, but weren't up earlier. Maybe it's a rolling fix.
I just decided to change this sig.
So yeah.
The updater is back, but it is only tracking the first match.
Best Year in Gaming - Today's Winners: 2006 and 2005
Current Bracket Score: 2/2
CaptainOfCrush posted...
It surprises me as well. I thought 94 would be a strong favorite due to its combination of depth and power. Metroid, FFVI, MMX, and DKC are all games that can bust brackets.

I guess the fact that it doesn't have any of the top three SNES games (1991, 92, and 95 have one apiece) might have scared people away, but hell, it's got four of the top ten.

I also think the days when Super Metroid would get SFF-blasted by the likes of Mario World are over. Respect for SM has only grown over time, and it has seen a bigger resurgence with the rise of speedrunning than almost any other game.


I'm glad someone else brought up the rise of speedrunning; I wasn't sure how to take that into account. That's also the reason why I'm not buying the "SNES would easily win a console contest" line--I don't think anything in the SNES library could stand up to a ticket that has both OoT and SM64 on it.

transience posted...
so do you think Super Metroid is the top game of 94?

I'm open to that argument, just curious


In the greater gaming world, it's quite possible.

On this site, no. Final Fantasy VI still easily takes that honor, and deservedly so.

LeonhartFour posted...
transience posted...
that's debatable, yeah. I think you could even argue Super Metroid over Mario World but I can't imagine anyone actually going all in on that.


it's freakin' MARIO circa 2017...?


Yes, absolutely. Super Mario Maker revived interest in a lot of the classic Mario titles; it's probably the main reason that I took the 1985 > 1987 upset even knowing full well that 1987 has the original Legend of Zelda. Though I'll probably vote for 1987 for exactly that reason.

Sadly, 1990 was given a monster in the first round. SMB3 will be a beast and could probably carry 1990 singlehandedly for a couple rounds with better bracket placement (and 1990 also has the original Final Fantasy to support it), but it's literally against Majora's Mask, FFIX, and Pokémon GSC. ...Which in turn get fed to 1996 in the next round. (Actually, that could be a decent match; it's a shame that it's not a Round 3 match. I think that 1996 and 2000 should both be among the eight strongest. Though I feel like Allen's dropping the ball on the noteworthy games of 1996; I'm not sure if I even know what "Dragon Force" is, and I guess RE1 is noteworthy because it started the franchise but I'm pretty sure that RE2 and RE4 are the highly regarded ones. Where's Kirby Super Star, Allen?)

LeonhartFour posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
ALl people need to see is a Triforce or Link sprite and 1987 will run away with it.


Mario 1 beat Zelda 1 twice in 2009


True that. Yet 1987 was the consensus favorite on the Guru.

It's funny. Normally I'd be thrilled at the idea of Mario > Zelda, but this is the one time that I think I prefer the Zelda game.
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That's also the reason why I'm not buying the "SNES would easily win a console contest" line--I don't think anything in the SNES library could stand up to a ticket that has both OoT and SM64 on it.


https://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/6375-which-nintendo-console-is-your-all-time-favorite
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AxemRedRanger posted...
That's also the reason why I'm not buying the "SNES would easily win a console contest" line--I don't think anything in the SNES library could stand up to a ticket that has both OoT and SM64 on it.


https://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/6375-which-nintendo-console-is-your-all-time-favorite

Thank you for linking to that. That poll has been run multiple times over the years, and the SNES has cruised to the easy win every time. The N64 has a 3-headed monster on top (OoT, SM64, MM), but almst nothing to support it. The supporting cast is comprised chiefly of multiplayer-focused games (Goldeneye, Mario Kart 64, original Smash, Star Fox, Perfect Dark) that were either outdone on subsequent consoles or forgotten over time.

The SNES has a top 10 list that has remained timeless and crushes any other console in its path.

The question for the N64 is whether those three mega-games are enough to take out Sony's best. There is no question for the SNES - it wins.
LeonhartFour 5/3/2017 2:42:02 PM#360
AxemRedRanger posted...
That's also the reason why I'm not buying the "SNES would easily win a console contest" line--I don't think anything in the SNES library could stand up to a ticket that has both OoT and SM64 on it.


https://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/6375-which-nintendo-console-is-your-all-time-favorite


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwPLQ43JVYU
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LeonhartFour posted...
Only 4000 brackets submitted

Yikes


We need a popular contest soon or this thing could die.
To be fair this was barely advertised, even on the front page it was a small thumbnail instead of the usual banner.
Best Year in Gaming - Today's Winners: 2006 and 2005
Current Bracket Score: 2/2
charmander6000 posted...
To be fair this was barely advertised, even on the front page it was a small thumbnail instead of the usual banner.

Unfortunately, this really gives off the impression that SBAllen doesn't at all care about this contest and simply wants to check the box.

Sad theory: he's intentionally sabotaging this contest so he never has to deal with running another one.
LeonhartFour 5/3/2017 2:53:42 PM#365
Yeah, it doesn't feel like Allen even cares about this contest anymore.
Ringworm 5/3/2017 3:34:22 PM#366
Not sure when the ? was added to each option that you can click to see the notable games, but that shows Allen is at least trying. A bit anyway.
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Ringworm posted...
Not sure when the ? was added to each option that you can click to see the notable games, but that shows Allen is at least trying. A bit anyway.


It had to be earlier today, since that wasn't available at the start of today's matches.
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PSI_NESS 5/3/2017 3:47:16 PM#369
Ehh it helps but i'm not sure how many casual voters will actually notice it.
Also it looks like Allan didn't use our recommendations from the sticky topic to add games to the "Notable Games" list.. Even though he asked us.
Seriously how is Dragon Quest VIII Not a notable game from 2005 lol. O and Devil May Cry 3.
Nice job DpObliVion for ranking 4 spots ahead of me and winning the BGE15 Guru Contest!
PSI_NESS posted...
Ehh it helps but i'm not sure how many casual voters will actually notice it.
Also it looks like Allan didn't use our recommendations from the sticky topic to add games to the "Notable Games" list.. Even though he asked us.
Seriously how is Dragon Quest VIII Not a notable game from 2005 lol. O and Devil May Cry 3.


Allen did add some games, but it was an extremely few number of games. He did add FFXV for 2016, so that's a good thing.
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HaRRicH 5/3/2017 3:53:43 PM#371
I'd like to see more games added. As is, they're very similar to the games already pictured.

It's a good move, but a half-measure is borderline-useless. More games would make it better worth the effort it took to add the question marks in the first place.
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I'm glad the question mark is there, it at least give something for people to click on.
Best Year in Gaming - Today's Winners: 2006 and 2005
Current Bracket Score: 2/2
LusterSoldier posted...
PSI_NESS posted...
Ehh it helps but i'm not sure how many casual voters will actually notice it.
Also it looks like Allan didn't use our recommendations from the sticky topic to add games to the "Notable Games" list.. Even though he asked us.
Seriously how is Dragon Quest VIII Not a notable game from 2005 lol. O and Devil May Cry 3.


Allen did add some games, but it was an extremely few number of games. He did add FFXV for 2016, so that's a good thing.


Anyone not living under a rock knows when FFXV came out. People are a little more worried about notable games from, you know, more than a year ago Luster.
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transience posted...
still not as crazy as these

https://i.imgur.com/xMUt3v3.gif
https://i.imgur.com/tdVWGmX.gif

What in the absolute s***f***!?
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Team Rocket Elite 5/3/2017 6:05:09 PM#376
Some people seem to think LoZ came out in 1986 since that's the Japanese release date. Unfortunately for 1986, 1987 shares a match day and corrects the record.
My bracket got smashed by DpObliVion.
Congrats to DpObliVion for winning the BGE15 Guru Contest!
spooky96 5/3/2017 6:26:52 PM#377
Oh good since when were those "?" were up for the entrants?
Congrats DpObliVion for wrecking gurus
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Those ? Mark icons have been there for at least a few hours now. They weren't there at the start of the matches, so they were added earlier today.
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spooky96 5/3/2017 6:34:08 PM#379
Well, all hail Allen even though he didn't respond to the topic, he made a good enough change, I'm good with this.
Congrats DpObliVion for wrecking gurus
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Match V – Round 1 – 1995 vs. 1986

Notable Releases – Adjusted X-Stats (Year)

1995
Games
Full Throttle
Chrono Trigger – 52.12% (2015)
Rayman
Panzer Dragoon

Platforms
Playstation
Sega Saturn
Virtual Boy

1986
Games
Balloon Fight
Bubble Bobble
OutRun
Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar

Platforms
Atari 7800
Sega Master System

Analysis

This is the first match of the main bracket and this could potentially be the largest blowout of the contest. Chrono Trigger is arguably the site’s strongest game, if not it is very close. After that there’s a bit of a drop off where the year is dominated by middle tier Nintendo games; Donkey Kong Country 2, Earthbound and Yoshi’s Island though none of them made the first round picture. One of the larger debates is whether years with a very strong game would dominate years with a weaker, but diverse set of games. 1995 is squarely in the former camp.

Of course that won’t matter much in this match. With Tetris being classified as a 1989 game despite making its North American debut in 1986 the year has a great argument of being the weakest among the 1985-2016 years and a decent chance of being the weakest overall. The year is one of two to not have a game featured in a GameFAQs contest and unlike 1983 there isn’t a game that would finish anywhere near the fodder line.

While I haven’t placed much stock into console releases I feel 1995 can gain the most with the release of the Playstation. While Nintendo consoles tend to have great launches the same can’t be said about the Playstation where its most notable release was probably Twisted Metal. Again it doesn’t matter in this match, but it could in the future. I expect 1995 to win big, but without its Nintendo games it may underperform relative to expectations.

charmander6000’s Bracket: 1995 > 1986

charmander6000’s Prediction: 1995 wins, 87.36% - 12.64%
Best Year in Gaming - Today's Winners: 2006 and 2005
Current Bracket Score: 2/2
Match VI – Round 1 – 1985 vs. 1987

Notable Releases – Adjusted X-Stats (Year)

1985
Games
Excitebike
Super Mario Bros. – 32.09% (2009)
Space Harrier
Duck Hunt – 8.38% (2009)

Platforms
Amiga
NES

1987
Games
Metroid – 14.59% (2009)
The Legend of Zelda – 31.28% (2009)
Castlevania
Mega Man

Platforms
None

Analysis

This is the first match that got a lot of discussion during the bracket making period. This is our first example of a single strong game going up against a more diverse field and whether people will take gaming history into account while voting.

Among the games in this match Super Mario Bros. is seen as the strongest, but after that 1985 doesn’t exactly have much to offer. 1987 meanwhile was the beginning of many well-known series including The Legend of Zelda which didn’t exactly lose by much to Super Mario Bros. In fact if you add the votes from The Legend of Zelda and Metroid in that match they would have finished ahead of Super Mario Bros. Throw in Castlevania and Mega Man which will get votes due to name recognition and it is hard to argue for 1985 by simply adding up the strengths of the games.

One of the most common arguments for 1985 was people would vote for it due to the release of the NES. Sadly it does not look like consoles will be mentioned in this round, but even if it had I’m not sure it would have made a large difference in this particular match. First, a lot of people that would vote for the NES would already vote for Super Mario Bros. and second with so many great NES games in 1987 why would anyone vote for the console when you could vote for the game?

Another argument for 1985 is that it was historically important and I agree, but I’m not sure how much it would help the year. If 1985 does end up winning this match I feel this would be a major reason why, though if it does I’m not sure if that would change the complexion of the bracket, not too many years are remembered for their importance in history.

For my bracket’s sake I feel this won’t be close. Diversity will be very important in this contest. Even the picture doesn’t give 1985 an advantage other than exposing the voter to Super Mario Bros. under the 1985.

charmander6000’s Bracket: 1987 > 1985

charmander6000’s Prediction: 1987 wins, 60.93% - 39.07%
Best Year in Gaming - Today's Winners: 2006 and 2005
Current Bracket Score: 2/2
cyko 5/3/2017 8:56:02 PM#382
This is how you know we aren't very excited about this contest. We are five minutes from one of the Top 5 most discussed matches of the contest and there is nothing in this topic but crickets and tumbleweeds.

And crickets riding tumbleweeds.
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LeonhartFour 5/3/2017 8:57:33 PM#383
hey I'm actually kinda excited

it'll probably be over in five minutes though
Haste_2 5/3/2017 8:57:59 PM#384
1987 has the absolute best mix of games represented possible. If it loses, it has no excuses.
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cyko 5/3/2017 8:59:08 PM#385
Are there no match pics yet? I would love to see an NES in 1985's pic.
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LeonhartFour 5/3/2017 9:00:44 PM#386
LeonhartFour 5/3/2017 9:01:13 PM#387
oh wait nevermind

1985 is coming back now

the board vote is so weird with how bad the vote totals are now

or not

suddenly it's a doubling
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cyko 5/3/2017 9:01:28 PM#388
oof. Poor 1986. This is ugly.
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huh, it was like 22-18 and then 87 went on a 30-2 tear
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SwiftyDC 5/3/2017 9:02:40 PM#390
gg 1985
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LeonhartFour 5/3/2017 9:02:45 PM#391
I imagine a lot of this is bracket voting. I don't think 1987 stays up this high, but who knows. This contest is weird.
cyko 5/3/2017 9:03:07 PM#392
Well, so much for my systems make a difference theory. Ugh. Maybe if they were mentioned - oh, I don't know - ANYWHERE - they would have made a difference.
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Bolto4 5/3/2017 9:03:12 PM#393
Wow 1987 is at almost 70%, this is brutal, didn't think it would start this badly
Blop
yeah I kinda don't trust anything here. but 85 being closer and then fading suggests that 87 might actually improve here
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SwiftyDC 5/3/2017 9:03:43 PM#395
I believe consoles will play a bigger role in later rounds.
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LeonhartFour 5/3/2017 9:03:44 PM#396
cyko posted...
Well, so much for my systems make a difference theory. Ugh. Maybe if they were mentioned - oh, I don't know - ANYWHERE - they would have made a difference.


Well, they're mentioned on the poll if you click on the ? now, but I didn't expect consoles to matter much anyway.
so, uh

95 vs. 87
xyzzy
1987 with a huge blowout in what was originally thought to be a potentially close match. Seems like depth is going to matter more than having a top anchor. 1995 looks bad against the weakest year in the bracket that didn't participate in the Vote-In polls.
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